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  • #2
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    At 2pm today there will be a Facebook live Q&A from parkrun about the proposed return next month for England:
    Facebook
    �� facebook.com/parkrunUK
    YouTube
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    youtube.com/c/parkrunglobal

    Will see if I can manage to tune in and see what they have to say for themselves.


  • #3
    robinph
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    They have been mentioning the surveying of parkrunners over the last several months and how from that survey, and how the responses change in different areas over time. Just had the survey through myself for the first time.

    Nothing particularly tricky or any detailed responses required, just a bunch of click boxes, but assuming they have been sending that same set of questions out all the way through I can see how they could get genuinely useful data from what seems like a bunch of relatively undetailed questions. They survey also isn't being handled by parkrun so that should hopefully take some of the bias out of the results as well.


  • #4
    GalwayGrrrrrl
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    Haven’t watched the whole Q&A yet but it looks as if parkrun in England won’t be coming back in October. They skirted around giving a date but hinted heavily that it will probably be postponed due to the stricter lockdown rules coming into force in England last week. Even if they are exempt from the new rules the increase in cases and increased public anxiety means the start will be delayed.


  • #5
    rainbow kirby
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 26,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Honestly, while there are some areas where it might have been ok, the NW is already on its knees with the virus. We're over 100 cases per 100k in the last 7 days in Manchester :eek:


  • #6
    Nidot
    Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭Nidot


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Honestly, while there are some areas where it might have been ok, the NW is already on its knees with the virus. We're over 100 cases per 100k in the last 7 days in Manchester :eek:

    Thats pretty much the rate here in Dublin aswell, no chance it's coming back in Ireland any time soon.


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  • #7
    robinph
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    parkrun to return in Poland from the 17th October.

    https://blog.parkrun.com/pl/2020/09/22/parkrun-powraca-w-polsce-w-sobote-17-pazdziernika/


  • #8
    average_runner
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    robinph wrote: »
    parkrun to return in Poland from the 17th October.

    https://blog.parkrun.com/pl/2020/09/22/parkrun-powraca-w-polsce-w-sobote-17-pazdziernika/

    No.social distancing there either


  • #9
    robinph
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    parkrun Japan is due to return at the end of October:

    https://twitter.com/parkrunJP/status/1312007936315711490?s=19


  • #10
    MY BAD
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    Parkrun is back in Tasmania today


  • #11
    GalwayGrrrrrl
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    robinph wrote: »
    parkrun to return in Poland from the 17th October.

    https://blog.parkrun.com/pl/2020/09/22/parkrun-powraca-w-polsce-w-sobote-17-pazdziernika/

    parkrun Poland not restarting today due to a sudden increase in Covid cases (source - Tom Williams parkrun COO on yesterday’s parkrun Q & A YouTube).

    Glad to see Tasmania restarting. A glimmer of hope in a fairly gloomy outlook otherwise.


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  • #12
    opus
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    robinph wrote: »
    parkrun Japan is due to return at the end of October:

    https://twitter.com/parkrunJP/status/1312007936315711490?s=19

    That's one of the great thing about parkrun, I know that guy from Ballincollig parkrun before he moved home to Japan!


  • #13
    Dental Floss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭Dental Floss


    Any sign at all of parkrun coming back anytime soon. I'm really missing it, then I see groups doing it on saturday morning anyway.


  • #14
    Seannew1
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    Dental Floss wrote: »
    Any sign at all of parkrun coming back anytime soon. I'm really missing it, then I see groups doing it on saturday morning anyway.

    Missing it sorely myself. I fear it's a long way away. They started putting plans in place for a return (in UK anyway) for late October, however, this coincided with community transmission of virus going out of control so no hope of re-opening it. To answer your question, who knows. Parkrun will certainly err on the side of caution. I did one road race recently. Race organisers put on a superb race with great protocols , for example, social distancing at start and ushering people off at end and capping numbers in line with public guidance. However, parkrun would never be able to pull off such logistics every Saturday morning I feel.


  • #15
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Events in Australia starting up in the next few weeks.

    Hard to see all events surviving in Ireland as core volunteers lose interest


  • #16
    Wottle
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Events in Australia starting up in the next few weeks.

    Hard to see all events surviving in Ireland as core volunteers lose interest

    The core volunteers are a different breed, I can see them coming back for sure.
    I can't wait for parkrun return, missing it.


  • #17
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Wottle wrote: »
    The core volunteers are a different breed, I can see them coming back for sure.
    I can't wait for parkrun return, missing it.

    There were some locations where they had planned to restart but governments have imposed conditions that park run can’t possibly comply with


  • #18
    Pawwed Rig
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    There elate some locations where they had planned to restart but governments have imposed conditions that park run can’t possibly comply with

    But that wouldn't be because the core team had lost interest which was the point.


  • #19
    robinph
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    They were also due to restart in Poland this weekend, but cancelled that on Friday. The government restrictions would have still allowed it, but get the impression that it was a close call and they figured best to hold off a bit longer yet.

    Should still get some northern hemisphere events in a couple of weeks with Isle of Mann and Guernsey restarting.

    For any of the other events in Europe it still needs that countries football stadiums to be at 50% capacity + before I think we'll see anything happen. I'd still be perfectly happy with going to most parkrun events right now, except for a couple of very, very busy events that have very, very small start areas...and then mostly due to not being able to keep track of a 5 year old in the mele more than anything else.

    It's all down to public perception rather than virus risk, and that's why football (or whatever the local flavour of stadium sport is) needs to return first to keep the non sporting populations attention diverted.


  • #20
    average_runner
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    robinph wrote: »
    They were also due to restart in Poland this weekend, but cancelled that on Friday. The government restrictions would have still allowed it, but get the impression that it was a close call and they figured best to hold off a bit longer yet.

    Should still get some northern hemisphere events in a couple of weeks with Isle of Mann and Guernsey restarting.

    For any of the other events in Europe it still needs that countries football stadiums to be at 50% capacity + before I think we'll see anything happen. I'd still be perfectly happy with going to most parkrun events right now, except for a couple of very, very busy events that have very, very small start areas...and then mostly due to not being able to keep track of a 5 year old in the mele more than anything else.

    It's all down to public perception rather than virus risk, and that's why football (or whatever the local flavour of stadium sport is) needs to return first to keep the non sporting populations attention diverted.




    I say maybe Summer in Ireland. Poland doesn't really have contact tracing at the moment either. This is where the problem will be here, no contact tracing no event, at least till the summer


  • #21
    robinph
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    average_runner wrote: »
    I say maybe Summer in Ireland. Poland doesn't really have contact tracing at the moment either. This is where the problem will be here, no contact tracing no event, at least till the summer

    Would you see football/ GAA/ rugby stadiums still being closed until next summer as well?


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  • #22
    average_runner
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    robinph wrote: »
    Would you see football/ GAA/ rugby stadiums still being closed until next summer as well?




    Mainly yeah. UK are more likely to take risks and I can't see soccer stadiums opening till at least March if lucky.


    Any stadium that opens here, will be at 25% capacity and there will be a procedure in place for contact tracing there also.


  • #23
    robinph
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Mainly yeah. UK are more likely to take risks and I can't see soccer stadiums opening till at least March if lucky.


    Any stadium that opens here, will be at 25% capacity and there will be a procedure in place for contact tracing there also.

    If you have several thousand people in a stadium for 90 minutes, plus a bit of mingling at half time when they go for a wee, then I don't see any reason why a couple of hundred couldn't meet for a couple of minutes in a park before they go for a run/ walk though.

    I've always thought it needed football back first before parkrun. The UK government responded to a petition about allowing football back today and basically said the trials were stopped at the beginning of October not because of any risk, just because it wouldn't feel right whilst trying to get people to not socialise at home.

    I'd expect there to be significant pressure from football clubs again the moment the numbers start falling in hospitalisations again. Can't see them keeping stadiums closed until March.


  • #24
    average_runner
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    robinph wrote: »
    If you have several thousand people in a stadium for 90 minutes, plus a bit of mingling at half time when they go for a wee, then I don't see any reason why a couple of hundred couldn't meet for a couple of minutes in a park before they go for a run/ walk though.

    I've always thought it needed football back first before parkrun. The UK government responded to a petition about allowing football back today and basically said the trials were stopped at the beginning of October not because of any risk, just because it wouldn't feel right whilst trying to get people to not socialise at home.

    I'd expect there to be significant pressure from football clubs again the moment the numbers start falling in hospitalisations again. Can't see them keeping stadiums closed until March.




    But Irish government is very cautious, so they will enforce contact tracing for at least another 6 months.


    Not ideal, very frustrating for all


  • #25
    Annie get your Run
    Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Events in Australia starting up in the next few weeks.

    Hard to see all events surviving in Ireland as core volunteers lose interest

    Have to disagree, core vols will be all over parkrun as soon as we get the go ahead. I don't see the larger population losing interest either. People are probably not talking about it as much as they were in the beginning but once it's safe to do so, I think parkrun will be back with a bang. The issue in the interim is how the staff in the UK can keep operating until then as is quite likely it could be the summer before things are back.


  • #26
    ger664
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    average_runner wrote: »
    But Irish government is very cautious, so they will enforce contact tracing for at least another 6 months.


    Not ideal, very frustrating for all

    They are cautious because they have not giving sufficient resources to Contact tracing, testing and increase in Hospital/Treatment capacity to deal with the pandemic.

    Dont see that changing anytime soon.


  • #27
    Burkie1203
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    ger664 wrote: »
    They are cautious because they have not giving sufficient resources to Contact tracing, testing and increase in Hospital/Treatment capacity to deal with the pandemic.

    Dont see that changing anytime soon.

    Contact tracing is not the issue.

    23000 calls last week, almost 80000 so far in October. How many of those people are self isolating properly? Contact tracing could have 50000 people and unless those they contact take it seriously it's pointless.

    Look at Ratoath. 1200/100000 incidence rate just 3 weeks after they had massive parties after a GAA county final win. Several other GAA related situations the same. And I know one person in a different situation who was told to self isolate after a communion party but he didn't bother.

    50% of those who get a test after they are identified as close contacts fail to turn up for the 2nd test a week later. I would guess that's because they haven't bothered to self isolate.


  • #28
    robinph
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    So junior parkrun is now penciled in to return on the 11th April in England, but only for ages 4-10, and 5km parkrun's in England on 5th June.

    :D:D:D

    Hopefully everything keeps going in the same direction and these dates don't have to be pushed back.


  • #29
    Duzzie
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    robinph wrote: »
    So junior parkrun is now penciled in to return on the 11th April in England, but only for ages 4-10, and 5km parkrun's in England on 5th June.

    :D:D:D

    Hopefully everything keeps going in the same direction and these dates don't have to be pushed back.
    5th of June is a long way off. If we've learned anything from the past year it is that planning too far ahead is a dangerous game. Also if it resumes in England but not in Scotland and Wales, many from those areas are likely to travel to England for their parkrun fix. Not an ideal situation.


  • #30
    robinph
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    Duzzie wrote: »
    5th of June is a long way off. If we've learned anything from the past year it is that planning too far ahead is a dangerous game. Also if it resumes in England but not in Scotland and Wales, many from those areas are likely to travel to England for their parkrun fix. Not an ideal situation.

    It's all based on the relaxation of restrictions in England and only happens once national changes happen, so just laying out what can potentially happen and when.

    Not overly concerned about tourism. It is a really small number of people who have even ever gone to anything but their home event. Also there are not many massive population centres near the borders, except along the M4 where I am, and in those points there are loads of parkrun's on the English side that any tourists wouldn't make a difference.

    Doubt there will be much difference between the nations lifting of restrictions when they get round to announcing their plans. Most of the difference in rules so far has been one nation saying that the time is quarter to three, another saying that its 2:45 and the other saying 14:45. They are all working from the same information and involved in the same UK wide meetings on covid being given the same advice from the same level of medical specialists. All amounts to changing the font on the documents.
    :)


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  • #31
    Pawwed Rig
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    UK are way ahead of us on vaccinations so the dates should be achievable for them


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