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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #8252
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,528 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, but then I can't picture a Democrat offering Trump a similar kind of courtesy or civility also. He faces unrelenting hostility 24/7.

    That's not true. Obama and his administration were very cooperative during the transition. The Trump transition team was a bit of a mess though - 2 days into the transition Chris Christie was fired by Trump as chair of the transition team.


  • #8253
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,574 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The topics for the first debate are:

    - The Trump and Biden Records
    - The Supreme Court
    - Covid-19
    - The Economy
    - Race and Violence in our Cities
    - The Integrity of the Election

    https://www.debates.org/2020/09/22/moderator-announces-topics-for-first-presidential-debate-2/

    I wonder are there any of these topics that will make much of a dent in either man. 3&4 are probably the ones most likely still unsur win the minds of a swing voter but who knows I mean personally I cant believe this election could have a swing voter


  • #8254
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,528 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/

    aggregated data from multiple polls on RCP show Clinton polled far higher against Donald trump across the entire election timeline than Joe Biden is. My point stands, they're closer.
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    That has Biden at +6.5 while Clinton was +2.9 with 39 days to go before election?

    Are you going to correct your post on this?


  • #8255
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, but then I can't picture a Democrat offering Trump a similar kind of courtesy or civility also. He faces unrelenting hostility 24/7.

    really? Obama letter to trump was pretty gracious.
    Dear Mr. President -
    Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.
    This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.
    First, we've both been blessed, in different ways, with great good fortune. Not everyone is so lucky. It's up to us to do everything we can (to) build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard.
    Second, American leadership in this world really is indispensable. It's up to us, through action and example, to sustain the international order that's expanded steadily since the end of the Cold War, and upon which our own wealth and safety depend.
    Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions -- like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties -- that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it's up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.
    And finally, take time, in the rush of events and responsibilities, for friends and family. They'll get you through the inevitable rough patches.
    Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in any ways which we can.
    Good luck and Godspeed,
    BO


  • #8256
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    Maybe not. Or maybe his staff will act like Bill's when they trashed the place before Dubyas crowd got in?

    source?


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  • #8257
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    source?

    I mean it's pretty much common knowledge but if you weren't around at the time I can see why it wouldn't be known

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-jun-12-na-clinton12-story.html


  • #8258
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    I mean it's pretty much common knowledge but if you weren't around at the time I can see why it wouldn't be known

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-jun-12-na-clinton12-story.html

    is that it? that is "thrashed"? wear and tear and some pranks?


  • #8259
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    is that it? that is "thrashed"? wear and tear and some pranks?

    15k worth of damage, 20 years ago so bump that figure up for modern audiences. Seems a fair description to me. Funny how it's never happened since...


  • #8260
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    15k worth of damage, 20 years ago so bump that figure up for modern audiences. Seems a fair description to me. Funny how it's never happened since...

    for a team of 500 people so $30 a head? you're going to **** a brick when you find out how trump leaves the white house.


  • #8261
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,528 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    15k worth of damage, 20 years ago so bump that figure up for modern audiences. Seems a fair description to me. Funny how it's never happened since...

    About $21k adjusted for inflation. That's not very much really. Some pranks and office wear and tear. I've worked in offices where one team has vacated and another taken their place and missing keyboards, missing screens, broken chairs etc are pretty common in such movements. Some pranks also thrown in.

    Also note the controversial nature of that election and I'd imagine a few of the Gore staff were pissed off and took out their frustration. Overall hardly anything to get wound up about.


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  • #8262
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Tut Tut

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8766955/Hunter-Biden-sent-money-people-ties-Eastern-European-prostitution-GOP-report-alleges.html

    Dear oh dear

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-senators-report-on-hunter-biden-treasury-records-show-potential-criminal-activity-links-to-eastern-european-prostitution-or-human-trafficking-ring/ar-BB19lr8s?li=BBnbfcL
    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I wonder will Joe shut down his campaign today early yet again. He needs to start bringing some energy to his tilt at the office.

    Come on mannnnnnnn!!!
    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Biden will need to hire a mortician to get him ready for the debates

    Low energy Joe.
    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Can't see how Joe will function without a teleprompter tbh.


    Mod: You were given fair warning. Don't post in the thread again.


  • #8263
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, but then I can't picture a Democrat offering Trump a similar kind of courtesy or civility also. He faces unrelenting hostility 24/7.

    You mean like the one Obama left for him??
    Dear Mr. President -
    Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.
    This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.
    First, we've both been blessed, in different ways, with great good fortune. Not everyone is so lucky. It's up to us to do everything we can (to) build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard.
    Second, American leadership in this world really is indispensable. It's up to us, through action and example, to sustain the international order that's expanded steadily since the end of the Cold War, and upon which our own wealth and safety depend.
    Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions -- like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties -- that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it's up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.
    And finally, take time, in the rush of events and responsibilities, for friends and family. They'll get you through the inevitable rough patches.
    Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in any ways which we can.
    Good luck and Godspeed,


  • #8264
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do any of the trump supporters think that he has the class to write a letter like this to his successor?
    Eism7XpXsAIZ7vi?format=jpg&name=900x900

    are you really judging trump on something he may do/not do in the future?


  • #8265
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,967 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    are you really judging trump on something he may do/not do in the future?

    I am asking a question. care to answer it?


  • #8266
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,574 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    is that it? that is "thrashed"? wear and tear and some pranks?

    Some of the pranks are a bit crass and childish but hats off if they stole every W keys from all the Whitehouse computers that's pretty funny


  • #8267
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I am asking a question. care to answer it?

    i do think he would do something similar.

    while he is very brash, he does strike me as being genuine.

    just look to his words upon learning of the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.


  • #8268
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/

    aggregated data from multiple polls on RCP show Clinton polled far higher against Donald trump across the entire election timeline than Joe Biden is. My point stands, they're closer.

    Have you dropped your claim about multiple polls showing Clinton in a better position in Florida vs Biden. What you have linked to is national average not Florida specific.

    You have also misrepresented the data on the page you have linked to. It does not show Clinton ahead nationally compared to Biden across the election timeline. She was up at times notably in April, but certainly she is up far less than half of the timeline to date.

    Everybody can see this all they have to do is click on the link. From May 13 on Biden has been ahead vs Clinton except for a few days in early August. (Note the first graphic is Biden vs Clinton, there is an error in the hover, it displays Trump instead of Clinton)

    I'm not saying you are lying, but many people ...

    Again, where are the multiple polls showing Clinton ahead in Florida vs Biden...

    I'm not saying you are lying, but many people ...


  • #8269
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    All this media acceptance of Biden's basement strategy masks their terror over the possibility of another Trump win. On July 26, MSNBC host Joshua Johnson interviewed Democratic National Committee boss Tom Perez and revealed Democrats' inner panic.

    "I cannot tell you how many people I know who are Joe Biden supporters who feel like they're on the verge of a stroke all the time at the possibility of four more years of Donald Trump, particularly with any gaffe that Joe Biden makes," Johnson said. "If he says something that comes out sideways, it's like you can feel everybody's heart kind of squeak shut."

    Can't wait until Wednesday morning for the meltdown in here. Mods will more than likely attempt to bar me and other posters who point out Biden as the extremely weak candidate he is because of their hatred for the president. :D

    Good times.


  • #8270
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Cody montana wrote: »
    C ya.

    You'd like that wouldn't you. Nice little echo chamber.:eek:

    Edit: Oh look your post has been deleted.


  • #8271
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: You were given fair warning. Don't post in the thread again.

    Hilarious. All the digs the same posters have given about the president and surprise surprise no warnings given. Yawn. So predictable :eek:


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  • #8272
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Can't wait until Wednesday morning for the meltdown in here. Mods will more than likely attempt to bar me and other posters who point out Biden as the extremely weak candidate he is because of their hatred for the president. :D

    Good times.

    Sounds like you have already writtten your posts for next Wednesday. If you do get banned this might have more to do with it than any mods lack of objectivity.


  • #8273
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Didnt know CNN have an Irish lad (Donie o'Sullivan) working for them as a reporter on technology, disinformation & politics. Anyway he went to a Trump rally and asked Trump supporters to show him their Facebook feed on their phone which had manipulated videos of Biden supposedly falling asleep during a live tv interview. When shown it was someone else who fell asleep and Biden was photoshopped into the video the Trump supporter could only say 'well its still funny'. He had nothing at all to say about the fake news that he had swallowed hook, line and sinker.

    Its a good watch for an insight into the cult of Trump suppoerters. Even when shown definitive proof of fake news they refuse to believe it is fake because it doesnt follow the cults narrative.
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/09/24/facebook-trump-supporters-fact-check-misinformation-orig-me.cnn


  • #8274
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Hilarious. All the digs the same posters have given about the president and surprise surprise no warnings given. Yawn. So predictable :eek:

    Mod: Banned from the forum for a week.


  • #8275
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Fox News released polls last night of swing states. Trump is not doing much of the winning bigly that he promised us, in fact Biden now leads by 50% or more in all three states and they reported the undecideds are now very small numbers of voters.

    Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 41%

    Ohio
    Biden 50%
    Trump 45%

    Pennsylvania
    Biden 51%
    Trump 44%

    This was an earlier picture of Trump watching the poll results on Fox News, he is not happy at losing bigly



    trump-photoshop-pics16.jpg


  • #8276
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Muahahaha wrote: »

    This was an earlier picture of Trump watching the poll results on Fox News, he is not happy at losing bigly



    trump-photoshop-pics16.jpg

    I'm like that Trump supporter, I know it is fake news, but it is still funny.


  • #8277
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,777 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Didnt know CNN have an Irish lad (Donie o'Sullivan) working for them as a reporter on technology, disinformation & politics. Anyway he went to a Trump rally and asked Trump supporters to show him their Facebook feed on their phone which had manipulated videos of Biden supposedly falling asleep during a live tv interview. When shown it was someone else who fell asleep and Biden was photoshopped into the video the Trump supporter could only say 'well its still funny'. He had nothing at all to say about the fake news that he had swallowed hook, line and sinker.

    Its a good watch for an insight into the cult of Trump suppoerters. Even when shown definitive proof of fake news they refuse to believe it is fake because it doesnt follow the cults narrative.
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/09/24/facebook-trump-supporters-fact-check-misinformation-orig-me.cnn

    I watched that part of it live this a.m.. Seems the supporter actually admitted 'oh, I guess this one got through' that is, he was fooled, but 'oooh! Washington post' was his next comment.

    When the reporter asked another attendee why he wouldn't take opinions from those that disagree with him, he said "Because those people call me stupid" and a bunch of them chimed in with "ignorant!" He went on to say, waving his arms around, "I've got thousands that agree with me!"

    To me, that was particularly chilling. Glad I'm not living in the US anymore.

    It really is #CULT45.


  • #8278
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, but then I can't picture a Democrat offering Trump a similar kind of courtesy or civility also. He faces unrelenting hostility 24/7.

    Obama's is incredibly respectful. Trump is likely to send multiple insulting tweets.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/03/politics/obama-trump-letter-inauguration-day/index.html


  • #8279
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    are you really judging trump on something he may do/not do in the future?

    It’s an election that’s what people have to do


  • #8280
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,574 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Obama's is incredibly respectful. Trump is likely to send multiple insulting tweets.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/03/politics/obama-trump-letter-inauguration-day/index.html

    I think he will get over the line somehow but if he does lose it will be so interesting to see how he tries to spin it as being what he wanted


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  • #8281
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    salmocab wrote: »
    It’s an election that’s what people have to do

    thats true to an extent.

    judge both based upon the platform they're running on, their record to date, and how you think they will handle the next 4 years.

    Not on something as unspecic as a letter to an ex president, that may or may not be written.


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