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Wearing a white Poppy

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    #122
    indioblack
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭indioblack


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ah, whatever about the rights and wrongs of it, I think people often forget the pageantry some British people enjoy. Some of them revel in the fact that they won two world wars. I'm ambivalent about it. Part of me thinks 'fair play, their ancestors were involved in some pretty bid world events' and I know the Irish would be similarly proud if our military was a leader in such big operations.

    Another part of me thibks it's ridiculous that people like MP Mark Francois say "we won the war". While he's right that Britain was part of winning the war, he wasn't even alive during the war and he contributed nothing towards winnings the war.

    A but of patriotism is no harm. But when people start thinking they deserve credit for things their ancestors achieved, then it becomes ridiculous.

    I wouldn't wear a poppy but can't bring myself to get upset at anyone who wants to wear one.
    I agree. Over the top patriotism annoys me, wherever it comes from. You're right - trying to claim credit for the actions of others is ludicrous, more so, it's illogical when it's generations ago. Quite a few do it in both countries, [Britain and Ireland].


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    #123
    Treppen
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    indioblack wrote: »
    I agree. Over the top patriotism annoys me, wherever it comes from. You're right - trying to claim credit for the actions of others is ludicrous, more so, it's illogical when it's generations ago. Quite a few do it in both countries, [Britain and Ireland].

    The Irish are worse at it though. Listening to Irish Arsenal vs Irish Liverpool supporters is odd. "We are better than ye cos blah blah blah.." ya but "We are better than ye bacause blah blah blah".


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    #124
    Treppen
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    Any more updates on the white Poppy?


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    #125
    significantly
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    This happened recently:

    'The Public Prosecution Service has stuck to its original decision to bring charges against no more than one soldier in relation to Bloody Sunday.

    It followed a review of the cases of 15 veterans, who it determined there should be no action against last year.

    Thirteen people were killed and 15 were wounded when the Army opened fire on civil rights demonstrators in Derry in January 1972.'

    Wear your poppy with pride, you support these murderers.


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    #126
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    This happened recently:

    'The Public Prosecution Service has stuck to its original decision to bring charges against no more than one soldier in relation to Bloody Sunday.

    It followed a review of the cases of 15 veterans, who it determined there should be no action against last year.

    Thirteen people were killed and 15 were wounded when the Army opened fire on civil rights demonstrators in Derry in January 1972.'

    Wear your poppy with pride, you support these murderers.

    I will.


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    #127
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I will.

    You have no issue with supporting the killers of innocent Irish people?


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    #128
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    You have no issue with supporting the killers of innocent Irish people?

    Thats your opinion which you are entitled to hold, its not what i said.


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    #129
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Thats your opinion which you are entitled to hold, its not what i said.

    It's not an opinion, I asked you a question. My original post was in relation to the murder of innocent Irish people by members of the British armed forces, you indicated that you have pride in supporting these murderers. I just asked you to clarify as surely that can't be the case?


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    #130
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    It's not an opinion, I asked you a question. My original post was in relation to the murder of innocent Irish people by members of the British armed forces, you indicated that you have pride in supporting these murderers. I just asked you to clarify as surely that can't be the case?

    For clarification, no I didn't, that's what you took from it but not what I said.


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    #131
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Where does the money go?


    Any poppy or easter lily for that matter.


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    #132
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    For clarification, no I didn't, that's what you took from it but not what I said.

    Oh okay, you don't purchase a poppy that supports these murderers?


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    #133
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    Oh okay, you don't purchase a poppy that supports these murderers?

    I purchase a poppy every year.


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    #134
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I purchase a poppy every year.

    Well then you support the murderers of innocent Irish people. Are you Irish?


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    #135
    [Deleted User]
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    significantly wrote: »
    Well then you support the murderers of innocent Irish people. Are you Irish?

    You can keep trying to put words in his mouth, and won't succeed. Give up the charade and spite the devil. The troll factor in this thread has escalated significantly.


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    #136
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    significantly wrote: »
    Well then you support the murderers of innocent Irish people. Are you Irish?

    Did our crowd not fire a few shots to wind up the tans?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #137
    significantly
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can keep trying to put words in his mouth, and won't succeed. Give up the charade and spite the devil. The troll factor in this thread has escalated significantly.

    They have admitted to buyinbg a poppy every year. You know where the money goes? Some of it will go to support the murderers of innocent Irish people.


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    #138
    significantly
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Did our crowd not fire a few shots to wind up the tans?

    No. And there were no shots fired by our crowd in Derry either.


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    #139
    corner of hells
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    significantly wrote: »
    They have admitted to buyinbg a poppy every year. You know where the money goes? Some of it will go to support the murderers of innocent Irish people.

    There's not a lot you can do , lots of Irish men served in the BA , lots will were the poppy.


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    #140
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    Well then you support the murderers of innocent Irish people. Are you Irish?

    So you keep claiming, thats your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.


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    #141
    significantly
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    There's not a lot you can do , lots of Irish men served in the BA , lots will were the poppy.

    Oh they can wear and support whatever they want. I'm just pointing out that in doing so, you are supporting the murderers of innocent Irish people. That's before we get to murders committed in other countries.


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    #142
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So you keep claiming, thats your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.

    It's not an opinion. You buy the poppy every year, you stated this. The money from this goes to support members of the British armed forces, including the murderers of innocent Irish people. If that's fine by you then say it, don't hide.


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    #143
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    It's not an opinion. You buy the poppy every year, you stated this. The money from this goes to support members of the British armed forces, including the murderers of innocent Irish people. If that's fine by you then say it, don't hide.

    Oh inhave made my position very clear on this subject over the years, please feel free to read the last 10 or so annual poppy threads. You're a re-reg of someone who I dare say already knows my stance so why should I explain myself to you or anyone else again?


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    #144
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Oh inhave made my position very clear on this subject over the years, please feel free to read the last 10 or so annual poppy threads. You're a re-reg of someone who I dare say already knows my stance so why should I explain myself to you or anyone else again?

    I am not going to read over any of your previous posts, I am not a re-reg and you have already made your stance clear on this thread; you support the murderers of innocent Irish people every year. Stop hiding.


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    #145
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    I am not going to read over any of your previous posts, I am not a re-reg and you have already made your stance clear on this thread; you support the murderers of innocent Irish people every year. Stop hiding.


    As i have said already, That’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.


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    #146
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    As i have said already, That’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold. You're opinion is wrong but I respect your right to hold it.

    What are you on about? You literally said this:
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I purchase a poppy every year.


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    #147
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    What are you on about? You literally said this:

    Yes, you're correct, I did say that.

    Then you tagged your opinion onto what I said.


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    #148
    Feisar
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    significantly wrote: »
    It's not an opinion. You buy the poppy every year, you stated this. The money from this goes to support members of the British armed forces, including the murderers of innocent Irish people. If that's fine by you then say it, don't hide.

    Oscar Wilde - The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

    The BA done terrible things in this country. Lots of Irish lads served in the BA. Most of the time it was for a job, steady pay.
    If my great grandfather died in WW1 and I for some reason wear a poppy what’s the issue? As an Irish man that works in the UK a lot no one has ever commented on me not wearing a poppy.
    The whole thing is a non issue.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #149
    significantly
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yes, you're correct, I did say that.

    Then you tagged your opinion onto what I said.

    There's no opinion. You buy the poppy every year, the money from this goes to support former members of the British armed forces, these include the murderers of innocent Irish people.

    That's not an opinion. Stop hiding.


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    #150
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    significantly wrote: »
    There's no opinion. You buy the poppy every year, the money from this goes to support former members of the British armed forces, these include the murderers of innocent Irish people.

    That's not an opinion. Stop hiding.

    I'm not hiding though.


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    #151
    significantly
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Oscar Wilde - The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

    The BA done terrible things in this country. Lots of Irish lads served in the BA. Most of the time it was for a job, steady pay.
    If my great grandfather died in WW1 and I for some reason wear a poppy what’s the issue? As an Irish man that works in the UK a lot no one has ever commented on me not wearing a poppy.
    The whole thing is a non issue.

    If you're okay with supporting the murderers of innocent Irish people then just say it, why do people need to hide from that fact?


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