EU to recommend abolishing DST

The status quo should continue. Long summer evenings are great, not sure its worth it to have it dark after 9am for most of the month of January though.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yup, the system as it is now is the best compromise.

A better compromise would be to change the clocks by 30 minutes.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And only once a year.

Change it once and never change again. Splitting the difference of the current system.

My twice yearly contribution.

My opinion has not changed.

Our geographic location makes clock changes the best option.

All year summer time means that it will be dark until close on 9.45am in the dead of winter.
People who work outdoors will be starting work in the dark.
Children being driven and walking to school will be doing so in the dark.
In the evening any idea of doing things in extra daylight will come to nothing when people realize that it will still be dark at 5.30 and the weather will suck anyway
There is zero upside to all year summer time in Ireland.

All year winter time will mean that it will get darker an hour earlier at night during the summer which will suck, and it will be bright at 3am, which is of no use to anyone.

In winter morning daylight is more valuable, in summer evening daylight is more valuable.

So in reality changing clocks is the best option.

Ideally the clocks would change in mid November and back again in late January.
That would mean none of the really dark winter mornings and making use of the extending daylight early in the new year.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

My twice yearly contribution.

My opinion has not changed.

Our geographic location makes clock changes the best option.

All year summer time means that it will be dark until close on 9.45am in the dead of winter.
People who work outdoors will be starting work in the dark.
Children being driven and walking to school will be doing so in the dark.
In the evening any idea of doing things in extra daylight will come to nothing when people realize that it will still be dark at 5.30 and the weather will suck anyway
There is zero upside to all year summer time in Ireland.

All year winter time will mean that it will get darker an hour earlier at night during the summer which will suck, and it will be bright at 3am, which is of no use to anyone.

In winter morning daylight is more valuable, in summer evening daylight is more valuable.

So in reality changing clocks is the best option.

Ideally the clocks would change in mid November and back again in late January.
That would mean none of the really dark winter mornings and making use of the extending daylight early in the new year.

This is it in a nutshell, anything else fails to address the downside of either fixed timezone. Everybody ends up choosing the solution that fits their life, with little regard for the others who will be feel the downside of any change.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

My twice yearly contribution.

My opinion has not changed.

Our geographic location makes clock changes the best option.

All year summer time means that it will be dark until close on 9.45am in the dead of winter.
People who work outdoors will be starting work in the dark.
Children being driven and walking to school will be doing so in the dark.
In the evening any idea of doing things in extra daylight will come to nothing when people realize that it will still be dark at 5.30 and the weather will suck anyway
There is zero upside to all year summer time in Ireland.

All year winter time will mean that it will get darker an hour earlier at night during the summer which will suck, and it will be bright at 3am, which is of no use to anyone.

In winter morning daylight is more valuable, in summer evening daylight is more valuable.

So in reality changing clocks is the best option.

Ideally the clocks would change in mid November and back again in late January.
That would mean none of the really dark winter mornings and making use of the extending daylight early in the new year.

Agree100%

RobertKK wrote: »

The EU had a public survey open to all EU citizens on this.

The survey showed EU citizens wanted to end the twice yearly changing of clocks and 80% wanted summer time all year round.

So the Commission was acting on what their survey showed the people wanted.
I took this survey and voted to end clock changing and also went with summer time all year round.

The EU does regularly have surveys asking what people want.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/summertime/news/2018-08-31-consultation-outcome_en

Democracy? What a joke.

Would definitely vote for summertime, nice long warm days all year round, who wouldn’t like that?

Not switching the clocks back to summertime until the end of March is crazy - at least a month too late.

I was previously in favour of year round summertime - and I'd still prefer more light in the evening rather than the morning, given the choice - but this will increase the number of mornings where it's too frosty to ride my motorbike into work

We should probably go into wintertime a few weeks later. We should definitely leave it a few weeks earlier. It's like having a tonne weight lifted off your shoulders when the clocks finally go forward.

I was just looking at sunset and sunrise times, day length today in the midlands is about 9 hour 55 minutes and sunrise is 7:15 DST. We will have that day length again by mid February but sunrise will be 7:45 then. If we had summertime in mid February it woudn't be great for many having the sun rising at 8:45 - but a least things would be improving and there would be a "grand stretch in the mornings"?

I don't know what the solution is. Relative to our expectations, we just don't get enough light at this latitude during the winter and have more than we need in summer. I wonder does the weather and our day length contribute to a boom/bust mentality in Irish society. Things are grand (if not great) or they're sh*t. Yet, there are much bigger extremes in the more northern latitudes, how do they manage in Scandinavia. Is it a case that things in Ireland are bad enough to affect us but not bad enough that we are forced to adapt.

Would we be willing to make major changes to how we work and live. As I said in the other threads, work from home and avoiding commuting would make a huge difference for many people. For schools, maybe could reduce the length of the school day during winter and make up for it by shortening the summer holidays and/or having longer school days In April, May, September.

I think the best thing to do in the Winter would be to put the clocks back at midnight and then put them forward again at midday, and do this every day. That way you get the extra hour of daylight in the morning and the extra hour in the evening. It would probably mess up many an appointment, though.

If it comes down to summer time or winter I’ll pick summer but the ideal situation would be change to winter time on the 1st Saturday in December and back to summer on the first Saturday in February. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for 5 months of it.

But one thing we shouldn’t do is stick with whatever the uk do. They certainly wouldn’t give an ounce of consideration to us in any decision they will ever have to make and so we shouldn’t consider them either regardless of NI. I’d say if we were to stick on one time be it winter or summer, there’s more chance of NI aligning with us than the uk who being honest couldn’t give a rats ass about them.

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Think it's upto each country to decide, when Leo was the leader he said he'd follow the UK with whatever they decided.

That’s the thing. Nicola Sturgeon might decide the strike a blow for independents and do the opposite to England