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    #152
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I'm not hiding though.

    You are. Be proud of what you believe in and what you stand for. If you can't admit to it then you are hiding.


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    #153
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭Feisar


    significantly wrote: »
    If you're okay with supporting the murderers of innocent Irish people then just say it, why do people need to hide from that fact?

    I used to be that black and white when I was 16. Do you mind me asking what age you are?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #154
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,456 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    You are. Be proud of what you believe in and what you stand for. If you can't admit to it then you are hiding.

    I have stated time and time again that I am proud to wear a poppy every year, you will now add your opinion onto what I have said and that's OK because great men fought and died so that you could have that opinion.

    If this makes you angry then that's your issue not mine, I'm fine with the decisions that I choose to make and some random person on the Internets opinion means nothing to me.


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    #155
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    Feisar wrote: »
    I used to be that black and white when I was 16. Do you mind me asking what age you are?

    Is there a part of you that is ashamed of what you stand for? Is there a feeling of guilt? What is stopping you from having pride in your beliefs?


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    #156
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I have stated time and time again that I am proud to wear a poppy every year, you will now add your opinion onto what I have said and that's OK because great men fought and died so that you could have that opinion.

    If this makes you angry then that's your issue not mine, I'm fine with the decisions that I choose to make and some random person on the Internets opinion means nothing to me.

    I'm not angry at all. Many Irish people have fought for the British armed forces, many Irish people have been in favour of British murder of Irish people. In buying the poppy you are supporting those murders. Why are you ashamed of this?


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    #157
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    significantly wrote: »
    I'm not angry at all. Many Irish people have fought for the British armed forces, many Irish people have been in favour of British murder of Irish people. In buying the poppy you are supporting those murders. Why are you ashamed of this?

    It’s a free country buddy, not everyone has to share your beliefs.


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    #158
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    It’s a free country buddy, not everyone has to share your beliefs.

    That's exactly what I'm saying. Everyone has different beliefs, why not admit to them? If someone is in favour of British murders in Ireland and elsewhere, then just say it, why try to weasel out of it?


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    #159
    Feisar
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    significantly wrote: »
    Is there a part of you that is ashamed of what you stand for? Is there a feeling of guilt? What is stopping you from having pride in your beliefs?

    ****ing try hard. Your people took the soup and no amount of pontification will change that now. Let it go.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #160
    significantly
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    Feisar wrote: »
    ****ing try hard. Your people took the soup and no amount of pontification will change that now. Let it go.

    The shame and guilt are dripping from your posts. You need to reflect on your beliefs, why can't you stand by them?


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    #161
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,307 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/what-is-the-british-legion-and-where-does-the-poppy-appeal-money-go-7069699/

    "The Royal British Legion is a charity that provides financial, social and emotional support to veterans and members of the British Armed Forces, their families and dependants.
    By buying a red poppy each year you are supporting a new generation of veterans and armed forces personnel."


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    #162
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    significantly wrote: »
    I'm not angry at all. Many Irish people have fought for the British armed forces, many Irish people have been in favour of British murder of Irish people. In buying the poppy you are supporting those murders. Why are you ashamed of this?

    That’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.


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    #163
    corner of hells
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    significantly wrote: »
    The shame and guilt are dripping from your posts. You need to reflect on your beliefs, why can't you stand by them?

    You sound like you're conducting some sort of religious intervention.


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    #164
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    significantly wrote: »
    That's exactly what I'm saying. Everyone has different beliefs, why not admit to them? If someone is in favour of British murders in Ireland and elsewhere, then just say it, why try to weasel out of it?

    A fair point, I support remembering soldiers, many of them Irish, who bravely gave their lives on the fields of the Flanders to halt tyranny from spreading across Europe, and I couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland, where there was plenty of murderers on both sides. So, in my opinion, if someone wants to wear the poppy, who are you to judge them for it?


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    #165
    Hamsterchops
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    OMG, so much narrow minded anger from a few posters who don't hold the facts. Being blinkered & brainwashed by (Extreme) Irish Republicanism is not good. If people want to water a red poppy or a white poppy let them be.....


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    #166
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    That’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.

    It's not an opinion. You buy the poppy every year, you stated this. The money from this goes to support members of the British armed forces, including the murderers of innocent Irish people.


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    #167
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    A fair point, I support remembering soldiers, many of them Irish, who bravely gave their lives on the fields of the Flanders to halt tyranny from spreading across Europe, and I couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland, where there was plenty of murderers on both sides. So, in my opinion, if someone wants to wear the poppy, who are you to judge them for it?

    Who said I'm judging anyone? If someone wants to support the murderers of innocent Irish people then they can wear their poppy with pride.


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    #168
    murpho999
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    Why oh why does this come up every year?
    The Poppy appeal is a British event and we're in Ireland and do our own thing. As simple as that.

    Other countries who were involved in the wars do not wear poppies. Look at USA, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy etc.

    They all have their own remembrance ceremonies. So do we so there's no need for Irish people to wear them.

    Also, I remember the poppy day years ago being a solemn and poignant occasion in the UK

    Nowadays it's been turned into a British jingoistic event. Union Jacks everywhere, massive build up. Football clubs having huge ceremonies with soldiers in stadiums. Football jerseys with poppies on them.

    As a result people are forced to wear them if appearing on TV and get criticised if they don't for whatever reason as in the well documented case of what happend to James McClean which to me takes away the freedom of choice which was apparently what fighting those wars was all about but that seems to be lost on most British people.

    White poppy is also nonsense and should be forgotten about.


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    #169
    murpho999
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    A fair point, I support remembering soldiers, many of them Irish, who bravely gave their lives on the fields of the Flanders to halt tyranny from spreading across Europe, and I couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland, where there was plenty of murderers on both sides. So, in my opinion, if someone wants to wear the poppy, who are you to judge them for it?

    We have our own remembrance days for that and we do not need to support a foreign charity to do so.

    Why would you need to wear a poppy or any other emblem to remember someone anyway?


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    #170
    Dav010
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    significantly wrote: »
    Who said I'm judging anyone? If someone wants to support the murderers of innocent Irish people then they can wear their poppy with pride.

    The same argument could be made for supporting SF/IRA.

    But it’s a free country, if people want to wear a poppy or support a party associated with terrorism, so be it.


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    #171
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    murpho999 wrote: »
    We have our own remembrance days for that and we do not need to support a foreign charity to do so.

    Why would you need to wear a poppy or any other emblem to remember someone anyway?

    You don’t need to wear a poppy, a shamrock, a cross etc, but you are free to do so if you choose.


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    #172
    corner of hells
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Why oh why does this come up every year?
    The Poppy appeal is a British event and we're in Ireland and do our own thing. As simple as that.

    Other countries who were involved in the wars do not wear poppies. Look at USA, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy etc.

    They all have their own remembrance ceremonies. So do we so there's no need for Irish people to wear them.

    Also, I remember the poppy day years ago being a solemn and poignant occasion in the UK

    Nowadays it's been turned into a British jingoistic event. Union Jacks everywhere, massive build up. Football clubs having huge ceremonies with soldiers in stadiums. Football jerseys with poppies on them.

    As a result people are forced to wear them if appearing on TV and get criticised if they don't for whatever reason as in the well documented case of what happend to James McClean which to me takes away the freedom of choice which was apparently what fighting those wars was all about but that seems to be lost on most British people.

    White poppy is also nonsense and should be forgotten about.

    Theres is a few countries that do wear poppies , specifically mark of remembrance.


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    #173
    murpho999
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Theres is a few countries that do wear poppies , specifically mark of remembrance.

    Commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and well established in each country.

    Not the case in Ireland so no need for them here. Simple.


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    #174
    murpho999
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    You don’t need to wear a poppy, a shamrock, a cross etc, but you are free to do so if you choose.

    But it's not a thing in Ireland, it's not our remembrance day so I don't see the need.


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    #175
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and well established in each country.

    Not the case in Ireland so no need for them here. Simple.

    If someone from any one of those countries is living in or visiting Ireland then whats the problem with them wearing one. No one is forcing Irish people in Ireland to wear one.


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    #176
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But it's not a thing in Ireland, it's not our remembrance day so I don't see the need.

    Surely you are not saying that because you don’t “see the need”, nobody else should?


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    #177
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    But it's not a thing in Ireland, it's not our remembrance day so I don't see the need.

    I dont see the need for a St Patrick's day parade in Liverpool, London, New York every year, I dont start a thread every year whinging about it though.


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    #178
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But it's not a thing in Ireland, it's not our remembrance day so I don't see the need.

    Who's remembrance day is it so ?

    First poppies were worn in the USA as remembrance for their soldiers.


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    #179
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    The same argument could be made for supporting SF/IRA.

    But it’s a free country, if people want to wear a poppy or support a party associated with terrorism, so be it.

    Yeah, if you're okay with the murder of innocent Irish people by the British armed forces and you like to support those murderers financially, then wear your poppy with pride, as I said.


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    #180
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,441 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Who's remembrance day is it so ?

    First poppies were worn in the USA as remembrance for their soldiers.

    Ireland has it's own memorial day without poppies in July.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Commemoration


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    #181
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,441 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Who's remembrance day is it so ?

    First poppies were worn in the USA as remembrance for their soldiers.

    It's a British day and also some commonwealth countries.


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