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Robert ninja · 01-10-2020 12:46pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

This is the main reason why I keep my consoles. I don't expect consoles data to transition from 1 generation to the next. PS4 and PS5 would have different OS's. Xbox One and Xbox Series are both off Windows 10 aren't they? So essentially their transferability should function similarly to PC gaming.

I can use saves from 1993 DOS doom on my current computer. I understand perhaps new versions like DMC special editions not having save transfers if they have new set of achievements, though. Just so they don't get a big dump of achievements upon loading the save :pac:

Markitron · 01-10-2020 1:09pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Yes, PS4 versions will be fine, but there's a question mark over any game that gets a free upgrade.

It's not a problem long term of course, once games are next gen exclusive this will stop being an issue, but for now it's just weird.

Back compat/cross-gen always seems to be all anyone talks about when new consoles are out for some reason, it always dies down after a year or so. But yea Sony are being really ****ing cryptic and weird with PS5.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 1:31pm

It's more important this time because there's nothing worth playing on the new consoles other than old games :pac:

Markitron · 01-10-2020 1:40pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's more important this time because there's nothing worth playing on the new consoles other than old games :pac:

So its exactly like every new console released after the N64 then

Robert ninja · 01-10-2020 1:49pm

I used a memory card device for the my original PS3 and played a ton of older games on it with my original saves. Unfortunately that console got stolen and since then cnsole support for their older systems is abysmal. Why can't you play literally every PS game on a PS4? Any technical reason is a lie and any cost:profit analysis for Sony's sake isn't my concern as a customer. Just one of the 100s of reasons I'm glad I dropped consoles after 7th gen.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 2:14pm

Markitron wrote: »

So its exactly like every new console released after the N64 then

You say that like the Dreamcast, Gamecube and PSP didn't have awesome launches.

Markitron · 01-10-2020 2:32pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You say that like the Dreamcast, Gamecube and PSP didn't have awesome launches.

I don't count handhelds, Rogue Squadron was the only good GC launch title and Soul Calibur does nothing for me.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 2:35pm

Handhelds are awesome, the DC had more than Soul Calibur and Luigi's mansion and especially super monkey ball are great :P

Actually think Rogue Squadron doesn't hold up well at all. Not much fun to play but was pretty at the time.

recyclops · 01-10-2020 2:59pm

I was under the impression I could boot up my ps5 on day one and just redownload all my ps4 games that I purchased on day one and just go back to where I was, is this not the case?

probably my own fault for assuming it would be i went and sold my ps4 in July or so as I didnt bother looking

quokula · 01-10-2020 3:04pm

recyclops wrote: »

I was under the impression I could boot up my ps5 on day one and just redownload all my ps4 games that I purchased on day one and just go back to where I was, is this not the case?

probably my own fault for assuming it would be i went and sold my ps4 in July or so as I didnt bother looking

Your PS4 games are probably fine, though it hasn't been confirmed for certain yet.

What has been confirmed is that PS5 versions of games that previously released on PS4 will not necessarily be compatible with the PS4 save.

quokula · 01-10-2020 3:06pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

I used a memory card device for the my original PS3 and played a ton of older games on it with my original saves. Unfortunately that console got stolen and since then cnsole support for their older systems is abysmal. Why can't you play literally every PS game on a PS4? Any technical reason is a lie and any cost:profit analysis for Sony's sake isn't my concern as a customer. Just one of the 100s of reasons I'm glad I dropped consoles after 7th gen.

Why can't I jam an Apple 2 floppy disc into my iPhone? Any technical explanation is a lie and was just a cost:profit analysis by Apple that it wasn't worth their investment.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 3:17pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

I used a memory card device for the my original PS3 and played a ton of older games on it with my original saves. Unfortunately that console got stolen and since then cnsole support for their older systems is abysmal. Why can't you play literally every PS game on a PS4? Any technical reason is a lie and any cost:profit analysis for Sony's sake isn't my concern as a customer. Just one of the 100s of reasons I'm glad I dropped consoles after 7th gen.

You've answered your own question. Writing an emulator, no matter what the people complaining about the Mario 3D All Stars game say :rolleyes:, is a difficult, long and expensive process. And Sony would be writing it so you can play the old games you already own and not sell you new ones. It doesn't make sense financial. And the PS3 being so fully functional didn't help that console sell.

Markitron · 01-10-2020 3:55pm

recyclops wrote: »

I was under the impression I could boot up my ps5 on day one and just redownload all my ps4 games that I purchased on day one and just go back to where I was, is this not the case?

You can absolutely do this, no is saying you can't. You will need PS plus to sync your saves though.

There is a lot of disinformation flying around this forum about the PS5 atm

Robert ninja · 01-10-2020 4:39pm

quokula wrote: »

Why can't I jam an Apple 2 floppy disc into my iPhone? Any technical explanation is a lie and was just a cost:profit analysis by Apple that it wasn't worth their investment.

Except the 'floppy disc' in PS is their Blu Ray drive which can 100% read the oldest DVDs and CD-ROMs around, including every standard disc game. All the digital games too, of course.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sony would be writing it so you can play the old games you already own and not sell you new ones. It doesn't make sense financial.

Exactly my point. What I'd expect (being able to play playstation games on a playstation console) is unprofitable to Sony. That is a disaster to me as a potential customer. I just looked through their store and old games have inconsistent compatibility. I see more PS3 compatibility than PS4. I was right to skip 8th gen.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 4:48pm

It's always bothered me paying for basic services and functionality like that just so you can take part in a hardware manufacturer's monopolistic store front that advertises to you.

Oh wait, it is free! On PC...

recyclops · 01-10-2020 5:04pm

Markitron wrote: »

You can absolutely do this, no is saying you can't. You will need PS plus to sync your saves though.

There is a lot of disinformation flying around this forum about the PS5 atm

Never paid for plus and aint going to start i suppose least stuff i have bought will show up

Potential-Monke · 02-10-2020 2:02am

I honestly think ye folk who demand/want backwards compatability are like the woke crowd, insofar as ye are small but vocal. I have access to loads of PS3 games on the PS4 via Now, and even though I loved some of those games, I've no interest in playing an old game on a newer console. Same with the PS5, no interest in playing older games on it, although it may be required due to a poor launch lineup. But even so, once the PS5 games start rolling in, I won't even fathom playing a PS4 or older game on it. Christ, I can't even play most "remasters" unless they did the Bluepoint or Toys for Bob route and completely remake older games.

Mr Crispy · 02-10-2020 2:19am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I honestly think ye folk who demand/want backwards compatability are like the woke crowd, insofar as ye are small but vocal. I have access to loads of PS3 games on the PS4 via Now, and even though I loved some of those games, I've no interest in playing an old game on a newer console. Same with the PS5, no interest in playing older games on it, although it may be required due to a poor launch lineup. But even so, once the PS5 games start rolling in, I won't even fathom playing a PS4 or older game on it. Christ, I can't even play most "remasters" unless they did the Bluepoint or Toys for Bob route and completely remake older games.

Dude, you really have a chip on your shoulder with this whole "woke" thing. What's that about?

Potential-Monke · 02-10-2020 7:03am

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Dude, you really have a chip on your shoulder with this whole "woke" thing. What's that about?

I hate being told what to do or say or think. It was just a reference anyway, not a dig at them, ie: I believe both the woke crowd and people who demand and/or use backwards compatibility are the same re: small but vocal. Don't read too much into it.

The Raging Bile Duct · 02-10-2020 7:41am

It's weird, I read more people giving out about people being woke than I read people actually being woke.

recyclops · 02-10-2020 7:58am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I hate being told what to do or say or think. It was just a reference anyway, not a dig at them, ie: I believe both the woke crowd and people who demand and/or use backwards compatibility are the same re: small but vocal. Don't read too much into it.

I just hate companies making people to buy the same product again even if they have bought it digitally from them before. Especially nowadays when people tend to not hang onto machines.

We know the technology is there so it's just a massive cash grab which is fairly ****e for your consumers.

I'd be as far from woke as you can get haha

Markitron · 02-10-2020 8:57am

I have found recently that 'woke' now just means a bunch of people that you disagree with rather than any kind of social/political affiliation.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 02-10-2020 9:08am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I hate being told what to do or say or think. It was just a reference anyway, not a dig at them, ie: I believe both the woke crowd and people who demand and/or use backwards compatibility are the same re: small but vocal. Don't read too much into it.

I think the emphasis on backwards compatibility is more reflection on how gamers have matured (bit of a contradiction, I know).

It was grand when we were all reliant on parents / santa to buy us consoles and games, and we didn't really care where the money for them came from, but as the average gamer ages up, you appreciate the investment you've made in your collection, so I dont think its unreasonable for folks to express a desire to have access to games they've sunk money into. We're also at a sort of crossroads now, where people have made a bit of a transition to having a digital library, and the idea of having that access curtailed, or worse yet, being forced to buy access via a 'remaster' or compatible version is quite rightly,objectionable.

gimli2112 · 02-10-2020 9:15am

Leaving the whole woke bit aside I agree with Potential. I don't play ex-gen games a lot. REsi 4 is a horror show for me personally with the controls. I like shiny and new. The only PS3 games I played to any great extent are probably the Dead Spaces

Retr0gamer · 02-10-2020 9:53am

Markitron wrote: »

I have found recently that 'woke' now just means a bunch of people that you disagree with rather than any kind of social/political affiliation.

It's the name you give to people calling you out for your intolerance/racism.

CatInABox · 02-10-2020 9:53am

In this case though, it's not really about backward compatibility (which is actually nice, the Witcher 2 and RDR are something else on the One X), but a lack of compatibility between the PS4 and any PS5 upgrades. Take, for instance, the Dirt 5 upgrade. If you're playing through that on your PS4, and then eventually upgrade to your PS5, then all your progress is lost? I find that incredible that people think that's acceptable.

How is the Cyberpunk upgrade going to go ahead? The upgrade won't be available on launch, so if you're playing the PS4 version on your PS5, will there come a day where suddenly you automatically get the upgrade and all your progress is gone? Or are you stuck playing the PS4 version while a better looking and performing version is out there?

It seems insane to me.

Markitron · 02-10-2020 9:57am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's the name you give to people calling you out for your intolerance/racism.

Edit: nm I think I misunderstood you here.

gimli2112 · 02-10-2020 10:02am

CatInABox wrote: »

but a lack of compatibility between the PS4 and any PS5 upgrades. It seems insane to me.

We had this already with TLOU and having to buy the remastered version on PS4. It's certainly not consumer friendly but if I want to upgrade a game bad enough I'll get it.
I don't accept that the practice would die if gimli2212 didn't do this.

Markitron · 02-10-2020 10:05am

CatInABox wrote: »

In this case though, it's not really about backward compatibility (which is actually nice, the Witcher 2 and RDR are something else on the One X), but a lack of compatibility between the PS4 and any PS5 upgrades. Take, for instance, the Dirt 5 upgrade. If you're playing through that on your PS4, and then eventually upgrade to your PS5, then all your progress is lost? I find that incredible that people think that's acceptable.

How is the Cyberpunk upgrade going to go ahead? The upgrade won't be available on launch, so if you're playing the PS4 version on your PS5, will there come a day where suddenly you automatically get the upgrade and all your progress is gone? Or are you stuck playing the PS4 version while a better looking and performing version is out there?

It seems insane to me.

I am fairly confident CPDR would be able to provide a solution, they have cross-saves between the Switch and PC for The Witcher

Mr Crispy · 02-10-2020 10:05am

gimli2112 wrote: »

We had this already with TLOU and having to buy the remastered version on PS4. It's certainly not consumer friendly but if I want to upgrade a game bad enough I'll get it.
I don't accept that the practice would die if gimli2212 didn't do this.

Wait... There's a gimli2112 and a gimli2212? :eek:

quokula · 02-10-2020 10:15am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I think the emphasis on backwards compatibility is more reflection on how gamers have matured (bit of a contradiction, I know).

It was grand when we were all reliant on parents / santa to buy us consoles and games, and we didn't really care where the money for them came from, but as the average gamer ages up, you appreciate the investment you've made in your collection, so I dont think its unreasonable for folks to express a desire to have access to games they've sunk money into. We're also at a sort of crossroads now, where people have made a bit of a transition to having a digital library, and the idea of having that access curtailed, or worse yet, being forced to buy access via a 'remaster' or compatible version is quite rightly,objectionable.

My experience is completely the opposite - as a child I would get one or two games a year maybe and I really had to play them to death. As a student I could buy more, but I had to make an effort to save. As an adult I know I can buy any game I want, whenever I want. Compared to pretty much any other hobby or expense in life, gaming is incredibly cheap. And I have such limited free time, which is a far larger barrier than cost, so I'm not going to waste it playing older stuff that's not up to modern standards.

Retr0gamer · 02-10-2020 10:20am

quokula wrote: »

My experience is completely the opposite - as a child I would get one or two games a year maybe and I really had to play them to death. As a student I could buy more, but I had to make an effort to save. As an adult I know I can buy any game I want, whenever I want. Compared to pretty much any other hobby or expense in life, gaming is incredibly cheap. And I have such limited free time, which is a far larger barrier than cost, so I'm not going to waste it playing older stuff that's not up to modern standards.

I've taken the opposite approach. Most triple A new games are not up to the quality of most old games so I've decided not to waste my time on any more ubisoft cookie cutter triple A games and concentrate on indie and older games. New games get played if they are exceptional and/or interesting enough to be worth my time.

gimli2112 · 02-10-2020 10:57am

People like different things. I put huge time into one or two games at a time. Something like COD or the Division. I really like that stuff but it's not for everyone. As long as your having fun who cares. Although in the case of cod fun seems to be pushing your stress levels beyond belief in an attempt to achieve an unlikely event.
For some reason Battlefield 4 made me incredibly angry and yet I absolutely loved it.

Markitron · 02-10-2020 11:21am

gimli2112 wrote: »

People like different things. I put huge time into one or two games at a time. Something like COD or the Division.

I pretty much just play story-driven games now myself, anything with a multiplayer focus is usually a huge turn off.

Retr0gamer · 02-10-2020 11:41am

Markitron wrote: »

I pretty much just play story-driven games now myself, anything with a multiplayer focus is usually a huge turn off.

Multiplayer and forever/service games for me as well. They don't have the content to actually keep you playing so substitute it for skinner box mechanics that actively waste your time.

I make the exception for some co-op games but it's more an opportunity to catch up with mates. I'd never play them with randomers.

Markitron · 02-10-2020 11:46am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Multiplayer and forever/service games for me as well. They don't have the content to actually keep you playing so substitute it for skinner box mechanics that actively waste your time.

I make the exception for some co-op games but it's more an opportunity to catch up with mates. I'd never play them with randomers.

Same, I might make an exception for that new Star Wars game but that is probably because I am desperate for anything even slightly resembling a new X-Wing/TIE Fighter game.

Retr0gamer · 02-10-2020 11:53am

Markitron wrote: »

Same, I might make an exception for that new Star Wars game but that is probably because I am desperate for anything even slightly resembling a new X-Wing/TIE Fighter game.

*cough* Ace Combat 7 *cough*

*cough* Just play it with the advanced controls, it sucks with the easy control scheme *cough*

Markitron · 02-10-2020 12:23pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

*cough* Ace Combat 7 *cough*

*cough* Just play it with the advanced controls, it sucks with the easy control scheme *cough*

Played and loved it, but its not gonna scratch my X-Wing itch.

daheadonu · 02-10-2020 8:06pm

silent hill 4 available on gog for a tenner

Zero-Cool · 02-10-2020 8:41pm

daheadonu wrote: »

silent hill 4 available on gog for a tenner

I kind of remember some awful backtracking in it but the actual room bits were so good.

Potential-Monke · 02-10-2020 8:47pm

I think people got a bit too caught up but the woke comment, I'm not comparing ye to the woke crowd, just saying that similar to the small but vocal minority of woke people, the people wanting BC are a small but vocal crowd. I just shouldn't have tried to make any reference. Point: the people wanting BC are a small but vocal minority.

And I've no issues with having to start again. I've platinumed Spiderman, there's no reason for me to play it again on PS4. But if I get the PS5 version, I have to start again, and while trophies and achievements are not the main thing I look for in a game (well, I don't look at all unless they're doable without too much effort, ie: no online crap), but them popping again on my PS5 may make me finish it again.

Just me though, I'm forward looking. The past is the past and I find playing older games on current systems destroys the memory of that game and it won't live up to it. Unlike proper remasters like Spyro, Crash, RE2, FFVIII, etc where they do make the game from the ground up again and make it look modern, most remasters are just slightly better graphics with no improvement to the then-grand-nowadays-not-so-grand controls/camera.

The only games I've played back through multiple times are the Legacy of Kain series (from Soul Reaver on, and not including Blood Omen 2, once was enough for that). I tried playing back through the Uncharted HD games, got bored half way through the second one. Most games are best left in the memory imo.

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Anyway, back to News. This leaker has some good news about PS5 BC apparantly: https://www.laptopmag.com/news/ps5-backwards-compatibility-may-be-better-than-expected-look-out-xbox-series-x

"PS5 boost mode enabled"

Mr Crispy · 02-10-2020 10:51pm

FFS, Ubi. 25% of Ubisoft Employees Witnessed Workplace Misconduct in Past Two Years - GamesIndustry.biz

WTF, Activision. "Gallery of the Gamer"

Temptamperu · 02-10-2020 11:18pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

FFS, Ubi. 25% of Ubisoft Employees Witnessed Workplace Misconduct in Past Two Years - GamesIndustry.biz

WTF, Activision. "Gallery of the Gamer"

Im still not buying Valhalla

Markitron · 03-10-2020 7:25am

Temptamperu wrote: »

Im still not buying Valhalla

I'm getting it second hand and not buying any DLC etc, I bought every other AC game at or close to full price.

Its not much of a **** you to them but at least its something.

BlitzKrieg · 03-10-2020 7:57pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

WTF, Activision. "Gallery of the Gamer"

I ****ing hate everything about this.

PopePalpatine · 03-10-2020 8:07pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

WTF, Activision. "Gallery of the Gamer"

Ugh, I could just taste the Mountain Dew when I read that line.

Zero-Cool · 03-10-2020 9:38pm

More death threats to devs for upsetting 'fans'

https://twitter.com/bryanintihar/status/1312477421862412288?s=19

Vicxas · 03-10-2020 9:41pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

More death threats to devs for upsetting 'fans'

https://twitter.com/bryanintihar/status/1312477421862412288?s=19

Jesus christ, what is wrong with this world.

Mr Crispy · 03-10-2020 9:53pm

Personally, I think the change is fine, but I get it that some people prefer the original... But Jesus, that's fucked up.

Retr0gamer · 03-10-2020 10:33pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

More death threats to devs for upsetting 'fans'

https://twitter.com/bryanintihar/status/1312477421862412288?s=19

I'm usually totally against sending death threats to developers but with ray tracing you'd expect they'd have better puddles by now.

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