Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Assetbacked · 24-09-2020 09:42PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Me.

Me too. Going to West Cork tomorrow evening for the weekend from Dublin. You can be sure I won't be snivelling in the holiday home Friday and Saturday night while there's creamy pints on tap up the road.

John_Rambo · 24-09-2020 09:42PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Rambo wouldnt of been so exciting if he stalked nursing homes killing grannies in nappies

They drew first drool.

FintanMcluskey · 24-09-2020 09:48PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

They drew first drool.

:pac:pac::pac:Comment of the year

3xh · 24-09-2020 09:49PM

average_runner wrote: »

Who brought it into the nursing homes?

A friends factory had to close today, a guy got tested on Tuesday and kept going to work, result was positive today.

Why did he get tested? Was he coughing and spluttering? He had to have a test to tell him he’s positive?

Yeah yeah, I get it nox & co, it’s not about him and his asymptomatic symptoms, it’s about him infecting someone who reacts badly to it or infects their granny.

It is accepted by all relevant experts, the PCR test this worker would have used could well have picked up on an expired dose from 6 weeks ago and so he is no longer infectious.

Penfailed · 24-09-2020 09:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you deflecting penfailed?

Just remember we are not liked in society, considered weird in fact, be careful who you allign with

Not really. Ish. I've pretty much supported the government's stance up until now. Didn't like the restrictions but saw them as a necessary evil. The LOK re-restrictions followed by the mess that they made of the five levels by having a separate in between (but not really in between) level for Dublin makes me doubt that things are going to ease the way I had foreseen. With Boris Johnston and the CMO in the north talking about six more months of this...well.

funnydoggy · 24-09-2020 09:59PM

So, the virus goes through the community slowly and their public health measures help keep hospitals running at capacity.

To "flatten the curve" makes sense yet when we did that, we were still hearing that it was touch and go and they were concerned.

They're not interested in elimination/zero covid (impossible anyway) and are still quick to dismiss the idea of a vaccine soon.

Their messaging is absolutely woeful. It's as if spreading doom and gloom is all they can do.

Where's the encouragement? Where's the recovery figure? There isn't one bit of positivity. Sure in each briefing they might mention something good but it's small part of a misery sandwich, and it's eaten up, forgotten about by the time the briefing is over.

FintanMcluskey · 24-09-2020 10:05PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not really. Ish. I've pretty much supported the government's stance up until now. Didn't like the restrictions but saw them as a necessary evil. The LOK re-restrictions followed by the mess that they made of the five levels by having a separate in between (but not really in between) level for Dublin makes me doubt that things are going to ease the way I had foreseen. With Boris Johnston and the CMO in the north talking about six more months of this...well.

What if those restrictions made zero difference to the death rate, only optically appeared to seve citizen's lives

John_Rambo · 24-09-2020 10:15PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What if those restrictions made zero difference to the death rate, only optically appeared to seve citizen's lives
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Restrictions will make zero difference if people carry on without taking personal responsibility.

Zero restrictions will make zero difference without people taking personal responsibility.

It's up to us as individuals to wash our hands at the appropriate times, wear masks where necessary and to adhere to proper respiratory etiquette and reduce our contacts until there's a solution.

Don't get hung up on the restrictions, they're not there for you're personal annoyance.

The more people take responsibility, the less it will spread, the less vulnerable people will be affected and we can get on with a semblance of normality.

It's here, it's dangerous to some, we need to live with it and deal with it appropriately. It's not that difficult.

average_runner · 24-09-2020 10:29PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah the guidelines will save us

Guidelines gets you through life.

average_runner · 24-09-2020 10:31PM

3xh wrote: »

Why did he get tested? Was he coughing and spluttering? He had to have a test to tell him he’s positive?

Yeah yeah, I get it nox & co, it’s not about him and his asymptomatic symptoms, it’s about him infecting someone who reacts badly to it or infects their granny.

It is accepted by all relevant experts, the PCR test this worker would have used could well have picked up on an expired dose from 6 weeks ago and so he is no longer infectious.

Will let u know tomorrow as more test results due

average_runner · 24-09-2020 10:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What if those restrictions made zero difference to the death rate, only optically appeared to seve citizen's lives

Restrictions only enforce people to behave , they are useless afterwards if people behave wrongly afterwards and pointless.

growleaves · 24-09-2020 10:34PM

average_runner wrote: »

Guidelines gets you through life.

Wrong!

Unthank x 100

24-09-2020 10:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not really. Ish. I've pretty much supported the government's stance up until now. Didn't like the restrictions but saw them as a necessary evil. The LOK re-restrictions followed by the mess that they made of the five levels by having a separate in between (but not really in between) level for Dublin makes me doubt that things are going to ease the way I had foreseen. With Boris Johnston and the CMO in the north talking about six more months of this...well.

We are into month 8 of this now with talk of another 6 - 9 months and still no guarantees on a vaccine.

Don’t blame anyone for losing faith in it.

GocRh · 24-09-2020 11:01PM

I can't believe curtailing freedom of movement in the island of Ireland is being entertained. This is getting beyond absurd.

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin tonight spoke separately about the issue to Stormont's First Minister Arlene Foster and Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

They agreed on the need for "a pragmatic and practical" policy aimed at reducing travel between the jurisdictions except for work, education or exempted reasons."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0924/1167335-medical-officers-cross-border/

dalyboy · 24-09-2020 11:13PM

GocRh wrote: »

I can't believe curtailing freedom of movement in the island of Ireland is being entertained. This is getting beyond absurd.

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin tonight spoke separately about the issue to Stormont's First Minister Arlene Foster and Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

They agreed on the need for "a pragmatic and practical" policy aimed at reducing travel between the jurisdictions except for work, education or exempted reasons."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0924/1167335-medical-officers-cross-border/

Wow. This is really going to get messy now. Huge fallout beckons if this goes ahead. sh1t show is too lenient a phrase.

bloopy · 24-09-2020 11:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We are into month 8 of this now with talk of another 6 - 9 months and still no guarantees on a vaccine.

Don’t blame anyone for losing faith in it.

First real round of restrictions started shortly before Paddy's Day with closure of schools. Proper restrictions started 23rd March with lockdown announcement.

We are only 6 months in so far.

I cannot see the country lasting another 6. Already half the country are at each other's throats. What will things look like after the long, dark winter months.
Look how quickly masks became a thing to argue over - they were only mandated on August 4th. Not even 2 months ago yet.

bucketybuck · 24-09-2020 11:20PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Restrictions will make zero difference if people carry on without taking personal responsibility.

Zero restrictions will make zero difference without people taking personal responsibility.

I've just realised what is going on, and why some people are so zealous about measures that have little logical basis.

Its religion. Covid is a religion.

In religion if you get saved it is because god saved you, if you don't get saved its because you didn't believe hard enough, or weren't pious enough. Its win win for god.

If cases and deaths stay low it is because restrictions worked. If cases and deaths rise it is because people weren't pious enough about their restrictions, the same sort of win win scenario. There is no discussion where restrictions are allowed to have been the wrong idea.

You know the old saying about religion, "you can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into", it clearly applies to some of the posters in this thread, who needs critical thinking when you can just have faith in whatever guff a higher power tells you.

24-09-2020 11:44PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

So, the virus goes through the community slowly and their public health measures help keep hospitals running at capacity.

To "flatten the curve" makes sense yet when we did that, we were still hearing that it was touch and go and they were concerned.

They're not interested in elimination/zero covid (impossible anyway) and are still quick to dismiss the idea of a vaccine soon.

Their messaging is absolutely woeful. It's as if spreading doom and gloom is all they can do.

Where's the encouragement? Where's the recovery figure? There isn't one bit of positivity. Sure in each briefing they might mention something good but it's small part of a misery sandwich, and it's eaten up, forgotten about by the time the briefing is over.

Honestly I don't understand how anyone outside of journalists are watching that every day. Especially if you're hating on every word. Get the headlines if you must and move on.

funnydoggy · 25-09-2020 12:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly I don't understand how anyone outside of journalists are watching that every day. Especially if you're hating on every word. Get the headlines if you must and move on.

I don't really watch it anymore but I know of countless others who are anxious messes by the time it's over.

I totally agree with you but some people can't help but be sucked in.

dalyboy · 25-09-2020 12:40AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've just realised what is going on, and why some people are so zealous about measures that have little logical basis.

Its religion. Covid is a religion.

In religion if you get saved it is because god saved you, if you don't get saved its because you didn't believe hard enough, or weren't pious enough. Its win win for god.

If cases and deaths stay low it is because restrictions worked. If cases and deaths rise it is because people weren't pious enough about their restrictions, the same sort of win win scenario. There is no discussion where restrictions are allowed to have been the wrong idea.

You know the old saying about religion, "you can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into", it clearly applies to some of the posters in this thread, who needs critical thinking when you can just have faith in whatever guff a higher power tells you.

Don’t forget about your holy hand sanitizer as you go in and out of the shops etc. It’s as if some people are nearly blessing themselves embarking on these brave missions to Tesco

Oh and if you have sexual desire you’ll have to wait for our saviour , the great and powerful vaccine

Plumbthedepths · 25-09-2020 12:52AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/dr-martin-feeley-young-and-healthy-majority-need-to-be-allowed-to-live-1.4362503?mode=amp

Seems he is unwilling to stay quiet.

25-09-2020 12:58AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I don't really watch it anymore but I know of countless others who are anxious messes by the time it's over.

I totally agree with you but some people can't help but be sucked in.

The tone of it is just awful. I gave up listening and watching the news at the start of all this. It just puts you in a downer. That monotone voice the newscaster has to put on to sound indifferent and serious will put anyone in a bad mood. Way better off reading any info. You can take it in as you please without getting emotive.

road_high · 25-09-2020 01:06AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Don’t forget about your holy hand sanitizer as you go in and out of the shops etc. It’s as if some people are nearly blessing themselves embarking on these brave missions to Tesco

Oh and if you have sexual desire you’ll have to wait for our saviour , the great and powerful vaccine

And don’t forget your blessed mask aka rosary beads

25-09-2020 01:07AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/dr-martin-feeley-young-and-healthy-majority-need-to-be-allowed-to-live-1.4362503?mode=amp

Seems he is unwilling to stay quiet.

To give a fair comparison between covid and the Spanish flu, you'd have to give the absolute worst case scenario for covid because that is effectively what happened in 1918. We basically actively encouraged the virus to rip through as many people as possible with our behaviour while preparing for war. No restrictions, no lockdown. While pretty much denying its existence to appear as a strong nation.

Plumbthedepths · 25-09-2020 01:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To give a fair comparison between covid and the Spanish flu, you'd have to give the absolute worst case scenario for covid because that is effectively what happened in 1918. We basically actively encouraged the virus to rip through as many people as possible with our behaviour while preparing for war. No restrictions, no lockdown. While pretty much denying its existence to appear as a strong nation.

I'm trying to make sense of your comment but it alludes me. It's possibly because the Great War started 1914 and ended 1918.

MrMusician18 · 25-09-2020 01:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To give a fair comparison between covid and the Spanish flu, you'd have to give the absolute worst case scenario for covid because that is effectively what happened in 1918. We basically actively encouraged the virus to rip through as many people as possible with our behaviour while preparing for warm. No restrictions, no lockdown. While pretty much denying its existence to appear as a strong nation.

Indeed, that's why it was called the spanish flu, since reporting was prohibited here in case it would injure morale.

Happydays2020 · 25-09-2020 02:31AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've just realised what is going on, and why some people are so zealous about measures that have little logical basis.

Its religion. Covid is a religion.

In religion if you get saved it is because god saved you, if you don't get saved its because you didn't believe hard enough, or weren't pious enough. Its win win for god.

If cases and deaths stay low it is because restrictions worked. If cases and deaths rise it is because people weren't pious enough about their restrictions, the same sort of win win scenario. There is no discussion where restrictions are allowed to have been the wrong idea.

You know the old saying about religion, "you can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into", it clearly applies to some of the posters in this thread, who needs critical thinking when you can just have faith in whatever guff a higher power tells you.

It is not a coincidence that there is a 2 metre high portrait of Archbishop McQuaid in NPHET HQ.

walus · 25-09-2020 06:27AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/dr-martin-feeley-young-and-healthy-majority-need-to-be-allowed-to-live-1.4362503?mode=amp

Seems he is unwilling to stay quiet.

Well, he actually provides numbers for his statements instead of “awful” and “might”. What he writes is actually believable. It seems that he feels the duty to tell this story from the solid numbers perspective.

stephenjmcd · 25-09-2020 06:36AM

GocRh wrote: »

I can't believe curtailing freedom of movement in the island of Ireland is being entertained. This is getting beyond absurd.

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin tonight spoke separately about the issue to Stormont's First Minister Arlene Foster and Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

They agreed on the need for "a pragmatic and practical" policy aimed at reducing travel between the jurisdictions except for work, education or exempted reasons."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0924/1167335-medical-officers-cross-border/

They're asking people to limit movement between Derry and Donegal, both areas have very high rates at the moment.

Its the exact same as everyone being asked to limit movement in and out of Dublin.

Tokyo · 25-09-2020 06:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Rambo wouldnt of been so exciting if he stalked nursing homes killing grannies in nappies

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac:pac::pac:Comment of the year

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah the guidelines will save us

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thanks John.

How Colonel trautman

Remember one thing with your attitude, lots of body bags

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