Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

05-10-2020 03:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

And you wonder why only Noxx shares your point of view?

And the majority of people in the country too.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:15PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And the majority of people in the country too.

Shh, they think this thread reflects reality

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:16PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why are they leaking their plans to the press before consulting with the government?? I'd consider that extremely malicious, and no way to conduct business.

Yeah, that's pretty unprofessional.

However, I am discussing their overall decisions, the ones that matter - aren't you?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:17PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Didn't see any dissections or crushings tbh, certainly not with any factual basis anyway. Just a load of pile ons and a wiki page with some unverifiable spiel about cushy numbers.

That's what happens when you try argue with an echo chamber I guess.

Keep talking about Belarus there sure

Look. 4 people died with positive PCR test in August in a country of 4,900,000.

34 people died with positive PCR test in September in a country of 4,900,000.

Now, on average over the last 2 months (and I am sure if July is added this wont change that much at all) 0.0003% of our population died with positive PCR test.

And you want hundreds of thousands to go on PUP, schools to shut down as teachers are pushing for (who ironically enough come across quite uneducated to be able to calculate or interpret risk) and hundreds of thousands confined to their homes because of these cushy numbers?

You might not want that. But NPHET think thats an adequate response. And you are eager to defend NPHET. so please, based on factual numbers outlined above, tell us why should we put 1 single 20 year old working in a corner coffee shop on PUP for minimum of 3 weeks, let alone 100,000+?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:19PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Yeah, that's pretty unprofessional.

However, I am discussing their overall decisions, the ones that matter - aren't you?

Do you think its possible that NPHET are doing other things quite unprofessionally also? Or thats their only short coming?

Rrrrrr2 · 05-10-2020 03:20PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Didn't see any dissections or crushings tbh, certainly not with any factual basis anyway. Just a load of pile ons and a wiki page with some unverifiable spiel about cushy numbers.

That's what happens when you try argue with an echo chamber I guess.

Keep talking about Belarus there sure

Of course you didn’t because you appear like the kind of person that doesn’t enjoying listening to other people.
I’m not sure what your confusion with the Belarus comparison is- it’s an autocracy where one opinion is allowed. Your constant dismissals mirror that kind of thinking

hynesie08 · 05-10-2020 03:20PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And the majority of people in the country too.

Do you honestly believe that the majority are in favour of measures that would see hundreds of thousands out of work, struggling to pay rent and bills on 300 a week, and the inevitable rise in homelessness, failed business and mental health issues that will come along with it?

weldoninhio · 05-10-2020 03:22PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

How so?

A tiny bit of power and they want to close the country down.

We know the mortality rate for Covid is 0.3%. We know it generally only effects those over 65 with chronic underlying conditions, bar a miniscule amount of outliers. Lockdown is a nuke to break open a peanut. Most people who get it won't ever know they had it.

PTH2009 · 05-10-2020 03:22PM

Whens the meeting of the legion of doom ?

05-10-2020 03:22PM

pure fear mongering stuff...

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/ireland-lockdown-health-chief-warns-of-levels-6-to-10-and-curfews-being-introduced/ar-BB19IwEi?li=BBr5KbJ

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:23PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that the majority are in favour of measures that would see hundreds of thousands out of work, struggling to pay rent and bills on 300 a week, and the inevitable rise in homelessness, failed business and mental health issues that will come along with it?

There is another thread on boards where 47% of respondents (over 220 people) think NPHET should be disbanded.

With the other 53% (Nox has voted here I assume) are in favour of keeping them.

Let alone tolerating more crazy restrictions.

RoryMac · 05-10-2020 03:23PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Yeah, that's pretty unprofessional.

However, I am discussing their overall decisions, the ones that matter - aren't you?

What would you call NPHET's handling of crisis in regards to nursing & care homes at the start of the pandemic? Making statements that the nursing homes restricting visitors wasn't something they would recommend?

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:25PM

rusty cole wrote: »

pure fear mongering stuff...

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/ireland-lockdown-health-chief-warns-of-levels-6-to-10-and-curfews-being-introduced/ar-BB19IwEi?li=BBr5KbJ

Professor Sam McConkey has warned that we could see curfews under a Level Six lockdown.

:rolleyes:

Sam McConkey must be Gerry Killeens brother.

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 03:27PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Shh, they think this thread reflects reality

I listened to a vox Pop on Radio 1 earlier. It appears based on a sample you and nox are wrong about the majority claim .

hynesie08 · 05-10-2020 03:27PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

There is another thread on boards where 47% of respondents (over 220 people) think NPHET should be disbanded.

With the other 53% (Nox has voted here I assume) are in favour of keeping them.

Let alone tolerating more crazy restrictions.

I don't want NPHET disbanded, their job is to focus solely on the medical side of things.

I'm not in favor of the government blindly taking their advice without having a shred of a workable plan, and then encouraging people to kick down on each other, while spouting ****e about "in this together"

Tenzor07 · 05-10-2020 03:29PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Professor Sam McConkey has warned that we could see curfews under a Level Six lockdown.:rolleyes:
Sam McConkey must be Gerry Killeens brother.

I wish they'd stop giving McConkey airtime! He's pursuing a zero covid strategy that just isn't workable for Ireland... I always put him on mute if I see him on TV..

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:29PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I don't want NPHET disbanded, their job is to focus solely on the medical side of things.

I'm not in favor of the government blindly taking their advice without having a shred of a workable plan, and then encouraging people to kick down on each other, while spouting ****e about "in this together"

In theory yes. In practice they are national public health emergency team.

Until there is an emergency, they really shouldnt be in existence. Waste of tax payers money.

Instead of focusing on medical side of things they should focus on how to improve our healthcare system

gmisk · 05-10-2020 03:32PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

There is another thread on boards where 47% of respondents (over 220 people) think NPHET should be disbanded.

With the other 53% (Nox has voted here I assume) are in favour of keeping them.

Let alone tolerating more crazy restrictions.

Boards.ie does not reflect real-life.....

If it did the president of ireland would be Peter Casey

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:32PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Look. 4 people died with positive PCR test in August in a country of 4,900,000.

34 people died with positive PCR test in September in a country of 4,900,000.

Now, on average over the last 2 months (and I am sure if July is added this wont change that much at all) 0.0003% of our population died with positive PCR test.

And you want hundreds of thousands to go on PUP, schools to shut down as teachers are pushing for (who ironically enough come across quite uneducated to be able to calculate or interpret risk) and hundreds of thousands confined to their homes because of these cushy numbers?

You might not want that. But NPHET think thats an adequate response. And you are eager to defend NPHET. so please, based on factual numbers outlined above, tell us why should we put 1 single 20 year old working in a corner coffee shop on PUP for minimum of 3 weeks, let alone 100,000+?

Before I say anything - I don't want any of it to be honest, none of it! I want normality, Im sure you do too but unfortunately that's not an option.

They are taking more into account than the ratio of deaths to overall population to be fair. What exactly they take into account is probably out there to be viewed in the form of meeting minutes. I am concerned from watching the trend in other countries where cases spike and the people go scrambling afterward. One thing I know of and that does worry me is - hospital staff levels - never been more absent staff in recent memory - mostly due to either waiting for tests, waiting for results, positive tests, close contacts etc. This massively affects the ability of the health service to function whether on covid or other diseases.

I am not arguing for level 5 restrictions or any level in particular, I am arguing against the vitriol NPHET are receiving.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I listened to a vox Pop on Radio 1 earlier. It appears based on a sample you and nox are wrong about the majority claim .

Was it newstalk by chance?

ThewhiteJesus · 05-10-2020 03:33PM

they can bring level 5 in all they like it won't be obeyed.
In fact it could start a riot

hynesie08 · 05-10-2020 03:36PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

they can bring level 5 in all they like it won't be obeyed.
In fact it could start a riot

Unfortunately, we don't do revolution very well in our country.......

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:38PM

rusty cole wrote: »

pure fear mongering stuff...

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/ireland-lockdown-health-chief-warns-of-levels-6-to-10-and-curfews-being-introduced/ar-BB19IwEi?li=BBr5KbJ

Absolutely, Dublin live is 50% lies 50% shrieking.

Tacitus Kilgore · 05-10-2020 03:38PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Unfortunately, we don't do revolution very well in our country.......

:pac:

No history of rebellion whatsoever sure

normanoffside · 05-10-2020 03:39PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why are they leaking their plans to the press before consulting with the government?? I'd consider that extremely malicious, and no way to conduct business.

Glynn and Nolan have been doing this for a few weeks now.

TomTomTim · 05-10-2020 03:40PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

they can bring level 5 in all they like it won't be obeyed.
In fact it could start a riot

You lads are seriously underestimating the docile nature of the Irish. People will bitch and moan online and at home, but little will happen. This would need to go on for years before the Irish would even consider a proper revolt.

hynesie08 · 05-10-2020 03:41PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

:pac:

No history of rebellion whatsoever sure

I didn't say we don't do it, I said we don't do it well.....

dubdaymo · 05-10-2020 03:42PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I am not arguing for level 5 restrictions or any level in particular, I am arguing against the vitriol NPHET are receiving.

They're receiving because they deserve it although it's probably not their fault. It's clear the whole business has blown their minds. Their intellect is paralysed, unable to think straight or with any common sense. They've been thinking Covid, Covid, Covid for month after month 24/7. They need to go away (or be sent) somewhere quiet and relaxing with appropriate medication to assist in their recovery.

Jizique · 05-10-2020 03:43PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Professor Sam McConkey has warned that we could see curfews under a Level Six lockdown.

:rolleyes:

Sam McConkey must be Gerry Killeens brother.

He wasn’t like that at the start but has definitely taken the cool-aid

Ginger n Lemon · 05-10-2020 03:43PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

You lads are seriously underestimating the docile nature of the Irish. People will bitch and moan online and at home, but little will happen. This would need to go on for years before the Irish would even consider a proper revolt.

Maybe.

But maybe those thousand people blocking Grafton street is a sign of things to come. You have to remember that mortgage breaks have expired just over 5 days ago. PUP has been reduced to 300 eurs just like 2 weeks ago or something recent? Give it time. A month or two, and that 15% of unemployed crowd (excludes Noxx as he has a job) will start getting agitated.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings