New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

el Fenomeno · 25-10-2020 10:15pm

Bedtime for me. Absolute garbage all over the field.

ScrubsfanChris · 25-10-2020 11:07pm

At least Stidham looks like he gives a sh*t out there.

paulie21 · 25-10-2020 11:23pm

Not one of them players can hold their head high. Next 6 are Bills Jets Ravens Texans Cardinals and Chargers could see ourselves be 3-9 after that

AbusesToilets · 25-10-2020 11:23pm

Season's done I think. Can't see us getting to the playoffs with this team and schedule. Doubtful Bill uses capital to bring in anyone in this season.

me89 · 26-10-2020 7:07am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Season's done I think. Can't see us getting to the playoffs with this team and schedule. Doubtful Bill uses capital to bring in anyone in this season.

No point in trading for anyone now, I can actually see us doing the opposite and trading Gillmore.

Leroy42 · 26-10-2020 7:54am

Is the problem Cam himself, lack of weapons, or a combination of both?

IMO, Cam has gone backwards the last few years and his early games for NE were a Indian Summer rather than a return to form.

It was a no risk experiment, bit surprising that NE had no plan for a future after Brady though.

dh1985 · 26-10-2020 10:57am

Leroy42 wrote: »

Is the problem Cam himself, lack of weapons, or a combination of both?

IMO, Cam has gone backwards the last few years and his early games for NE were a Indian Summer rather than a return to form.

It was a no risk experiment, bit surprising that NE had no plan for a future after Brady though.

Combination of both I would think. Even brady was begin to struggle with the lack of talent towards the back end of last season.
On your last line, in the Patriots defense tom Brady's dont come around too often. So many teams struggle to find a dependent consistent franchise qb. Look at teams like the browns and Bill's on how many qb,s they have gone through to land on something they can build a winning team with. Hopefully the Patriots wont have to wait so long but the days of been a contender are well and truly over. Both sides of the football the Patriots are an ageing team that are in decline. Need to start rebuilding

el Fenomeno · 26-10-2020 1:25pm

We'll need to draft a QB. The upcoming FA is fairly lacking at QB. Dak is the standout name, but I can't see the Cowboys letting him go even despite the injury.

Apart from that... Trubisky, Rivers, Brissett, McCarron, Dalton, Barkley etc. A whole heap of nothing.

AbusesToilets · 26-10-2020 1:26pm

This season put Brady's performance last year in a better light. +4k yds, 28:4 td/int, one bad defensive series from being 13-3 and 1st Rd bye.

Maybe this year will be the catalyst for a change in offensive drafting. I don't think Bill will do a firesale, but I would be surprised if he spends much to bring in talent.

AbusesToilets · 26-10-2020 1:27pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

We'll need to draft a QB. The upcoming FA is fairly lacking at QB. Dak is the standout name, but I can't see the Cowboys letting him go even despite the injury.

Apart from that... Trubisky, Rivers, Brissett, McCarron, Dalton, Barkley etc. A whole heap of nothing.

Package Gilmore or Thuney to try and move up to get Lawrence? Doubtful the Jets would make that though.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 1:29pm

We'll have a top ten pick, three very talented young QB's in the draft.
If the Jets are first up taking Lawrence, I'd take Darnold off their hands.

el Fenomeno · 26-10-2020 1:39pm

I wonder what competition we have for one of the first round QBs.

Jets - most likely taking Lawrence at 1.

Redskins - certainly in the mix and have a high pick.

Falcons - high pick and looking at life after Matt Ryan probably.

Giants - Maybe? Certainly if Jones continues to turn the ball over. They won't be desperate to trade up but if a QB lands at their spot then....

Jaguars - certainly in the mix, as much of a "personality" as Minshew is, he's just not that good.

I'd also take Darnold if it looks like we're not going to get one of the bigger QB prospects. Has looked good at times in spite of Adam Gase.

AbusesToilets · 26-10-2020 3:48pm

How's the draft look for WRs? Won't matter who the QB is without folks to throw it to. Brutal failure on Bill's part, two of the most loaded draft classes on recent times for WR and we got Harry.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 4:39pm

There's a lot of talent at WR and TE in the 2021 draft class.

ELM327 · 27-10-2020 10:16am

el Fenomeno wrote: »

We'll need to draft a QB. The upcoming FA is fairly lacking at QB. Dak is the standout name, but I can't see the Cowboys letting him go even despite the injury.

Apart from that... Trubisky, Rivers, Brissett, McCarron, Dalton, Barkley etc. A whole heap of nothing.

I wouldnt be drafting a QB.
We need about 3 WRs and TEs to make even a passable - pardon the pun - offense. I'm happy enough with the o line for now.

DBs we have gilmore and not much else. I'd be trading gilmore for draft picks.
We can easily pick up a veteran QB who can run the offense. We saw in the Cassel year, when there was a better offense, a mediocre QB could have a winning season. Id take 10-6 now in a heartbeat!

trebor28 · 27-10-2020 12:39pm

I was looking at the schedule and have it finishing at 9-7. And that's being optimistic on some of the games.

Think covid has had an effect on cam which they're not admitting at the moment.

Is the offence gone stale and predictable? I know the wr and te are bad but they can't be that bad that they can't get open at all.

Harry is looking like a busy though so far.

Not too worried about defence, if the players hadn't opted out the defence would be serious contenders.

ELM327 · 27-10-2020 12:40pm

Harry has potential in spades but he's not realizing it. He's a bust right now.

AbusesToilets · 27-10-2020 12:56pm

The lack of involvement by Keane and Asaisi is frustrating. I know TEs take longer to mature as rookie, but come on. Izzo is poor, being generous. Is there something to be lost by putting them on the field as receiving options if nothing else?

Only positive I'd take from this season so far is that Harris has looked good.

ELM327 · 27-10-2020 1:05pm

Yes. This needs a couple of years of rebuilding.
Look at the colts between manning and luck. We need that much rebuilding. When a once in a generation talent (like TB or Peyton) is allowed leave a team, the implosion is often dire. These upper echelon QBs can often carry crap offense with a good defense.

There's not that many Favre-Rodgers/ Montana-Young around the league.

Shedite27 · 27-10-2020 1:19pm

trebor28 wrote: »

I was looking at the schedule and have it finishing at 9-7. And that's being optimistic on some of the games.

I like you're optimism but I don't see it happening. We've scored 28 points in the past 3 matches combined. You've not going to beat many with that offence. Bar the 2 Jets games, I'd have Pats as underdogs every week

ELM327 · 27-10-2020 1:29pm

I guess this season is going some way to answering the Tom or Bill question. And it's not being answered how I would have expected.

AbusesToilets · 27-10-2020 2:42pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I guess this season is going some way to answering the Tom or Bill question. And it's not being answered how I would have expected.

Yes and no. This season is more a failing of Bill the GM, than Bill the coach.

eagle eye · 27-10-2020 3:08pm

ELM327 wrote:

I guess this season is going some way to answering the Tom or Bill question. And it's not being answered how I would have expected.

Brady joined a head coach whose never had a losing season.

We don't have a QB, that's our main issue. Our offense is a major issue. It was an issue last season too.
Lest you forget, Brady had his worst completion rate since very early in his career last season, he had his joint second least amount of passing touchdowns and threw for less yardage than any other season outside 2016, only 12 games, since 2010. His QBR was his worst since 2006.
Last year our defense won us a lot of games.
We need to invest in our offense big time in next year's draft. QB, WR and TE.

It's actually a good draft for those three positions.

eagle eye · 27-10-2020 3:11pm

I hope they give Stidham a start and a week to prepare for it. I'm not at all sold on him but I'd like to see what he can do with proper preparation.
I never though Brady would become what he did back when he was a rookie. Maybe put Stidham in a game manager role for a game and see how it goes.

Shedite27 · 27-10-2020 4:25pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope they give Stidham a start and a week to prepare for it. I'm not at all sold on him but I'd like to see what he can do with proper preparation.
I never though Brady would become what he did back when he was a rookie. Maybe put Stidham in a game manager role for a game and see how it goes.

Yeah if we're looking for a new QB next year anyway, we might as well give him a month to see what he can do.

ELM327 · 28-10-2020 9:50am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Yes and no. This season is more a failing of Bill the GM, than Bill the coach.

True. It does show how much Brady was carrying the team, along with the notable absences on Defense, in the last couple of years.

eagle eye wrote: »

Brady joined a head coach whose never had a losing season.

We don't have a QB, that's our main issue. Our offense is a major issue. It was an issue last season too.
Lest you forget, Brady had his worst completion rate since very early in his career last season, he had his joint second least amount of passing touchdowns and threw for less yardage than any other season outside 2016, only 12 games, since 2010. His QBR was his worst since 2006.
Last year our defense won us a lot of games.
We need to invest in our offense big time in next year's draft. QB, WR and TE.

It's actually a good draft for those three positions.

Yes, to all the above. I've not been following who's coming out in the draft but that appears to be the consensus. I don't think picking a QB at the top of the draft is a good idea, it;s a lot of capital that would be better placed upgrading the team as a whole. To the point that, if we end up picking in the top 10, I'd trade out of it. We have a lot of holes. Especially on offense. If you add back the covid opt outs our defense isnt that bad. It dominated the first half of last year.

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope they give Stidham a start and a week to prepare for it. I'm not at all sold on him but I'd like to see what he can do with proper preparation.
I never though Brady would become what he did back when he was a rookie. Maybe put Stidham in a game manager role for a game and see how it goes.

If I were Bill and I planned on staying around, I'd publicly commit to Stidham now, give him the rest of the season regardless of if he's throwing pick 6 left right center. Give him time on the field to improve and see what happens. We're not doing anything this year anyway.

trebor28 · 28-10-2020 1:06pm

I wasn't that impressed with what I have seen of Stidham so far.

I was under the impression he was supposed to be a good passer. He should have been a step up in that regard compared to cam.

His throws haven't been that impressive so far, and if he keeps throwing picks then he won't last long.

I'm hoping there will be some sort of trade for wr before the window closes, otherwise there won't be too many wins this season.

How come the Steelers are able to find stud receivers, in what sense like every draft and patriots can't find anything.

BKWDR · 28-10-2020 1:08pm

Will we ever see it again....

AbusesToilets · 28-10-2020 1:15pm

ELM327 wrote: »

True. It does show how much Brady was carrying the team, along with the notable absences on Defense, in the last couple of years.

Yes, to all the above. I've not been following who's coming out in the draft but that appears to be the consensus. I don't think picking a QB at the top of the draft is a good idea, it;s a lot of capital that would be better placed upgrading the team as a whole. To the point that, if we end up picking in the top 10, I'd trade out of it. We have a lot of holes. Especially on offense. If you add back the covid opt outs our defense isnt that bad. It dominated the first half of last year.

If I were Bill and I planned on staying around, I'd publicly commit to Stidham now, give him the rest of the season regardless of if he's throwing pick 6 left right center. Give him time on the field to improve and see what happens. We're not doing anything this year anyway.

Have to disagree on the drafting QB part. Having an elite talent on a rookie deal is the best path to achieving success.

eagle eye · 28-10-2020 1:40pm

I'm wondering if bringing in Cam is an experiment. Look at all the top QB's today, they can all run. Even Rodgers mightn't do it so often anymore but he certainly can run when it's needed.
When you look at next year's draft all the top rated QBs can run.
Personally I really like Trey Lance from North Dakota State, composed in the pocket but has serious wheels when he needs them.
Just another thought, when people look at other teams and what they draft. We've won more than any of them and I don't think you can say we've ever had massive talent at WR outside of Randy Moss. In Belichick's time we've had Troy Brown at the end of his career, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Randy Moss and Julian.
We only drafted one of them in Belichick's time here, Branch, and picked up Julian as an undrafted free agent.
Obviously Gronk was a freak and a great receiver too.
Belichick does things differently but it results in success. If we end up below
.500 this year it'll be our first time in 20 years which is incredible.
It was clear towards the end of last year that we were struggling. Losing the GOAT obviously makes things worse but that is one bad season. Gotta stay calm and see how we rebound.

ELM327 · 28-10-2020 1:45pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Have to disagree on the drafting QB part. Having an elite talent on a rookie deal is the best path to achieving success.

Or even seeing if you have one already in Stidham?
Having elite talent on a rookie deal is absolutely the best path, but giving up the draft capital to get a high first round QB that is a crap shoot on whether they work in the NFL or not is too risky IMO. I'd prefer a few lower picks.

eagle eye · 28-10-2020 1:51pm

ELM327 wrote:

Or even seeing if you have one already in Stidham? Having elite talent on a rookie deal is absolutely the best path, but giving up the draft capital to get a high first round QB that is a crap shoot on whether they work in the NFL or not is too risky IMO. I'd prefer a few lower picks.

I agree we have to see what we have in Stidham.
I'm not so sure about him myself but unless you get named starter and get a couple of weeks as the man you will really never know what a QB is like.

AbusesToilets · 28-10-2020 2:52pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Or even seeing if you have one already in Stidham?
Having elite talent on a rookie deal is absolutely the best path, but giving up the draft capital to get a high first round QB that is a crap shoot on whether they work in the NFL or not is too risky IMO. I'd prefer a few lower picks.

I'd generally agree re the unpredictable nature of the draft, however most of the top ranked QB prospects have proven themselves since coming to the NFL. Rosen and Darnold maybe being the counterpoint, Mayfield to a lesser extent, but they've been stuck on **** teams. Look at Tannehill since he went to the Titans. If the team has a shot Lawrence or one of the others, they should take it. We could've had Lamar after all, fresh off a Heisman victory. Can't be passing up talent like that. QB is just too much of an important position.

el Fenomeno · 28-10-2020 6:20pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I wouldnt be drafting a QB.
We need about 3 WRs and TEs to make even a passable - pardon the pun - offense. I'm happy enough with the o line for now.

I think we'll need a franchise QB rather than a passable veteran if we want to contend for Super Bowls again. I'd rather take a first round QB (provided there's one on the board worth of taking) over a first round WR or TE given our track record of drafting, especially at WR.

The WR free agent class is better than the QB one for sure. I'd like us to make a run at someone like JuJu Smith Schuster or Chris Godwin or Kenny Golloday or Allen Robinson if their teams let them test free agency. I'd say JuJu realistically could hit FA. There's also some players who've really flashed at times that could flourish in the right team - Keelan Cole, Dede Westbrook, Rashard Higgins, Demarcus Robinson - they could be solid WR2s to supplement a big name signing. Also vets like Hilton, Agholor, Watkins etc. will be out there.

A look at recent SB matchups shows that it's generally franchise QBs lining up against each other, and we know what a goldmine it is to get one on a rookie contract. We don't have to necessarily trade up, the likes of Mahomes and Jackson were all available outside the top picks.

el Fenomeno · 28-10-2020 10:03pm

I wonder has he been told that we're trying to sort a trade.

https://twitter.com/tomecurran/status/1321494259250434049?s=19

eagle eye · 29-10-2020 1:54am

Bill said he doesn't know anything about it.
Anyways it's confirmed from good sources that his house is for sale.

We don't know if that means he's bought a nicer pad or if something is in the works.
Last time somebody sold their house he left.
There is a thinking that this is a really good time to sell as there's a lot of question marks is over the combine for college due to covid. The East West Shrine game has already been cancelled and it looks like the senior bowl might follow.
Even college pro days are looking dodgy now.

So it's likely you get a higher price from a proven elite talent as there may be multiple teams interested.

I'm not against it if we get a couple of picks including a first rounder. We are an old team right now, especially on defense with the McCourtys both 33, Chung the same. Gilmore is 30 so if we got a great deal for him I'd take it.
We have Jonathan Jones and JC Jackson who looks top notch and Williams looks like he's ready to go now.

Shedite27 · 29-10-2020 9:29am

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I think we'll need a franchise QB rather than a passable veteran if we want to contend for Super Bowls again. I'd rather take a first round QB (provided there's one on the board worth of taking) over a first round WR or TE given our track record of drafting, especially at WR.

The WR free agent class is better than the QB one for sure. I'd like us to make a run at someone like JuJu Smith Schuster or Chris Godwin or Kenny Golloday or Allen Robinson if their teams let them test free agency. I'd say JuJu realistically could hit FA. There's also some players who've really flashed at times that could flourish in the right team - Keelan Cole, Dede Westbrook, Rashard Higgins, Demarcus Robinson - they could be solid WR2s to supplement a big name signing. Also vets like Hilton, Agholor, Watkins etc. will be out there.

A look at recent SB matchups shows that it's generally franchise QBs lining up against each other, and we know what a goldmine it is to get one on a rookie contract. We don't have to necessarily trade up, the likes of Mahomes and Jackson were all available outside the top picks.

Yeah bringing in veteran QB's only works if the rest of the team is setup to win now. NE are better off rebuilding for a few years now. Hopefully Belichek has the appetite for a rebuilding project before passing it off to someone

ScrubsfanChris · 29-10-2020 8:12pm

Confirmed Edelman had knee surgery and will be "out for some time"

eagle eye · 29-10-2020 11:18pm

Jeez we really are in bad shape now.

Was just thinking back a couple of years ago when we had the two hollister brothers as udfa's and they both looked great in preseason but we didn't keep either if them. You see Jacob in Seattle now catching a couple of passes, looks better than any of our TE's as a pass catcher and I seen Cody catching a pass for the Titans a week or two ago.
I'd live to have both of them now.

el Fenomeno · 01-11-2020 5:17pm

5 WRs active today - all undrafted free agents.

AbusesToilets · 01-11-2020 7:37pm

Astounded that the Bills are struggling so much here. What was that call at the end? We should've QB sneaked for the 1st, then done a quick spike. Given us 2 shots into the end zone.

AbusesToilets · 01-11-2020 7:56pm

Cam is done. I'd bench him for Stidham going forward. Maybe try to trade Cam to Dallas, get a pick for him.

paulie21 · 01-11-2020 7:58pm

Good to see Uche making plays

eagle eye · 01-11-2020 8:04pm

el Fenomeno wrote:

5 WRs active today - all undrafted free agents.

And don't forget that Julian was also a udfa.

paulie21 · 01-11-2020 8:05pm

We have a tied ball game

ScrubsfanChris · 01-11-2020 8:06pm

It's a TD!
Break out the champagne

paulie21 · 01-11-2020 8:08pm

Ugh needless onside kick sets them up at midfield

el Fenomeno · 01-11-2020 8:21pm

eagle eye wrote: »

And don't forget that Julian was also a udfa.

No he wasnt. He was drafted.

ScrubsfanChris · 01-11-2020 8:26pm

That was, dare I say it, a good drive.

eagle eye · 01-11-2020 8:52pm

That should be Cam's last snap for a couple of weeks at least. .

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