LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Atlantic Dawn · 10-10-2020 02:08PM

It's rather crazy that commercial use of the road in a taxi is €95 a year but the same car in private hands is €1809 a year. Any other sector business pays much higher commercial rates for the likes of water and waste services etc.

Sam Russell · 10-10-2020 02:18PM

Top Dog wrote: »

Insurance always costs more if paid in installments, so those who can't afford to tax for a full year are still penalised.

I know insurance companies charge more, but that is not what I think should happen. The example I gave would mean a higher cost per month but at 12 months the extra is credited back so it would be the same as paying up front.. Also, if the charges are not paid on time, the refund would not happen.

Top Dog · 10-10-2020 03:33PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

I know insurance companies charge more, but that is not what I think should happen. The example I gave would mean a higher cost per month but at 12 months the extra is credited back so it would be the same as paying up front.. Also, if the charges are not paid on time, the refund would not happen.

Sounds very complicated, and if you sell the car within the period you've paid more for whatever amount of months and don't get the credit back. Or in order to get the credit back its a headache. Much easier to simply divide the annual cost by 12 and leave it at that. €600 a year? That's €50 a month so and no complication of overpaying or credits. Keep it simple.

Sam Russell · 10-10-2020 03:57PM

Top Dog wrote: »

Sounds very complicated, and if you sell the car within the period you've paid more for whatever amount of months and don't get the credit back. Or in order to get the credit back its a headache. Much easier to simply divide the annual cost by 12 and leave it at that. €600 a year? That's €50 a month so and no complication of overpaying or credits. Keep it simple.

It works for the insurance companies, and is not difficult - just sign up for the direct debit - credit card or debit card. At least is does not cost more for the monthly charge. What could be simpler than that. Alternative is to pay full amount up front.

Of course there is the problem of identifying whether an NCT and insurance is in force, but that is another issue.

Top Dog · 10-10-2020 06:36PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

It works for the insurance companies, and is not difficult - just sign up for the direct debit - credit card or debit card. At least is does not cost more for the monthly charge. What could be simpler than that. Alternative is to pay full amount up front.

Of course there is the problem of identifying whether an NCT and insurance is in force, but that is another issue.

Insurance companies charge more for the first instalment, with 10 more payments and a break in the last month - not the same thing as what you've proposed

Plus you can freeze or transfer an insurance policy, where tax is specific to one car.

Heres Johnny · 10-10-2020 07:25PM

Top Dog wrote: »

Insurance companies charge more for the first instalment, with 10 more payments and a break in the last month - not the same thing as what you've proposed

Plus you can freeze or transfer an insurance policy, where tax is specific to one car.

Insurance companies also charge interest if you choose to pay monthly.

elperello · 10-10-2020 07:52PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's rather crazy that commercial use of the road in a taxi is €95 a year but the same car in private hands is €1809 a year. Any other sector business pays much higher commercial rates for the likes of water and waste services etc.

The rationale for the reduced motor tax rate is that a taxi/hackney is an SPSV ie. a small public service vehicle.

It forms part of the infrastructure of the public transport system complementing buses, trams, trains etc.

If the vehicles were taxed at the higher rate it would just be passed on to the customers.

10-10-2020 07:55PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's rather crazy that commercial use of the road in a taxi is €95 a year but the same car in private hands is €1809 a year. Any other sector business pays much higher commercial rates for the likes of water and waste services etc.

HGVs are 900 which is loony cheap also if you look at it that way.

Sam Russell · 10-10-2020 08:00PM

Top Dog wrote: »

Insurance companies charge more for the first instalment, with 10 more payments and a break in the last month - not the same thing as what you've proposed

Plus you can freeze or transfer an insurance policy, where tax is specific to one car.

I also suggested that Motor Tax should be able to be refunded without the car having to be scrapped. Of course because Motor Tax is charge by the month or part of a month.

These are suggestions, and of course it is possible to pick holes, but suggest something that could be acceptable and would not cost too much rather than misunderstanding it.

KevRossi · 10-10-2020 08:32PM

elperello wrote: »

The rationale for the reduced motor tax rate is that a taxi/hackney is an SPSV ie. a small public service vehicle.

It forms part of the infrastructure of the public transport system complementing buses, trams, trains etc.

If the vehicles were taxed at the higher rate it would just be passed on to the customers.

Don't want to go off topic here, but they are private businesses, they should not be regarded as public transport. The cost per trip would be very small compared to the amount of trips they do in a year.

FWIW motor tax should be added to fuel IMO, like they do in France. It's the right time to do it, as well over half the cars on the road are taxed under the emissions rate and are paying under €400 pa for motor tax.

elperello · 10-10-2020 08:44PM

KevRossi wrote: »

Don't want to go off topic here, but they are private businesses, they should not be regarded as public transport. The cost per trip would be very small compared to the amount of trips they do in a year.

FWIW motor tax should be added to fuel IMO, like they do in France. It's the right time to do it, as well over half the cars on the road are taxed under the emissions rate and are paying under €400 pa for motor tax.

Luas and private buses are private businesses forming part of public transport too. Zero sum game to increase tax and have it taken back from customers.

Agree re. add to fuel but it would favour people taking shorter journeys on the roads which need to have use limited ie. cities.

Top Dog · 10-10-2020 10:19PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

These are suggestions, and of course it is possible to pick holes, but suggest something that could be acceptable and would not cost too much rather than misunderstanding it.

I did suggest something.

Take the annual fee, divide it by 12, and pay monthly. No interest. No penalties. No uneven payments. No awkward admin or paperwork. Why complicate things when there's a simple option

Rows Grower · 10-10-2020 10:25PM

Top Dog wrote: »

I did suggest something.

Take the annual fee, divide it by 12, and pay monthly. No interest. No penalties. No uneven payments. No awkward admin or paperwork. Why complicate things when there's a simple option

You new around these parts stranger?

ToxicPaddy · 10-10-2020 10:32PM

Adding tax onto fuel would make avoidance of paying motor tax impossible and as said earlier, if you use the car less you pay less tax.

An option for businesses would to get rebates twice a year on the additional cost they pay in fuel. It would also encourage more business vehicles to go towards the hybrid or more efficient models.

But it would impact those with classic cars etc who currently pay a lower tax rate however classic cars are limited to a lower mileage, 5000 miles a year iirc so it may balance out.

the_syco · 10-10-2020 10:36PM

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Adding tax onto fuel

So... more fuel tax onto fuel the current fuel tax?

Excise: per litre, 54.18 cents for petrol and 42.57 cents for diesel (The excise duty on fuel is levied on a per-litre basis and not as a percentage of the price, which means when the cost of fuel falls, the tax remains at the same level.
NORA levy: per litre, funds the National Oil Reserves Agency (NORA), 2.00 cent per litre for both diesel and petrol;
Carbon tax: per litre, 4.59 cents for petrol and 5.33 cents for diesel;
Biofuel obligation: the State obliges oil companies to ensure that 6% of their volume of all motor fuels is from renewable sources such as ethanol or biodiesel. Oil companies meet this obligation in a variety of ways and the blending mix for each product may differ between different companies. The net effect currently is to add about 1.5 cents to a litre of petrol and about 3 cents to a litre of diesel – (to both of which VAT is added at 23%);
Better Energy Levy: 0.12 cents per litre.
VAT: 23% on all of the above. The amount of VAT therefore rises and falls with the cost of product.

ToxicPaddy · 11-10-2020 01:39AM

the_syco wrote: »

So... more fuel tax onto fuel the current fuel tax?
Excise: per litre, 54.18 cents for petrol and 42.57 cents for diesel (The excise duty on fuel is levied on a per-litre basis and not as a percentage of the price, which means when the cost of fuel falls, the tax remains at the same level.

NORA levy: per litre, funds the National Oil Reserves Agency (NORA), 2.00 cent per litre for both diesel and petrol;

Carbon tax: per litre, 4.59 cents for petrol and 5.33 cents for diesel;

Biofuel obligation: the State obliges oil companies to ensure that 6% of their volume of all motor fuels is from renewable sources such as ethanol or biodiesel. Oil companies meet this obligation in a variety of ways and the blending mix for each product may differ between different companies. The net effect currently is to add about 1.5 cents to a litre of petrol and about 3 cents to a litre of diesel – (to both of which VAT is added at 23%);

Better Energy Levy: 0.12 cents per litre.

VAT: 23% on all of the above. The amount of VAT therefore rises and falls with the cost of product.

Yes I know there is a high tax on fuel already but the current system just doesn't work so its one possible alternative.

On another note, its going to be interesting to see what the government does in the future if there is a large scale move to EVs. They will lose large amounts of income from motor tax and also from the tax on fuel.

Top Dog · 11-10-2020 01:50AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

You new around these parts stranger?

Nah

Just an eternal optimist hoping that some day, somehow, someone might make sensible decisions. I know it's fantasy, but with all the doom and gloom lately I have to have something to hope for :pac:

Tea drinker · 11-10-2020 11:32AM

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Adding tax onto fuel would make avoidance of paying motor tax impossible and as said earlier, if you use the car less you pay less tax.

An option for businesses would to get rebates twice a year on the additional cost they pay in fuel. It would also encourage more business vehicles to go towards the hybrid or more efficient models.

But it would impact those with classic cars etc who currently pay a lower tax rate however classic cars are limited to a lower mileage, 5000 miles a year iirc so it may balance out.

Why get rid of one when you can keep her lit on two? IMHO Both taxes are going up, and "mid level polluting cars" are going to be hit hard in motor tax.
Never mind the actual pollution from EV but lets move on quickly before we dissappear down a black hole on that
There's a very strong drive in Dublin to get cars off the road by sabotaging the roads and needlessly eliminating parking spaces. Keep in mind Green party ideas about one car per village and you'll not be far off the mantra.

Top Dog wrote: »

Just an eternal optimist hoping that some day, somehow, someone might make sensible decisions.

1. Get rid of polluting cars
2. ????
3. Profit!!!

Sam Russell · 11-10-2020 11:41AM

Any barges coming into view?

biko · 11-10-2020 11:50AM

Next 3 posts must be about luxobarges

KevRossi · 11-10-2020 11:56AM

Sam Russell · 11-10-2020 11:58AM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-ls460-v8-360bhp/26181591

Lexus Ls460 V8 360Bhp €5,200

Truckermal · 11-10-2020 12:28PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-ls460-v8-360bhp/26181591

Lexus Ls460 V8 360Bhp €5,200

That was for sale in Mallow last week for a awful lot less than that! I'd be getting that well checked over too as I'm sure it was for sale in Mallow about a year ago with overheating issues.

ek motor · 11-10-2020 09:41PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-730d-including-playstation-vr-mega-pk-/26026738

An original sales angle he's gone for

Mickiemcfist · 11-10-2020 11:51PM

ek motor wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-730d-including-playstation-vr-mega-pk-/26026738

An original sales angle he's gone for

Thinking outside the box alright..

What does the average 7 series buyer want?
A PlayStation for their grandkid of course!!

I Was VB · 12-10-2020 12:59AM

W221 needing some tlc

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26152170

Very cheap at €2.5k!

California Dreamer · 12-10-2020 06:11AM

I Was VB wrote: »

W221 needing some tlc

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26152170

Very cheap at €2.5k!

Give it a wash and take some pictures in a place that doesn't look like a halting site and someone might bite!

CoBo55 · 12-10-2020 09:24AM

I Was VB wrote: »

W221 needing some tlc

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26152170

Very cheap at €2.5k!

He'll be price slashing a few times before she's towed off the site...

12-10-2020 09:46AM

I Was VB wrote: »

W221 needing some tlc

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26152170

Very cheap at €2.5k!

13 years old, 323700 km, sitting up for last 12 months which coincides with NCT expiry & ABS / TRACTION LIGHTS ON.

€2500 doesn't seem cheap tbh, definitely not very cheap.

12-10-2020 09:49AM

Petrol s class

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/huge-spec-mercedes-benz-s350-s-class-new-nct/25505337

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96,000 km, 2005 reg, sold with new NCT according to add, current one expired in Mar 19......

€2950 from a trader with 6 adds up......... approx €100k of metal for sale

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