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New Era · 30-09-2020 03:51PM

Former Minister for education, Joe McHugh has an awful lot of questions to answer after this catastrophic error that has untold consequences.

FF will take the blame and hit, but FG should be very concerned also with Mr McHugh who performed disgracefully, with his lack of compassion to students and of course was responsible for this now dysfunctional and now discredited calculated points system. Unfortunately though McHugh is no longer a TD or a member of Dail Eireann, so that seemingly rules himself out of any accountability on his part, which is wrong.

Hopefully public anger should be directed towards the former Donegal deputy, absolutely despised the man while as a minister really didn't like his attitude, a bit full of himself IMO.

I agree the whole fiasco casts massive doubt over the legitimacy of LC2020 results. The actual exams themselves begin in November, for those that didn't get the results that they wanted for, to go to college.

Could we see LC2020 results being declared null and void? I really feel exceptionally sorry for the students and God only knows what they are thinking at this time.

castletownman · 30-09-2020 03:56PM

Karmic really. Far too hasty cancelling the Leaving altogether.

Any exam setting I have ever been in have practised social distancing well before it became a buzzword. Most of the schools would be unused anyway during the Leaving exams, so just increase the number of rooms being used in the building if required.

Given the "I want" culture we have nowadays, I'm sure they won't be duly affected too much anyway.

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 03:59PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I'm watching too and she said places will be made available where possible. These places won't be possible

Be some court cases coming up

probably, its not a resigning issue for her though
This is a never travelled before road
To be fair she and the 2 department officials are answering all the questions asked
I'm getting a vibe that they're thinking some affected will want to stay in the course they accepted and the number involved will be reduced by those affected already having got their 1st cao preference

It'll be another few days before they know because the cao system has to get the new results
As a crisis there doesn't seem to be any effort to fudge anything going on the presser
I'm very impressed with the detail the 2 civil servants are going into to be honest
Its fascinating me

Floppybits · 30-09-2020 04:02PM

castletownman wrote: »

Karmic really. Far too hasty cancelling the Leaving altogether.

Any exam setting I have ever been in have practised social distancing well before it became a buzzword. Most of the schools would be unused anyway during the Leaving exams, so just increase the number of rooms being used in the building if required.

Given the "I want" culture we have nowadays, I'm sure they won't be duly affected too much anyway.

I couldn't understand why the LC exams were cancelled, there were plenty of places that could have hosted the exams and observed social distancing. This all stems back to the lack of action that the each government department took when the lock down was implemented in March. It seems that when the lockdown was announced a lot of the public services put their feet up instead of looking at introducing the guidelines that would need to implemented for opening up. Just look at the mess with the masks, that should have been the first thing that mandatory for indoors and public transport, if that hadve happened they could have opened schools for LC students only and had the exams.

I know the buck stops with the Minister but really this is a systemic failure from top to bottom of the public services. I do feel for the Minister here, she inherited a mess.

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:02PM

New Era wrote: »

Former Minister for education, Joe McHugh has an awful lot of questions to answer after this catastrophic error that has untold consequences.

FF will take the blame and hit, but FG should be very concerned also with Mr McHugh who performed disgracefully, with his lack of compassion to students and of course was responsible for this now dysfunctional and now discredited calculated points system. Unfortunately though McHugh is no longer a TD or a member of Dail Eireann, so that seemingly rules himself out of any accountability on his part, which is wrong.

Hopefully public anger should be directed towards the former Donegal deputy, absolutely despised the man while as a minister really didn't like his attitude, a bit full of himself IMO.

I agree the whole fiasco casts massive doubt over the legitimacy of LC2020 results. The actual exams themselves begin in November, for those that didn't get the results that they wanted for, to go to college.

Could we see LC2020 results being declared null and void? I really feel exceptionally sorry for the students and God only knows what they are thinking at this time.

They will have to do something ASAP (They will prob have an enquiry lasting years), as was asked in the Press Conference What about the students with the CORRECT GRADES who missed out on courses to those whos GRADES WERE BOOSTED?

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:03PM

Nobotty wrote: »

probably, its not a resigning issue for her though
This is a never travelled before road
To be fair she and the 2 department officials are answering all the questions asked
I'm getting a vibe that they're thinking some affected will want to stay in the course they accepted and the number involved will be reduced by those affected already having got their 1st cao preference

It'll be another few days before they know because the cao system has to get the new results
As a crisis there doesn't seem to be any effort to fudge anything going on the presser
I'm very impressed with the detail the 2 civil servants are going into to be honest
Its fascinating me

Thats the last thing, I think anyone is about whats come out in the last few hours.

Impressed, a bunch of ****ing cowboys

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 04:06PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They will have to do something ASAP (They will prob have an enquiry lasting years), as was asked in the Press Conference What about the students with the CORRECT GRADES who missed out on courses to those whos GRADES WERE BOOSTED?

They answered that by saying anyone who gets a new eligible points total gets a place
Those already there even with points they shouldn't have had stay in their course
The problem then becomes the colleges
Its going to cost them as the government will have to give the colleges extra funding

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:08PM

Nobotty wrote: »

They answered that by saying anyone who gets a new eligible points total gets a place
Those already there even with points they shouldn't have had stay in their course
The problem then becomes the colleges
Its going to cost them as the government will have to give the colleges extra funding

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311335366348222467?s=19

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311336246917111809?s=19

Bare in mind they knew this a week ago and had 'planned the press conference' for 4pm anyway before Alan Kelly spoke.

Arre you still impressed?

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:11PM

Nobotty 54 posts and all defending the Govt haha

New Era · 30-09-2020 04:14PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Nobotty 54 posts and all defending the Govt haha

Look at the name Nobotty and if that doesn't ring a bell, then I don't know what will.

On a separate note what chances now of a snap general election this year? Will we govt cohesiveness on this issue because if not, we could be heading back to the polls again this year!

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 04:20PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311335366348222467?s=19

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311336246917111809?s=19

Bare in mind they knew this a week ago and had 'planned the press conference' for 4pm anyway before Alan Kelly spoke.

Arre you still impressed?

They knew the code error was there a week ago but not its effect
A week ago an unknown affect might have turned out to be immaterial
It does take several days for that to be audited,they actually went into detail on that and yes I am impressed with the response
I'm not praising the situation
We are where we are this year on this pandemic and playing politics with this part of it would be stupid given how complicated this all is
Under the circumstances, it was remarkable that we got as far as we did with the leaving given the college start deadlines
This coding error would have happened under any minister

I do agree with the other poster that said the leaving cert could have went ahead in wide open empty buildings but there would have been plenty rows and objections

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 04:26PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Nobotty 54 posts and all defending the Govt haha

you won't find me defending the government, I was asked earlier today to wade in
You have no answers for me
I don't know how many posts I have but apart from this leaving cert thing I know I'm anything other than a government defender
I've no time for tit for unnessary tat

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:40PM

Nobotty wrote: »

you won't find me defending the government, I was asked earlier today to wade in
You have no answers for me
I don't know how many posts I have but apart from this leaving cert thing I know I'm anything other than a government defender
I've no time for tit for unnessary tat

The Minister and Govt knew about it last week, were trying to come up with a plan and a way to explain it without looking like gob****es again.
Alan Kelly obvs got wind of this, it all came out and they had a press conference with no answers.

No numbers of students affected, why wasn't CEO 2nd round offers stopped when they knew about this, what happens people who got the correct results but lost out to people who got inflated results? What happens people who settled on second choice but now can get their first choice?

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 04:52PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The Minister and Govt knew about it last week, were trying to come up with a plan and a way to explain it without looking like gob****es again.
Alan Kelly obvs got wind of this, it all came out and they had a press conference with no answers.

No numbers of students affected, why wasn't CEO 2nd round offers stopped when they knew about this, what happens people who got the correct results but lost out to people who got inflated results? What happens people who settled on second choice but now can get their first choice?

That last bit,the CAO has just announced they can accept the new offer and defer if they want
Id defer rather than have a year of college experience like students are now
The first bit we won't know for a few days
The 2nd round going out looks like the CAO weren't informed but they're only delaying the 3rd round tomorrow by a few hours so it looks like the CAO are confident that they will have no implications other than give new people some good news
I'm answering questions like a guidance counsellor

Continuing bad news on the c19 numbers
I'm moving on to that now

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 04:53PM

Oh it's coning out now that Martin never told Leo or Ryan about it until yesterday haha

James Brown · 30-09-2020 05:27PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Seriously? Civil servants, then the minister were informed of a coding error but not the impact
You Seriously expect a t.d to read and understand a code and to be checking it in a neverused before newly invented code?
Jesus
This has nothing to do with any of the other things you mentioned

Do you suggest Pascal, Harris et al studied construction before having responsibility for the NCH over run?
Your reasoning is silly.

FYI: The minister for education is responsible for overseeing educational matters.

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 05:52PM

Bowie wrote: »

Do you suggest Pascal, Harris et al studied construction before having responsibility for the NCH over run?
Your reasoning is silly.

FYI: The minister for education is responsible for overseeing educational matters.

Its your reasoning thats silly
No minister gets to drill into software,they hire experts to do that
The experts wrote a programme that did something never tried before and there's been a glitch
If pearse Doherty was in charge, the exact same thing would have happened
The hands up with the fix is very helpful IMO
The first part of your post has nothing to do with this

smurgen · 30-09-2020 06:11PM

No sign of Brendy, johnnyflash etc. These lads only roll out to spin old wives tales of 50 years ago. Predictable.

Higgins5473 · 30-09-2020 06:14PM

smurgen wrote: »

No sign of Brendy, johnnyflash etc. These lads only roll out to spin old wives tales of 50 years ago. Predictable.

His/their shift seems to be outside of 5pm-9pm

smurgen · 30-09-2020 06:15PM

So seems like they knew of the issue before the CAO process was finished? Christ.

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 06:16PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Its your reasoning thats silly
No minister gets to drill into software,they hire experts to do that
The experts wrote a programme that did something never tried before and there's been a glitch
If pearse Doherty was in charge, the exact same thing would have happened
The hands up with the fix is very helpful IMO
The first part of your post has nothing to do with this

I suppose there is some merit in that while you blamed somebody else you didn't blame the Shinners for this one.

JohnnyFlash · 30-09-2020 06:20PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

His/their shift seems to be outside of 5pm-9pm

Was down at the club playing 9 holes, dude.

McMurphy · 30-09-2020 06:25PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Was down at the club playing 9 holes, dude.

On an evening like that John?:eek:

Hope you had a poncho handy.

JohnnyFlash · 30-09-2020 06:28PM

McMurphy wrote: »

On an evening like that John?:eek:

Hope you had a poncho handy.

I love nothing more than a good wet and windy day to play golf, Murph. Nothing better.

FrancieBrady · 30-09-2020 06:58PM

WW getting it right in August.

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/08/18/leaving-cert-students-assured-results-will-be-messed-up-in-a-different-way-to-uk/

Nobotty · 30-09-2020 07:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I suppose there is some merit in that while you blamed somebody else you didn't blame the Shinners for this one.

That would be Tats job or is it Tit

O'Laoghaire was good today on this if I'm scoring and he didn't have the luxury of 2 sharp civil servants beside him

Higgins5473 · 30-09-2020 07:13PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Was down at the club playing 9 holes, dude.

9 holes in spilling rain and getting dark. You’d normally question the rationale behind it but it’s just an almighty load of bollocks like the rest of what you claim to be.

At least say it was 18 and the weather turned.

dundalkfc10 · 30-09-2020 07:25PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Was down at the club playing 9 holes, dude.

You should have took Norma with you. She had a bad auld evening in the car crash press conference and laughable six one performance

JohnnyFlash · 30-09-2020 08:12PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

9 holes in spilling rain and getting dark. You’d normally question the rationale behind it but it’s just an almighty load of bollocks like the rest of what you claim to be.

At least say it was 18 and the weather turned.

Calm down, dude. I played 9 holes of golf down the club. Played well btw.

It’s not my issue if you don’t believe me.

James Brown · 30-09-2020 08:44PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Its your reasoning thats silly
No minister gets to drill into software,they hire experts to do that
The experts wrote a programme that did something never tried before and there's been a glitch
If pearse Doherty was in charge, the exact same thing would have happened
The hands up with the fix is very helpful IMO
The first part of your post has nothing to do with this

An education minister does not need to know coding, tap dancing or who shot J.R. to be responsible for what goes on in her department.

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