Why is it now called HOLLO-een?

Day Lewin · 20-10-2020 12:00AM #1

Isn't it Hallowe'en?

All HALLOWS Eve?

Not Hollow like Hollow Tree.
This riles me.

Oh, and so does calling the capital of France "Porris"

Like Porridge.

Celebrate HAL-loween in PARis, my friends: not Hollow een in Poris.

There, I said it!

Potential-Monke · 20-10-2020 12:16AM

Who da fuk do you be talking to that pronounces it like that?

Captain Red Beard · 20-10-2020 12:19AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Isn't it Hallowe'en?

All HALLOWS Eve?

Not Hollow like Hollow Tree.
This riles me.

Oh, and so does calling the capital of France "Porris"

Like Porridge.

Celebrate HAL-loween in PARis, my friends: not Hollow een in Poris.

There, I said it!

Americanised English from watching too much tv. Maybe.

Man with broke phone · 20-10-2020 12:23AM

Because you cut the inside out of the pumkin. Jesus do primary teachers teach anything anymore?

Lewis_Benson · 20-10-2020 07:57AM

Because people in Ireland are stupid.

Badly Drunk Boy · 20-10-2020 08:05AM

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Americanised English from watching too much tv. Maybe.

I don't think so. I've heard news reporters using it in relation to Covid (and how it would affect Halloween), and these people would be in their 40s/50s. A certain media type, usually from Dublin.

whisky_galore · 20-10-2020 08:08AM

D4 and Dublin media type affectation.

Badly Drunk Boy · 20-10-2020 08:08AM

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Because you cut the inside out of the pumkin. Jesus do primary teachers teach anything anymore?

With the original Halloween in Ireland, they carved out turnips. It took real character to carve out a turnip, as opposed to a poncy pumpkin.

Day Lewin · 20-10-2020 08:08AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think so. I've heard news reporters using it in relation to Covid (and how it would affect Halloween), and these people would be in their 40s/50s. A certain media type, usually from Dublin.

Yes, often on the radio, from those who should know better.

A pursemouth flutey accent, very Ross OCarroll-Kelly, very Dort.

I really detest that accent, hence my rant. I could go on! But HOLLOW-een annoys me even more than then the rest of it

Local Area Man · 20-10-2020 08:12AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Yes, often on the radio, from those who should know better.

A pursemouth flutey accent, very Ross OCarroll-Kelly, very Dort.

I really detest that accent, hence my rant. I could go on! But HOLLOW-een annoys me even more than then the rest of it

I particularly dislike how these types pronounce "Covid".

Is it the people afflicted by the accent or the manufactured nature of it. Maybe both. I literally turn off the TV or radio as soon as it hear it.

Tzardine · 20-10-2020 08:19AM

I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em.

EmmetSpiceland · 20-10-2020 08:35AM

Local Area Man wrote: »

I particularly dislike how these types pronounce "Covid".

Is it the people afflicted by the accent or the manufactured nature of it. Maybe both. I literally turn off the TV or radio as soon as it hear it.

I, certainly, prefer it to that “Co-vit” you hear from the country folk interviewed.

Would definitely be in the ‘Holloween’ pronunciation camp here, must be a Dublin thing. I’d say the ones who go for the ‘HALLoween’ pronunciation are the same ones that pronounce the l in ‘salmon’.

Badly Drunk Boy · 20-10-2020 08:43AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Would definitely be in the ‘Holloween’ pronunciation camp here, must be a Dublin thing. I’d say the ones who go for the ‘HALLoween’ pronunciation are the same ones that pronounce the l in ‘salmon’.

Okay, so you admit you pronounce 'Halloween' incorrectly. And I've never heard anyone pronounce the 'L' in 'salmon', be they rural or "urban". Are you thinking of Salman Rushdie?

Pkiernan · 20-10-2020 08:46AM

Dole scroungers dont have adequate pronunciation skills

Kylta · 20-10-2020 08:55AM

It just validated my theory that we're about to indulge in a civil war between the Hallow people and Hollo peoples of this fine country. At this stage the EU should warn of the Hello people from interfering on anyside of the conflict.

Eduard Khil · 20-10-2020 08:59AM

I ain't no Hollo-een girl no I ain't no Hollo-een girl

Peregrinus · 20-10-2020 09:01AM

Hallowe'en -> Hollowe'en is the same vowel shift that we see in party -> porty, Dart -> Dort. Linguists have noted it for about 20 years now - it's very Celtic Tiger, really - but , like a lot of fashions in accents, it may not last.

Wibbs · 20-10-2020 09:27AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Hallowe'en -> Hollowe'en is the same vowel shift that we see in party -> porty, Dart -> Dort. Linguists have noted it for about 20 years now - it's very Celtic Tiger, really - but , like a lot of fashions in accents, it may not last.

Might explain the A to O "mom" thing too. And before the "that's Irish", it may have been in some areas of Cork or wherever, it certainly wasn't in somewhere like Dublin.

EmmetSpiceland · 20-10-2020 09:29AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Okay, so you admit you pronounce 'Halloween' incorrectly. And I've never heard anyone pronounce the 'L' in 'salmon', be they rural or "urban". Are you thinking of Salman Rushdie?

I don’t see it as incorrect, though. I had a teacher in school who pronounced book as ‘bewk’, same went for cook. Was he pronouncing then incorrectly?

I’m sure there are allowances under these “rules” to allow for colloquialism. I know people who’d pronounce Galway as ‘Gawl-way’ and others who’d say ‘GAL-way’.

I, personally, would never “correct” a country person who says ‘wan’ for one, using singular for plurals like ‘5 mile’ or when they say ‘fehickel’ for vehicle. I just put it down to the country education.

You lot are going to “lose it” when you hear how Worcestershire sauce is pronounced.

smellyoldboot · 20-10-2020 09:32AM

Twas always Samhain before the good old catholic church tried to commandeer it and then we brought it to America and turned it gradually into its current mutant form.

Peregrinus · 20-10-2020 09:36AM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Twas always Samhain before the good old catholic church tried to commandeer it and then we brought it to America and turned it gradually into its current mutant form.

It was Samhain for a long time after the arrival of Catholicism; it was the English who gave us "Hallowe'en", not the Catholics.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-10-2020 09:38AM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Who da fuk do you be talking to that pronounces it like that?

Eh, prretty much everyone...?

It;s always been halloween.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-10-2020 09:40AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

With the original Halloween in Ireland, they carved out turnips. It took real character to carve out a turnip, as opposed to a poncy pumpkin.

Nah, pulpkins are just more practical. Concistent shape, larger surface area.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-10-2020 09:41AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

It was Samhain for a long time after the arrival of Catholicism; it was the English who gave us "Hallowe'en", not the Catholics.

It was the pagans that gave is Samhain, no?

Badly Drunk Boy · 20-10-2020 09:50AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

You lot are going to “lose it” when you hear how Worcestershire sauce is pronounced.

You "should" hear how my friend St. John Featherstonhaugh from Loughborough pronounces it!

Tzardine · 20-10-2020 09:56AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

You "should" hear how my friend St. John Featherstonhaugh from Loughborough pronounces it!

Reminds me of a bit from James Acaster on "Looga Barooga" during his netflix special. Its worth watching.

A different clip from it.

Peregrinus · 20-10-2020 12:32PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It was the pagans that gave is Samhain, no?

Yes. But it continued to be Samhain after Christianisation. It was anglicisation that turned it into "Hallowe'en", not Christianisation.

Don't blame the Catholics; blame the Brits!

gourcuff · 20-10-2020 12:50PM

its definitely Halloween, maybe some nauseating made in chelsea rejects call it hollo-een.. aspirational wannabe home counties irish people i imagine

20-10-2020 03:02PM

I hate how Lidl is pronounced "Leeedle" by some people (such as Mr. Dempsey off da telly).

It's Lidl - like 'Little' but with a 'D'.

Stop trying to posh it up - it's a German discount supermarket and there's nothing wrong with it.

20-10-2020 04:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate how Lidl is pronounced "Leeedle" by some people (such as Mr. Dempsey off da telly).

It's Lidl - like 'Little' but with a 'D'.

Stop trying to posh it up - it's a German discount supermarket and there's nothing wrong with it.

But the name actually is Leeedle.. it's a German name

whisky_galore · 20-10-2020 05:09PM

riffmongous wrote: »

But the name actually is Leeedle.. it's a German name

Liddle'ses.

Some people here pronounce it as if they were Gollum from LOTR.

Why is it now called HOLLO-een?

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