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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    Law20213 wrote: »
    They recognise most Irish university degrees.

    https://www.sra.org.uk/students/courses/qualifying-law-degree-providers/

    Only mentions UCD and Trinity as qualifying degrees unless I missed it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 scarson216


    Has anyone been able to get through to the Law Society today or had any kind of update? My employer is demanding to know firm dates before I book leave for definite on Monday, dreading heading into the weekend not knowing anything, it’s nothing short of cruel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    scarson216 wrote: »
    Has anyone been able to get through to the Law Society today or had any kind of update? My employer is demanding to know firm dates before I book leave for definite on Monday, dreading heading into the weekend not knowing anything, it’s nothing short of cruel.


    I sent and email but the reply I got was that we would know more early next week


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Law20213


    https://www.sra.org.uk/students/courses/qualifying-law-degree-providers/

    Only mentions UCD and Trinity as qualifying degrees unless I missed it

    You can fill out a form on there website I did it few years back I didn’t go to the above uni’s.....you need cert or piece paper from the SRA recognising youR law degree from Ireland in order to apply for the LPC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭EmmaO94


    If this helps, for a 'qualifying law degree' from Eng/Wales you have to have covered & passed these seven subjects on your llb: contract, criminal, tort, land, equity, public & eu

    So I think Irish law degrees would qualify under this, no?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    EmmaO94 wrote: »
    If this helps, for a 'qualifying law degree' from Eng/Wales you have to have covered & passed these seven subjects on your llb: contract, criminal, tort, land, equity, public & eu

    So I think Irish law degrees would qualify under this, no?

    From the website it only states UCD and Trinity as qualifying Law degrees with certain subjects included

    For UCD you have to have sat English public law English land law admin and then the other basics like criminal and equity and trusts

    It gives you the list on the website

    But you could probably ring and ask could you still apply for an exemption from the GDL from another university having sat those subjects

    https://www.sra.org.uk/students/academic-stage/

    That link has all the info


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Law20213


    From the website it only states UCD and Trinity as qualifying Law degrees with certain subjects included

    For UCD you have to have sat English public law English land law admin and then the other basics like criminal and equity and trusts

    It gives you the list on the website

    But you could probably ring and ask could you still apply for an exemption from the GDL from another university having sat those subjects

    https://www.sra.org.uk/students/academic-stage/

    That link has all the info



    You can also pay to sit the individual subjects (under the gdl) you maybe missing in order to qualify for the LPC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    Law20213 wrote: »
    You can also pay to sit the individual subjects (under the gdl) you maybe missing in order to qualify for the LPC

    Yes!!
    That may be my plan in the future !! Only one that I need that I didn’t sit is English Public Law !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Law20213


    Yes!!
    That may be my plan in the future !! Only one that I need that I didn’t sit is English Public Law !!

    If you have the money it’s not a bad route to take!!

    Wish we had the LPC but it’s more like the PPC course here

    Calls into question when you have already studied a law degree why the heck do we have to do it all over again and call it the FE1’s

    Lol let’s start a petition that fe1’s should preclude people who have already gone to the bother of studying a law degree


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    Yes!!
    That may be my plan in the future !! Only one that I need that I didn’t sit is English Public Law !!
    Law20213 wrote: »
    If you have the money it’s not a bad route to take!!

    Wish we had the LPC but it’s more like the PPC course here

    Calls into question when you have already studied a law degree why the heck do we have to do it all over again and call it the FE1’s

    Lol let’s start a petition that fe1’s should preclude people who have already gone to the bother of studying a law degree

    How much is it haha I can’t seem find that bit of info

    He FE-1s make absolutely no sense for people with a law degree tbh. We all sat these subjects in our first two years of college mostly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Lawofattracti


    From the website it only states UCD and Trinity as qualifying Law degrees with certain subjects included

    For UCD you have to have sat English public law English land law admin and then the other basics like criminal and equity and trusts

    It gives you the list on the website

    But you could probably ring and ask could you still apply for an exemption from the GDL from another university having sat those subjects

    https://www.sra.org.uk/students/academic-stage/

    That link has all the info

    I know that it is quite important that you have English Land done yes! People think that their Irish land lawodile will cover you but it won't - a lot of their rules are quite different so you have to have done English Land Law to skip the GDL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Fe1student1234


    I know that it is quite important that you have English Land done yes! People think that their Irish land lawodile will cover you but it won't - a lot of their rules are quite different so you have to have done English Land Law to skip the GDL

    Yes I’ve done English Land Law! It is quite similar but there are major differences in some areas such as adverse possession for example!

    You also have to have done English public law I think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    Yes I’ve done English Land Law! It is quite similar but there are major differences in some areas such as adverse possession for example!

    You also have to have done English public law I think?

    Yep, you do also have to do English Public Law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 FE12020Law


    My biggest regret is doing an Irish Law degree at this stage. The fact there was even a time you had to retake FE1 exams you already passed was scandalous in itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭Katniss1998


    Dear Deputy,

    I am contacting you regarding the erroneous treatment of candidates sitting the Law Society of Ireland Final Entrance Examinations (FE-1s). The FE-1s take place in March and October annually. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, these exams were cancelled and postponed respectively.

    The FE1s are a demanding set of entrance exams to kickstart the process of qualifying as a solicitor in Ireland, in subjects already passed in an undergraduate law degree. The exams are both expensive and time-consuming, costing €100 each to take (and there are eight exams) as well as the cost of organising accommodation in Dublin for the duration of exams which are spread over two weeks. Due to their difficult nature, it is very challenging to work while studying for the FE1s at the best of times, considering the amount of annual leave required. So the choice is between working and trying to study at the same time or not working at all, which is financially impossible for many graduates.

    Two examinations were cancelled in March due to Covid 19 and rescheduled for August. This resulted in the announcement of the October sitting in September giving students only four weeks to prepare. In order to display the significance of this delay, typically a candidate will sit 4 exams per sitting, these exams are 3 hours long and equate to about 10 credits of undergraduate material each. This means that in each sitting, a candidate is covering approximately 40 credits of work, which is two thirds of a year at undergrad. Thus, a candidate has less than a month to prepare almost a year’s worth of materials.

    The Law Society of Ireland then rescheduled the October sitting for the first week in November due to Level three restrictions in Dublin. Following the announcement of the whole country being put into Level three restrictions, the Law Society have failed to provide any information about when they plan to hold these exams and how they plan to do so. They have stated on their website:

    “Given the announcement by the Government on 5 October that the country is to move to Level 3 of its Plan for Living with Covid-19 for the next three weeks, the Law Society of Ireland has decided that it will not be possible to hold a physical sitting of the Final Examination First Part ('FE-1') in November.
    A decision to hold a physical examination was dependent on the country remaining at or below Level 2 of the Plan for Living with Covid-19.
    The Law Society is continuing work on the provision of an online examination and further information will provided early next week.”

    This is despite the Law Society first claiming on Monday that they would let us know what was happening by the end of this week. With under four weeks to the proposed date of the exams, they have failed to provide candidates with any timetable or information surrounding how such exams would take place. The absence of communication from the Law Society has created undue stress to candidates who have insufficient time to prepare and those who must inform their employers and take annual leave. I have friends who have been asked to quit their jobs due to their inability to clarify when their annual leave needs to be taken.

    We have now been living with COVID-19 for over six months. We have all adapted and overcome this challenge so far. All higher education institutions have risen to the challenge and managed to facilitate students online, including the Kings Inns entrance exams which were for our legal colleagues, barristers. The Law Society have had half a year to provide contingency plans and to consider alternative arrangements for the sitting of FE1s, yet have still provided no clarity to candidates. The Law Society continue to blatantly disregard the welfare of the future of their profession, choosing to update their own website rather than email candidates directly, causing students to anxiously refresh their website hoping for some relief and information. Emails are left ignored and unopened, and a student helpline set up to answer questions on the FE1s goes straight to a voicemail. Candidates have had calls ended multiple times when they call with a query about the FE1s.

    The reality is that people are going to end up losing their training contracts due to these delays. Training contracts are already notoriously difficult to obtain, especially having regard to the uncertain economic situation at present where many law firms are choosing to place a hold on recruitment. There are deadlines in our contracts and we may lose them over the Law Society not organising a sitting for us before these deadlines, and these delays will have a knock-on effect for people planning on sitting in March 2021 too, as they would have planned on starting their study after the October sitting.

    Rather than consider the dire situation many students face, the Law Society refuses to consider alternative means of examination such as open book exams, in order to promote the “integrity of the exams”.

    I ask that you write to the Law Society of Ireland and Ministers for Higher Education and Justice on my behalf to request adequate notice for these exams.

    If you are interested in seeing some more perspectives on the stress this is causing, please see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058049253&page=390

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Yours sincerely,

    [name]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭Katniss1998


    Dear Deputy,

    I am contacting you regarding the erroneous treatment of candidates sitting the Law Society of Ireland Final Entrance Examinations (FE-1s). The FE-1s take place in March and October annually. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, these exams were cancelled and postponed respectively.

    The FE1s are a demanding set of entrance exams to kickstart the process of qualifying as a solicitor in Ireland, in subjects already passed in an undergraduate law degree. The exams are both expensive and time-consuming, costing €100 each to take (and there are eight exams) as well as the cost of organising accommodation in Dublin for the duration of exams which are spread over two weeks. Due to their difficult nature, it is very challenging to work while studying for the FE1s at the best of times, considering the amount of annual leave required. So the choice is between working and trying to study at the same time or not working at all, which is financially impossible for many graduates.

    Two examinations were cancelled in March due to Covid 19 and rescheduled for August. This resulted in the announcement of the October sitting in September giving students only four weeks to prepare. In order to display the significance of this delay, typically a candidate will sit 4 exams per sitting, these exams are 3 hours long and equate to about 10 credits of undergraduate material each. This means that in each sitting, a candidate is covering approximately 40 credits of work, which is two thirds of a year at undergrad. Thus, a candidate has less than a month to prepare almost a year’s worth of materials.

    The Law Society of Ireland then rescheduled the October sitting for the first week in November due to Level three restrictions in Dublin. Following the announcement of the whole country being put into Level three restrictions, the Law Society have failed to provide any information about when they plan to hold these exams and how they plan to do so. They have stated on their website:

    “Given the announcement by the Government on 5 October that the country is to move to Level 3 of its Plan for Living with Covid-19 for the next three weeks, the Law Society of Ireland has decided that it will not be possible to hold a physical sitting of the Final Examination First Part ('FE-1') in November.
    A decision to hold a physical examination was dependent on the country remaining at or below Level 2 of the Plan for Living with Covid-19.
    The Law Society is continuing work on the provision of an online examination and further information will provided early next week.”

    This is despite the Law Society first claiming on Monday that they would let us know what was happening by the end of this week. With under four weeks to the proposed date of the exams, they have failed to provide candidates with any timetable or information surrounding how such exams would take place. The absence of communication from the Law Society has created undue stress to candidates who have insufficient time to prepare and those who must inform their employers and take annual leave. I have friends who have been asked to quit their jobs due to their inability to clarify when their annual leave needs to be taken.

    We have now been living with COVID-19 for over six months. We have all adapted and overcome this challenge so far. All higher education institutions have risen to the challenge and managed to facilitate students online, including the Kings Inns entrance exams which were for our legal colleagues, barristers. The Law Society have had half a year to provide contingency plans and to consider alternative arrangements for the sitting of FE1s, yet have still provided no clarity to candidates. The Law Society continue to blatantly disregard the welfare of the future of their profession, choosing to update their own website rather than email candidates directly, causing students to anxiously refresh their website hoping for some relief and information. Emails are left ignored and unopened, and a student helpline set up to answer questions on the FE1s goes straight to a voicemail. Candidates have had calls ended multiple times when they call with a query about the FE1s.

    The reality is that people are going to end up losing their training contracts due to these delays. Training contracts are already notoriously difficult to obtain, especially having regard to the uncertain economic situation at present where many law firms are choosing to place a hold on recruitment. There are deadlines in our contracts and we may lose them over the Law Society not organising a sitting for us before these deadlines, and these delays will have a knock-on effect for people planning on sitting in March 2021 too, as they would have planned on starting their study after the October sitting.

    Rather than consider the dire situation many students face, the Law Society refuses to consider alternative means of examination such as open book exams, in order to promote the “integrity of the exams”.

    I ask that you write to the Law Society of Ireland and Ministers for Higher Education and Justice on my behalf to request adequate notice for these exams.

    If you are interested in seeing some more perspectives on the stress this is causing, please see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058049253&page=390

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Yours sincerely,

    [name]

    I have emailed my TDs. Any ideas on who else to email?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    Dear Deputy,

    I am contacting you regarding the erroneous treatment of candidates sitting the Law Society of Ireland Final Entrance Examinations (FE-1s). The FE-1s take place in March and October annually. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, these exams were cancelled and postponed respectively.
    .
    .
    .
    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Yours sincerely,

    Thank you for sharing this, it's worded really well :)

    We could possibly send this on to the President of the LS? The Law School section really don't seem to care, so I'm not sure if the president will either, but someone did post in the facebook group before after emailing her and while the president didn't reply herself, she did send it onto the education officers and tell them to reply. So perhaps she may show an interest?


    I'm so worried about losing my training contract at this point. It takes so much work to secure a training contract and the market is already flooded with candidates yet to secure one. A few other posters have mentioned above, myself included, that a lot of us have a deadline of December 2020 in our TC's. Personally my contract states that the offer is conditional upon having completed all 8 FE1's before December 2020... so if something is not done about this ASAP our firms would be well within their rights to revoke our training contracts, it's seriously concerning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    Timetable is out. Same dates - first week of November.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Iso_123


    I just got a timetable for November online exams emailed to me by the LS!! starting 3rd November ending 13th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭channing90


    Emails are sent out the exams are going ahead in November, timetable is attached.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭awsah


    I cant believe they are keeping the same dates. I've lost a week of study 😭


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dliodoir2021


    Timetable attached


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    Very surprised they're going ahead in the first 2 weeks of November, very short notice for a whole new style of examination!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Law20213


    awsah wrote: »
    I cant believe they are keeping the same dates. I've lost a week of study ��

    I had feeling they do this so close to 6 clock! And the weekend so emails/phone calls go unanswered!

    They could have said this on Monday after the government announcement like!!typical


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    Law20213 wrote: »
    I had feeling they do this so close to 6 clock! And the weekend so emails/phone calls go unanswered!

    They could have said this on Monday after the government announcement like!!typical

    Every important email we get from them is sent at 6.00 on a Friday... classic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    Hahah the typical Friday news dump. A favourite of the political class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭Hazel774


    No information on whether we'll need laptops with webcams and strong wifi for 3 hours if we're being remotely supervised...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭StabiloLaw


    Hazel774 wrote: »
    No information on whether we'll need laptops with webcams and strong wifi for 3 hours if we're being remotely supervised...
    Not sure if this is any help to you, but I sat the online sitting in August (it was 100% fine) and we needed a laptop with a webcam and mic which had to be left on at all times, and we needed a phone with a camera to submit scans of our papers.

    I imagine it will be the same this time around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭WesternC123


    I can't believe they're still holding them the first week..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Law20213


    Hazel774 wrote: »
    No information on whether we'll need laptops with webcams and strong wifi for 3 hours if we're being remotely supervised...

    It’s shows that exams shouldn’t and didn’t need to be cancelled so needlessly and that guess what they could have been online the whole time!!


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