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    #2222
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    That's not the unbelievable bit. It's the complete disconnect from 'the average person' he thinks is doing well under Trump. And the glossing over the racism and insults. It's utterly removed from reality and written from a position of total privilege.

    American people are afraid of the removal of free speech. There is freedom of speech now if you agree with the left. So ironic given the lengths silicon valley go to avoid paying taxes

    The one good thing that may come from this if Trump does lose is that he may pardon Edward Snowden as he has mentioned it so many times. Did you see what Obama did to him?


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    #2223
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,056 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Does it matter how the information was got. The fact is that the story is been suppressed. So no the story been referred to as "Hunter Bidens laptop" has not been discredited
    Yes, of course it does matter. You can give credence to false material by seeding it with real material. And the false material wasn't even that well falsified. So yes it is discredited. Completely so. It could never be used as evidence in anything because of the very dubious way it came into the public domain and its even more dubious antecedents. And even the stuff that was supposed to be a smoking gun is pretty tame. But those behind it will probably have a case to answer. Hacking is illegal y'know.


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    #2224
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,056 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    American people are afraid of the removal of free speech. There is freedom of speech now if you agree with the left. So ironic given the lengths silicon valley go to avoid paying taxes

    The one good thing that may come from this if Trump does lose is that he may pardon Edward Snowden as he has mentioned it so many times. Did you see what Obama did to him?
    :confused:


    This has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.


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    #2225
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,664 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    That's not the unbelievable bit. It's the complete disconnect from 'the average person' he thinks is doing well under Trump. And the glossing over the racism and insults. It's utterly removed from reality and written from a position of total privilege.

    Wasn’t their economy better under Trump than at anytime under Obama?

    Trump would have walked this election if Covid 19 did not happen.

    Biden will win this and Harris will become the first women president at some point. I like Biden what from I've seen of him.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #2226
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Go Trump
    Keep America Great
    Legend


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    #2227
    the lawman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭the lawman


    The resurgent economy under Trump began in Obamas second term so Trump oversaw it. This is a fact and can be researched in any reputable source.

    The main issues, for me, with Trump is the children he separated from their parents leading to a report last week that they have not been able to reconnect 545 children with their families. For me personally that is as cruel as it gets.

    Another issue is the 250,000 deaths due to covid. Trump knew back in Jan how bad the disease was but decided to downplay it as he knew it was an election year. He didn't care for the health of the people he was responsible for. Cruelty leading to thousands of deaths and broken families.

    Another issue would be the 26 credible sexual assault abuse claims from women he has met in the past.

    Another issue would be the racist dog whistles and rallying calls he makes literally every time he speaks. This kind of behaviour leads to countless kids across the US and no doubt the world to be the subject of racist bullying and cruelty, which is so needless and unnecessary.

    Another issue is his hate and dividing of a nation.

    Jack has every right to vote how he wants as does everyone but to use your voice to tell millions of people to vote for this person is disgusting and shameful. I'm glad I'm not from his generation as I'd be feeling more ****ty today than I already do.

    PS I have no interest in engaging with Trump supporters as usually it ends up in an angry unintelligent mess.

    PPS Dave Grohl said it best.....'Its times like these we learn to love again'. Go Joe.


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    #2228
    xgronkjabv6pcl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭xgronkjabv6pcl


    the lawman wrote: »

    PS I have no interest in engaging with Trump supporters as usually it ends up in an angry unintelligent mess.

    Irrespective of your own personal preference, it's this type of attitude that causes the masses to rally around people like Trump.

    Disenfranchisement has been the driver of increased support for populist candidates globally, most noticeably in the US.

    An unwillingness to engage because it leads to "an angry unintelligent mess" does nothing more than perpetuate the divide.


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    #2229
    the lawman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭the lawman


    Sigh. That’s the only thing you took from what I wrote? You’ve proved my point. I have not once had a sensible discussion with a Trump supporter. It just gets angry and divisive and really unintelligent. I’m just speaking from precedent, maybe not yours but it’s mine.

    So forgive me I am terribly sorry but I have no interest in engaging in that kind of negativity on a public forum.

    Genuinely take care and spread love.


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    #2230
    xgronkjabv6pcl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭xgronkjabv6pcl


    the lawman wrote: »
    Sigh. That’s the only thing you took from what I wrote? You’ve proved my point. I have not once had a sensible discussion with a Trump supporter. It just gets angry and divisive and really unintelligent. I’m just speaking from precedent, maybe not yours but it’s mine.

    So forgive me I am terribly sorry but I have no interest in engaging in that kind of negativity on a public forum.

    Genuinely take care and spread love.

    :pac: I'm a Trump supporter because I highlighted how terrible an attitude this is?:
    the lawman wrote: »
    PS I have no interest in engaging with Trump supporters as usually it ends up in an angry unintelligent mess

    Not that it matters but I'd be far more inclined towards someone like Warren or Sanders who you may know is far more left leaning than Biden.

    Universal healthcare(something Biden opposes), University debt forgiveness(Biden opposes) among others.

    Perhaps you should try respond to what I quoted and why that attitude is advantageous instead of trying to ad hominen.

    There's only person who deserves a sigh in this discussion.


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    #2231
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Mur28 there is no point in arguing with these Team Blue people

    They are like the silly people in America that go one way or other.

    For me in this election is the removal of free speech that is the most disturbing issue

    Biden is a career politician with very little going for him other than it was his turn!!

    PS I pick my beliefs from Team Red and Team Blue. Why do Irish people feel like they must be all in Team Blue like they are supprting Barcelona/Man United etc ect


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    #2232
    the lawman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭the lawman


    My apologies I wasn’t referring to you as a Trump supporter at all.

    Warren or Sanders would never have been able to defeat Trump I’m afraid. It is way too much of a leap of ideology for the average American. Joe is a good choice as he’s quite a conservative Democrat.

    I’ll try respond to your post now and say that I don’t like engaging with discussions with Trump supporters anymore as I’ve never had one that leads anywhere constructive. I find their minds are made up and anything I say is liberal fake news etc etc. I get shouted down and it’s not ideal for anxiety. I’m for humanity and empathy and science so I lean to the left politically. I have learned my lesson to stay away from that debate. It’s that simple and I hope you can understand that it’s a personal choice.

    Apologies for the sigh I respect your opinion.


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    #2233
    xgronkjabv6pcl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭xgronkjabv6pcl


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Mur28 there is no point in arguing with these Team Blue people

    They are like the silly people in America that go one way or other.

    For me in this election is the removal of free speech that is the most disturbing issue

    Biden is a career politician with very little going for him other than it was his turn!!

    PS I pick my beliefs from Team Red and Team Blue. Why do Irish people feel like they must be all in Team Blue like they are supprting Barcelona/Man United etc ect

    If you supporter Trump/Republican politics then that is your own prerogative. I don't agree with those politics but I don't think that means you're an unintelligent mess.

    I would prefer a Democratic agenda than a Republican agenda and I would support various other Democratic candidates more than Biden.

    However given Biden polled the best vs Trump in almost all H2H polling prior to the the primaries, I believed he was the best candidate to run.

    IMO party politics supersedes the candidate hence the pragmatic preference for Biden but the ideological preference for Sanders/Warren.


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    #2234
    the lawman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭the lawman


    Mur28. You have misread what I wrote about unintelligent mess. I was referring to the actual conversation we would have and NOT the person I would be talking to.

    An important point.


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    #2235
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,056 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    For me in this election is the removal of free speech that is the most disturbing issue
    Everybody has freedom of speech. They don't have freedom from the consequences.


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    #2236
    xgronkjabv6pcl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭xgronkjabv6pcl


    the lawman wrote: »
    Mur28. You have misread what I wrote about unintelligent mess. I was referring to the actual conversation we would have and NOT the person I would be talking to.

    An important point.

    As you can see from the timestamp of both our responses, they were <1 min apart.

    I'm sure you can then appreciate that I had effectively published my response to Gypsy79 prior to your next response.

    With all due respect, my assumption that your "unintelligent mess" comment extends from the conversation with a Trump supporter to the Trump supporter themselves is not a particularly large leap in light of your initial response to me.

    Given you noted that I "proved your point" and you have never had "an intelligent conversation with a Trump supporter", you are hardly doing much to refute my assumption in your response.

    Your initial points are fine and largely I agree that Trump's actions/attitude has been abhorrent in certain situations but we know all this.

    However, like I said those that gravitate towards Trump do so in large part because they are marginalised.

    Referring to conversations with people as Unintelligent Messes when you are clearly not referring to your own views-because nobody does that- does not imo lead to healthy discourse.
    It's those attitudes that need to be addressed because they will be what perpetuates the lack of quality engagement between both sides.


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    #2237
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,056 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Mur28 wrote: »
    However, like I said those that gravitate towards Trump do so in large part because they are marginalised.
    The sad fact is that many of them remain marginalised, often even more so because of Trump's policies. Except the racists and bigots of course, they've been mainstreamed.


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    #2238
    xgronkjabv6pcl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭xgronkjabv6pcl


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    The sad fact is that many of them remain marginalised, often even more so because of Trump's policies. Except the racists and bigots of course, they've been mainstreamed.

    That's absolutely true, as I mentioned above, I think a very large proportion of his behaviour/decisions has been abhorrent.

    It is sad to see the likes of Alex Jones and alike being afforded a Joe Rogan size platform but you should remember that the bigots/racists etc do not make up the majority of his supporters.

    That is the reason why when ostensibly well meaning people say things like I referenced in previous posts, I find that incredibly sad because the majority of people can be reached and should not be dismissed because of the racists/bigots that make up a small % of his base.


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    #2239
    lostatsea
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭lostatsea


    I'll find it hard to ever listen to Jack talk on any topic after this instagram post.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CG6OE9pDgf2/


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    #2240
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,438 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    It's hilarious that they paint Democrats as socialist lefties over there though given they've broadly got policies that would fit in as solid centre right compared to most irish and european political parties

    Really shows how far right the Rep party have shifted over the years


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    #2241
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    It's hilarious that they paint Democrats as socialist lefties over there though given they've broadly got policies that would fit in as solid centre right compared to most irish and european political parties

    Really shows how far right the Rep party have shifted over the years

    I dont think it is comparable. The Democrats are way right econoically of anything in Europe

    But some of the left stuff is way left af anything in Europe (children transitioning etc etc).

    So a direct comparison isnt possible


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    #2242
    dan_ep82
    Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Picked up a new Powakaddy trolley I've been paying off over time from the pro I get lessons off. Delighted, brought a Jameson set with me for him because he looks after me a lot.

    Get there and notice theres a bulge on a rear tyre, the €220 19" 275 runflats.Well then.

    Then we open the box to see they sent the FX7 GPS instead of the FX3.
    Says he will get another one in but this is the first time in a while outside of work I have a legitimate reason for being in the area with the lockdown even though I pass it every morning at 6am. As a throwaway comment he offers a discount on it and I can pay the rest over time. Great, better than what I was expecting if €200 more. Even better he said he'll get me credit for my leaking FJ shoes and upgrade me.

    All works out in the end. So I'm on the way home I'm frantically explaining to the missus why the €200 more trolley is better in so many ways when I see blue lights in the mirror. I look down and see 80kph, no problem. Then I remember the speed limits were moved about 300m, I'm still in the new 60kph zone, the 100kmph are 300m away. Then it sinks in I'll be getting my first points in 15years of driving.

    Less of a good/bad sandwich and more of a **** sandwich with some really nice bread. Could be worse, could have no sandwich


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    #2243
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Anyone have any idea how much membership for Hogs Head or Waterville would be? I assume a lot, if its even an option? Looking at new places to live out west for a year, and Waterville came up.


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    #2244
    plumber77
    Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Kiith wrote: »
    Anyone have any idea how much membership for Hogs Head or Waterville would be? I assume a lot, if its even an option? Looking at new places to live out west for a year, and Waterville came up.

    Would you consider Dooks. Might be more accessible.


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    #2245
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Yeah, i'd be happy with any courses down there, but Dooks is around 40 minutes from Waterville (where we saw a house we liked). Bit further then i'd like to have to travel, but would if required.

    Given the green fee's in both of these places, i assume membership isn't feasible for someone like me :P


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    #2246
    plumber77
    Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Kiith wrote: »
    Yeah, i'd be happy with any courses down there, but Dooks is around 40 minutes from Waterville (where we saw a house we liked). Bit further then i'd like to have to travel, but would if required.

    Given the green fee's in both of these places, i assume membership isn't feasible for someone like me :P

    I think Hogs Head is a private members club and Waterville would probably have a waiting list like BallyB. I thought I saw the prices for Dooks membership somewhere and it was quite reasonable for what you get. No harm giving them a ring.


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    #2247
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    i really don't know why we have an off-topic thread on this forum :confused:


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    #2248
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    The director of membership for Hogs Head has a Moroccan phone number, and the person beside them on the contact list is about getting a private plane to transport you there, so it may be a bit beyond my pay grade :P
    Seve OB wrote: »
    i really don't know why we have an off-topic thread on this forum :confused:

    We could use a General Discussion thread tbh, for stupid questions like mine and others that don't need a new thread...then we could keep the off topic thread off topic.


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    #2249
    plumber77
    Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Kiith wrote: »
    The director of membership for Hogs Head has a Moroccan phone number, and the person beside them on the contact list is about getting a private plane to transport you there, so it may be a bit beyond my pay grade :P


    We could use a General Discussion thread tbh, for stupid questions like mine and others that don't need a new thread...then we could keep the off topic thread off topic.
    You can always downsize the house :)


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    #2250
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    plumber77 wrote: »
    You can always downsize the house &#55357;&#56898;

    I'd need a much bigger house to downsize it that much :pac:


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    #2251
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Kiith wrote: »
    Anyone have any idea how much membership for Hogs Head or Waterville would be? I assume a lot, if its even an option? Looking at new places to live out west for a year, and Waterville came up.

    Quoting myself, Hogs Head is private and needs a sponsor, Waterville's membership is closed till March. No idea of the price of either.


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