Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Graces7 wrote: »

Actually we would as we have lived through worse than this and have a great deal of common sense and endurance.

NB your post makes little sense as we are confined ??? To protect us from infection.

Not seen many of us breaking loose and hitting the town either! Imagine if we reacted as younger folk are doing!!! lol... Walking sticks at the ready!

Have a read about the plague in Eyam? A whole town went into quarantine to prevent it spreading to other palace and many of them died by doing so, of all generations.

Old folk value life. And know there is more to life than travelling etc. such as life itself.

OK I am off; things to do and life to live, even in a cocoon!

Stay safe; stay well!

Hit and run again???

We have not lived through worse. We're not over 100 years old.
You have not seen 'many of us' breaking loose? Have you been out and about in any town recently? Most older people are back out in the real world.

As for Eyam, yet again you mentioned it, it's completely irrelevant to today.

Please don't purport to speak for all older people , as you don't seem to know what is typical. Most older people want to get back to living, most are aware and trying their best to keep to safe practices but some are being irresponsible too.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I can assure you we are not all in this together and when all this has to be paid for that will become very apparent.

Yep, let's put any emergency 40% tax on all pension payments in the state straight away. Public and private.

Young people are being financially crippled by this even though it doesn't really have an impact on them.

Those most at risk, which is still very, very low risk, are suffering little, if any, financial pain.

Yet, "we are all in this together". :rolleyes:

pjohnson wrote: »

I thought the hysteria from this thread would calm down for a while without its ringleader but nope. Just morphing into more conspiracy instead.

Well PJ with all due respect its hard to justify September lockdowns when car accidents account for more deaths than covid since July...... and people been banging Ro Ro drum that more cases lead to more deaths since end of August... hasnt materialised, at all, we are in October next week.

Some weeks it felt like missing bodies found in Blackrock park etc. accounted for more deaths than covid.

road_high wrote: »

Christmas bonus tab will be eye watering this year with all the extra people they’ve forced into social welfare - I’d say it’ll be in the 0.5 billion range alone - all money we’ll have to borrow

Coalition TDs urge ministers to fund Christmas welfare bonus
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/coalition-tds-urge-ministers-to-fund-christmas-welfare-bonus-39563876.html

A bonus? In recession? WTF. Pure madness.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Funny thing is it's only long term wasters on the dole that get the Christmas bonus. The poor sap who lost his job a few months ago doesn't get.
It's kind of funny a bonus for sitting on your ass for longer than 15 months.
Before it's said not all pensioners spent their lives working, many moved from long term dole to the non contributery pension.

If they’re paying it to all the long term wasters they’ll have to pay it to anyone on welfare because of Covid - politically the pressure to do so will be massive.
I have zero sympathy for the government or useless Donohoe- they’ve painted us into this corner with their hysterical overreactions and now they’re going to have to own the crippling consequences

Comical if wasn’t so serious are Donohoe’s comments to banks to ask them to deal more “sensitively” with people that can’t meet loan repayments.

There is big trouble brewing here.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Dublin and Donegal shouldn't be paying any motor tax right now

Ha! How do you work that one out? Donegal has one of the poorest public transport infrastructures in the country. It's also mainly rural. People need their cars to get anywhere.

Graces7 wrote: »

We are all in this together. It is not about "you"; but about " us"

Make no mistake, it is about you. It is all about you.

Everything being done about this virus is about you, because it damn sure isn't of any help to me. The stats and figures are very clear at this point, we all know exactly who is at risk here, we all know that outside of a certain demographic the chances of this virus harming us is minuscule. It says it all that the most common symptom of the virus is to be perfectly healthy and not even know you have it.

People denigrate the Irish as gombeens that can't even follow restrictions, while ignoring the fact that the vast, vast majority of people actually are following those restrictions despite knowing full well that they have no risk from the damn virus themselves.

I'm not scared of the virus, personally I couldn't give a toss about it. But I care about others so I take the measures I need to take. Just don't tell me that I'm doing it for us or that we are "in this together", because we aren't. We are doing it for "you".

road_high wrote: »

If they’re paying it to all the long term wasters they’ll have to pay it to anyone on welfare because of Covid - politically the pressure to do so will be massive.
I have zero sympathy for the government or useless Donohoe- they’ve painted us into this corner with their hysterical overreactions and now they’re going to have to own the crippling consequences

Sadly, we'll be the one owning the consequences. Like with the banks.

Donohue and his ilk will slink on off into well paid jobs in the private sector or off to his fat pension paid for by us.

Or both.

hmmm wrote: »

We should see news on vaccines in November/December. In December/January, a small amount of vaccine might be available for high-risk people e.g. ICU staff.
Sometime early next year we will begin to see cheap and quick testing becoming fairly widespread. This won't solve it, but it will make some things a lot safer (e.g. travel).
We should have better treatments at the same time. A lot of science has been done for vaccines, treatments and tests, the issue now is our ability to manufacture at scale.
Around the middle to the end of next year we will see widespread availability of vaccines.

This won't end overnight, we'll gradually get better at finding it and reducing the number of outbreaks. Winter is going to be the hardest bit, but I'd say by the end of next year it will mostly be fading concern - but we will still have a few restrictions remaining e.g. wearing masks in shops, testing before travel, limits on large gatherings indoors.

And then we have the aftermath. Right now the entire national and global effort — human interaction, commerce, politics etc — are all absolutely geared towards this one issue. Once the virus itself subsides, we will then have to face into the socioeconomic realities inherent in downgrading other important considerations to lesser priority. Should it really be late 2021 by the time we have a vaccine, and we have continued with the on-off lockdown/restriction approach, many of those socioeconomic problems will be truly dire.

Covid will likely be in the papers for years to come because pretty much every economic, political, social, demographic trend which develops over the course of this decade will likely have been either initiated or heavily influenced by the crisis. The silver lining is that even in the midst of the upheaval that will follow the virus, at least we will start to see life returning to some form of normality. That in itself will feel like an enormous recovery. But there is no point kidding ourselves into thinking this is just some isolated event we will walk away from. The young people who will more or less have lost a year or almost 2 years of the full enjoyment of youth will not have some great reward or compensation to look forward to — they will be the ones paying the bill.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Make no mistake, it is about you. It is all about you.

Everything being done about this virus is about you, because it damn sure isn't of any help to me. The stats and figures are very clear at this point, we all know exactly who is at risk here, we all know that outside of a certain demographic the chances of this virus harming us is minuscule. It says it all that the most common symptom of the virus is to be perfectly healthy and not even know you have it.

People denigrate the Irish as gombeens that can't even follow restrictions, while ignoring the fact that the vast, vast majority of people actually are following those restrictions despite knowing full well that they have no risk from the damn virus themselves.

I'm not scared of the virus, personally I couldn't give a toss about it. But I care about others so I take the measures I need to take. Just don't tell me that I'm doing it for us or that we are "in this together", because we aren't. We are doing it for "you".

Are there only the two of ye in the country?

This is the kind of thing you are dealing with

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/co-donegal-hotel-offers-2-rooms-to-locals-to-circumvent-covid-19-outdoor-dining-rules-1.4365587