COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Gael23 · 14-10-2020 10:22PM

hmmm wrote: »

This confidence is new. I've never heard him use dates like that before.

He might not know how the phase 3 trials will go, but he definitely knows the manufacturing capability.

Can Europeans expect to be on a similar timeliness Americans whatever that turns out to be?

tobefrank321 · 14-10-2020 10:27PM

It feels like November will be a massive month for the vaccine.

patnor1011 · 14-10-2020 10:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

After Gates retired, and to atone for Windows Clippy, he decided that if he was going into philanthropy as a multi-billionaire he should tackle some of the really big problems. Healthcare in poor countries is one of those problems. Similar to Carnegie building libraries all over the world, despite making his fortune in steel.

I think if I had 50 billion I'd do the same.

So after spending 10 years working on issues like vaccines and preventative healthcare, spending billions on research and employing some of the best scientists in the world, Gates can be called a "medical expert". It's just a pity the Internet has facilitated the efforts of a small (but vocal) group of anti-vaccine activists who want us to go back to leeches and witchdoctors to cure disease instead of science.

I have to disagree. He cant be called medical expert just because he has people working for him in that field. Absolute nonsense.

Secondly what he does is not philantrophy. If it was philantrophy he would not hold financial interest in companies he donate his money to.
Where this rich guy obsession come from?
He just found and exploited loophole where he "donate" money he would otherwise had to pay as taxes to the companies he has a financial interest in.
Not to make world a better place but simply to make more.

patnor1011 · 14-10-2020 10:33PM

Sconsey wrote: »

No it's not because of his investments in pharma, if any. It's because of his philantropic activity and the foundation he set up with his wife. He is pumping most of his own wealth into areas like malaria treatments and prevention, including vaccine research (more for TB than malaria). Morons on Facebook have decided to villify him because they can't get their small brains around the fact that he is trying to help the less well off, it scares them. This moronic idea has been picked up by other hate groups who promote mis-information.

He has become a public health expert through his research. He is not qualified but his insights on global health issues, through the work of his foundation, are still valuable. This did not happen all of a sudden.

The comparison to Roman Abramovich makes no sense to me.

Not if any but a lot.
https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/

hmmm · 14-10-2020 10:39PM

Could this Bill Gates bull**** be taken somewhere else?

patnor1011 · 14-10-2020 10:51PM

JDD wrote: »

I don't see why my tax money should pay for treatment of someone who has refused to take the vaccine for no valid medical reason, and can afford to pay for the treatment themselves.

Maybe because their tax money can pay for that treatment.

patnor1011 · 14-10-2020 10:54PM

hmmm wrote: »

Could this Bill Gates bull**** be taken somewhere else?

It can but you just called him a "medical expert".
He is heavily into vaccines.
So, why?

is_that_so · 14-10-2020 10:57PM

Not vaccines but an interesting development for the treatment of COVID patients in hospital. Still small sample numbers.

Scientists have developed for the first time a scoring system that can accurately predict which hospitalised patients will develop a severe form of coronavirus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/new-blood-test-predicts-which-covid-19-patients-will-develop-severe-infection-1.4380968

marno21 · 14-10-2020 10:59PM

We are never getting a silver bullet for covid-19, but we will get through it with hundreds of jigsaw pieces that will make up a solution. This is one of those and will be very useful in predicting hospital and care requirements in advance. Fair play to all involved.

moonage · 15-10-2020 03:18AM

hmmm wrote: »

If enough healthy people take the vaccine, we won't even need to give the vaccine to people with less healthy immune systems. That's why combatting the misinformation and lies from the anti-vax group is so important, and why those on the fence need to be told to get down off the fence and do their bit for society.

Most healthy people won't take a vaccine for a virus that is harmless to them. The natural immunity from getting the virus is preferable to that from any vaccine, especially a rushed and potentially dodgy one.

If the vaxx zealots demand mandatory vaccination and get their way, it'll be a sorry day.

patnor1011 · 15-10-2020 05:42AM

hmmm wrote: »

If enough healthy people take the vaccine, we won't even need to give the vaccine to people with less healthy immune systems.

That approach works for some other vaccines. Not for covid vaccines in development as we all know they are not capable to stop infection but to lessen its impact when infected. Therefore this argument is make-believe misinformation or plain lie.

hmmm wrote: »

That's why combatting the misinformation and lies from the anti-vax group is so important, and why those on the fence need to be told to get down off the fence and do their bit for society.

See above. What you claimed is misinformation at this stage, even most vocal self-proclaimed vaccine medical expert who shall not be named said we need to wait for second generation vaccines several years possibly lifetime.
You literaly spread misinformation when you claim that it is enough when enough of healthy people take vaccine.

Your continuous disregard of people who question current vaccine development and deployment by calling them anti-vax group is terrible.
Some of the people me included most likely have taken more vaccines than yourelf.

stephenjmcd · 15-10-2020 05:56AM

moonage wrote: »

Most healthy people won't take a vaccine for a virus that is harmless to them. The natural immunity from getting the virus is preferable to that from any vaccine, especially a rushed and potentially dodgy one.

If the vaxx zealots demand mandatory vaccination and get their way, it'll be a sorry day.

Firstly natural immunity is suspected now to only last a few months potentially. It may not be long term. Further research is needed but herd immunity looks highly unlikely now, even though it was never realistic to start with.

Secondly rushed and potentially dodgy one ? Have you looked into the review process & looked at anything printed on the trials so far in terms of data? You know the EMA is independent and won't approve anything that isn't meeting high safety and effectiveness requirements. Have you looked into why we may have the fastest vaccine ever ? The technology, the existing research for SARS. Oxford for example didn't just magic something up overnight, they're building on research since SARS.

Might I suggest reading up on the processes in place & not spouting what sounds like a post from an anti vaxx 5G Facebook page. So much non sense and lack of infromation behind the post.

patnor1011 · 15-10-2020 06:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Firstly natural immunity is suspected now to only last a few months potentially. It may not be long term

Secondly rushed and potentially dodgy one ? Have you looked into the review process & looked at anything printed on the trials so far in terms of data? You know the EMA is independent and won't approve anything that isn't meeting high safety and effectiveness requirements. Have you looked into why we may have the fastest vaccine ever ? The technology, the existing research for SARS. Oxford for example didn't just magic something up overnight, they're building on research since SARS.

Might I suggest reading up on the processes in place & not spouting what sounds like a post from an anti vaxx 5G Facebook page. So much non sense and lack of infromation behind the post.

Natural immunity is good considering current vaccines being developed in the west will not give you much of it if any.
There is not and for quite some time will not be available research and trial into potential damage from delayed response. There are documented instances of damage which revealed itself only after many months or even years passed.
That is what concerns people and why they may call it potentially dodgy.

There is a race going on whether you are willing to accept it or not. Companies which come first will get biggest share of the market. This is not some altruistic coordinated approach but hard capitalism at its finest. If this was about lives at stake or something like that then governments would already go for vaccines which are out there. Like couple of chinese or russian one's.
Vaccines are business and quite profitable one.

stephenjmcd · 15-10-2020 06:37AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Natural immunity is good considering current vaccines being developed in the west will not give you much of it if any.
There is not and for quite some time will not be available research and trial into potential damage from delayed response. There are documented instances of damage which revealed itself only after many months or even years passed.
That is what concerns people and why they may call it potentially dodgy.

There is a race going on whether you are willing to accept it or not. Companies which come first will get biggest share of the market. This is not some altruistic coordinated approach but hard capitalism at its finest. If this was about lives at stake or something like that then governments would already go for vaccines which are out there. Like couple of chinese or russian one's.
Vaccines are business and quite profitable one.

Sorry I just had to select your final line and I'll get to that in a moment, if I replied to the rest as I wanted I'd probably have a mod onto me, natural immunity as I've pointed out isn't expected long term after exposure hence heard immunity not an option, so I'm not sure why your banging the natural immunity drum.

As for your lines on Russian and Chinese vaccines, they haven't been tested properly for anyone to be confident they work or are safe so your remarks on lives v capitalism it quite frankly rubbish. So people have concerns about a vaccine but would rather go for a non tested Russian vaccine than something in phase 3 and then approved by EMA ?? Theres a word of difference in the testing process between those in phase 3 now and the Russian vaccine.

You understand that there is little if any profit being made on covid vaccines ?

I'll use Oxford as my example, being supplied at cost. Others will have slim margins, nothing coming close to the money thats been pumped into R&D

There's probably little point in me even continuing on because I'm not interesting in discussing capitalism, its been done to death on here before with other posters cut from the same cloth.

hmmm · 15-10-2020 09:11AM

https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/15/third-covid-rapid-test-proves-reliable-breath-test-tried-amsterdam

"The GGD test center in Amsterdam is experimenting with a breathalyzer test for the coronavirus developed by Leiden company Breathomix. The test can quickly determine that someone doesn't have Covid-19. A rapid test developed by TNO for the Ministry of Public Health also proved to be just as accurate as the commonly used PCR tests.

The Breathomix breathalyzer test detects particles that people exhale. Over the past weeks more than 1,800 people were tested with the device at GGD Amsterdam's test center, NOS reports. About 1,350 of then got a definite negative result. The test takes about 45 seconds - 30 seconds of blowing into the device, and a few seconds for the results. "

hmmm · 15-10-2020 09:37AM

Pfizer gets FDA approval to expand its vaccine trial to include kids aged 12 and up. The FDA must be seeing good data on the safety side to feel confident in allowing children to be included in the trial, otherwise it would be unethical to include them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923248377/will-kids-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-to-expand-trial-to-ages-12-and-up?t=1602750869765

VinLieger · 15-10-2020 09:39AM

hmmm wrote: »

Pfizer gets FDA approval to expand its vaccine trial to include kids aged 12 and up. The FDA must be seeing good data on the safety side to feel confident in allowing children to be included in the trial, otherwise it would be unethical to include them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923248377/will-kids-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-to-expand-trial-to-ages-12-and-up?t=1602750869765

Or the white house is pressuring them into moving faster than they should, im not saying its what happening but I dont think its wrong to be skeptical of literally anything coming out of any US governmental agencies under trump

funnydoggy · 15-10-2020 09:54AM

Good news coming in rapidly. Love it.

A press release on Phase II results for "SNG001" - https://www.synairgen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/200720-Synairgen-announces-positive-results-from-trial-of-SNG001-in-hospitalised-COVID-19-patients.pdf

Patients who receivedSNG001 had a 79% lower risk of developing severe disease compared to placebo

Patients who received SNG001were more than twice as likely to recover from COVID-19 as those on placebo

El Weirdo · 15-10-2020 11:52AM

hmmm wrote: »

The test takes about 45 seconds - 30 seconds of blowing into the device, and a few seconds for the results. "

That's quite a blow.

funnydoggy · 15-10-2020 11:53AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

That's quite a blow.

That's the test. If you can't make it you have COVID :pac::pac:

But yeah 30 seconds is a stretch!

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 12:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

Pfizer gets FDA approval to expand its vaccine trial to include kids aged 12 and up. The FDA must be seeing good data on the safety side to feel confident in allowing children to be included in the trial, otherwise it would be unethical to include them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923248377/will-kids-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-to-expand-trial-to-ages-12-and-up?t=1602750869765

It appears that Pfizer and possibly Moderna are quite clearly in the lead here. Only a matter of time imo.

Panrich · 15-10-2020 01:07PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Maybe because their tax money can pay for that treatment.

No. Their tax money goes to pay for the common good in our social welfare system.

People wanting special dispensation are entitled to pay for it themselves. Why should social welfare funding pay for people who selfishly put themselves before the common good. If there are no underlying issues with a persons health, and a vaccine is introduced, it is our social duty to take it.

Those who refuse to take one for the team should have to pay their own way as a consequence.

funnydoggy · 15-10-2020 01:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

Pfizer gets FDA approval to expand its vaccine trial to include kids aged 12 and up. The FDA must be seeing good data on the safety side to feel confident in allowing children to be included in the trial, otherwise it would be unethical to include them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923248377/will-kids-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-to-expand-trial-to-ages-12-and-up?t=1602750869765

How does this work, it being so close to the end of the trial?

Confuses me. Thanks hmmm

Micky 32 · 15-10-2020 01:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It appears that Pfizer and possibly Moderna are quite clearly in the lead here. Only a matter of time imo.

I had a great chat with someone actually in the know and knows someone involved in Oxford. I can tell you there will be a few misery bubbles burst on here by mid 2021.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 01:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I was talking to someone that knows someone involved in Oxford. I can tell you there will be a few misery bubbles burst on here by mid 2021.

In all seriousness it's going to be interesting to see the reaction of those calling for lockdowns when we have a vaccine

15-10-2020 01:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In all seriousness it's going to be interesting to see the reaction of those calling for lockdowns when we have a vaccine

"1% of those who got a vaccine got a mild temperature, its a complete failure, how could the government let this happen, we are all going to die!"

Level 42 · 15-10-2020 01:23PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I was talking to someone that knows someone involved in Oxford. I can tell you there will be a few misery bubbles burst on here by mid 2021.

Ya go on

Mitch Connor · 15-10-2020 01:27PM

y'all are weird. people are going to be delighted when there is a vaccine. apart from the anti-vaxxers.

VinLieger · 15-10-2020 01:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In all seriousness it's going to be interesting to see the reaction of those calling for lockdowns when we have a vaccine

How do you mean?

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 01:34PM

VinLieger wrote: »

How do you mean?

There's quite the proportion on this website who refuse to acknowledge potential vaccines and predict on-going lockdowns until 2022-2023.

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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