Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

polesheep · 24-09-2020 02:46PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Colonoscopies in CUH didnt stop.at all this year. No lockdown for them!

I know i had one.
Did they stop in other hospitals?

Yes, except for emergencies. They are back up and running now but not at full capacity due to restrictions in how they can operate.

rob316 · 24-09-2020 02:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has met with community activists at a Dublin flat complex which attracted criticism when an outdoor rave was held there last week.

https://www.thejournal.ie/taoiseach-visit-oliver-bond-flat-complex-5213698-Sep2020/

Jaysus has he got nothing to do? We have over 15% of unemployment, Limerick hospital had to treat 12 people overnight in chairs in corridors (as they had no trolleys) while this guy goes around hires 10 more government advisers at 67k starting salary and walks around flats and apartment blocks......... :mad:

Would any other head of state go visit the site of rave? Absolute bollox

24-09-2020 03:00PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

a therapist once told me, we re a country of talkers about mental health services, but not doers!

Yep. People claim to understand and really care about mental health all the time.

But then something like Covid comes along and there is a real attitude of "There is a deadly disease out there, who cares about your "mental" health issues".

Ginger n Lemon · 24-09-2020 03:00PM

rob316 wrote: »

Would any other head of state go visit the site of rave? Absolute bollox

It really baffles as to what do they actually do on daily basis.

The other week Paschal Donohue was talking to IrishJournal and telling Dubliners not to attend weddings outside of Dublin.

You'd think country is flourishing wouldnt you :rolleyes:

Wanderer78 · 24-09-2020 03:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep. People claim to understand and really care about mental health all the time.

But then something like Covid comes along and there is a real attitude of "There is a deadly disease out there, who cares about your "mental" health issues".

ah its a mess really, plenty of people do care, including politicians, mental health issues have probably affected every family on the planet at this stage, so we all have some degree of understanding, we re just constrained, and maybe not truly willing to accept how serious this problem is, covid 'might' just make us realise.

road_high · 24-09-2020 03:10PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Opinion polls start of march 2020:

Sinn Féin 35% (+10)
Fianna Fáil 20% (-2)
Fine Gael 18% (-3)
Greens 6% (-1)

Opinion polls september 2020:

Fine Gael, 35% (no change)
Sinn Féin, 27% (no change)
Fianna Fáil, 10% (down 5)
Independent, 10% (up 3)

Those polls are la la land stuff- come back after the next series of budgets and emergency budgets and we'll see where FG are then....(I say that as a typical FG voter, family steeped in the party).

rob316 · 24-09-2020 03:14PM

We all know Polls are accurate, said Trump and Brexit.

road_high · 24-09-2020 03:14PM

rob316 wrote: »

Would any other head of state go visit the site of rave? Absolute bollox

You couldn't make up the idiocy if you tried could you? The Taoisech of a country indulging in this utter bollox (as you rightly put it). Unbelievable.

No trade deal with the UK and this absolute cabblage goes to visit where people had some fun....fcuking hell

road_high · 24-09-2020 03:17PM

rob316 wrote: »

We all know Polls are accurate, said Trump and Brexit.

I could swing for FG. We were supposedly the party of business and the economy- all we've done is indulge in this Covid crap and hysteria for the past 8 months.
The ordinary member is not in tune with this, particularly those in business of any sort.

uli84 · 24-09-2020 03:20PM

My God, opened the news page, so depressing, they should seriously be more careful what gets published

Wanderer78 · 24-09-2020 03:24PM

uli84 wrote: »

My God, opened the news page, so depressing, they should seriously be more careful what gets published

what do you mean?

24-09-2020 03:29PM

rob316 wrote: »

We all know Polls are accurate, said Trump and Brexit.

2016 US election and Brexit polls were within margin of error. I am sure FG would be delighted if they got within the margin of error on the latest polls at the next election

weldoninhio · 24-09-2020 03:36PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

You dont die from cancer or hiv. You die from the infections and disease they allow run ranpant in your body. You die WITH cancer or HIV.

Yet they killed you just the same.

Are you suggesting Drs.have suddenly forgotten how to fill in death certs?
They took a break from filling in death certs incorrectly over the summer, and now cases are rising they figure they'd better get back to the conspiracy work of filling out death certs incorrectly?

Oh and the people dying? Stopped dying during lockdown, but start again when restrictions ease?

Fsss. Shocking anyone believes this tripe.

Perhaps you can answer me this?

A friend of mines family have sought legal advice against the HSE. His aunt, fathers sister, died a few weeks ago. She was riddled with cancer, so it wasn’t unexpected. After she passed, she tested positive for Covid. His father is looking after the finances, so has been in touch regarding hospital charges. He was told that if they put cancer on the death cert, the bill would be €800. But if they put Covid on the death cert, the fees would be waived. This is the sort of people you are asking us to trust.

It’s fcuking disgusting. I’m hoping that whatever advice they get, they bring this as far as they can. I told him they should also get onto the newspapers, but his dad doesn’t want it turning into a circus as they are all obviously grieving at the same time. They paid the €800.

24-09-2020 03:37PM

road_high wrote: »

I could swing for FG. We were supposedly the party of business and the economy- all we've done is indulge in this Covid crap and hysteria for the past 8 months.
The ordinary member is not in tune with this, particularly those in business of any sort.

The Irish electorate are unfortunately quite tick at times. It was an almost Covid like hysteria that led to the Sinn Fein bandwagon a few months back. People were outraged that Mary Lou wasn't included in the leaders debate on RTE and it all snowballed from there.

Despite the positive things that FG done over the last number of years, they lost public support. Yet they appear to have gained it back and more by going into lockdown and quoting Mean Girls / Terminator

Can honestly say I have never felt more deflated thinking about who to vote for next...

Idbatterim · 24-09-2020 03:38PM

road_high wrote: »

I could swing for FG. We were supposedly the party of business and the economy- all we've done is indulge in this Covid crap and hysteria for the past 8 months.
The ordinary member is not in tune with this, particularly those in business of any sort.

Bear in mind fg so have done niyhing about the scandalous marginal rate. Property less affirdabke than ever, unless you are a waster who fg throw free luxury homes at.... but expect working poor who think fg represent them to keep on voting for them? While they live at home on theor thirties and forties, so scrotes can live mortgage, lpt, managenent fee, mortgage interest free their entire life... lol!

Wanderer78 · 24-09-2020 03:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Irish electorate are unfortunately quite tick at times. It was an almost Covid like hysteria that led to the Sinn Fein bandwagon a few months back. People were outraged that Mary Lou wasn't included in the leaders debate on RTE and it all snowballed from there.

Despite the positive things that FG done over the last number of years, they lost public support. Yet they appear to have gained it back and more by going into lockdown and quoting Mean Girls / Terminator

Can honestly say I have never felt more deflated thinking about who to vote for next...

theres nothing stupid about the electorate, people should be allowed to vote for who they believe, that is what a democracy is

Zebra3 · 24-09-2020 03:39PM

rob316 wrote: »

Would any other head of state go visit the site of rave? Absolute bollox

Did our esteemed taoiseach visit the site of Golfgate?

weldoninhio · 24-09-2020 03:40PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I suppose you will be voting for that basket case of a party SF? No thanks. Hopefully FG will have a strong election and be the majority party in the next government. People wont forget the good job they did in getting covid under control from march onwards we would be much better off with Leo still at the top that MM thats for sure.

That’s the party that got Covid under controls, by berating and bullying Nursing Homes Ireland into allowing visitors, after they had decided off their own bat to ban them at the start of the pandemic, and then decided to empty hospitals into nursing homes to free up beds without testing anyone, causing untold deaths to the elderly. Or did you FORGET that??

road_high · 24-09-2020 03:47PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Did our esteemed taoiseach visit the site of Golfgate?

He probably would given half the encouragement....

road_high · 24-09-2020 04:26PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres nothing stupid about the electorate, people should be allowed to vote for who they believe, that is what a democracy is

The Irish electorate are unfortunately dumb and immature. They’ll swallow any free money/free houses yarn spun for them.
I’ve always believed you must work hard for anything in life and those values are correct and I stick by them. They’ve been sidelined by the mainstream though, replaced by a chorus of easy entitlement

CruelSummer · 24-09-2020 04:57PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0924/1167123-nphet-coronavirus-health/

So it seems Donegal is next on the hitlist of NPHET, our defacto Government. I wonder how many more jobs will be lost from this move?

Donegal is beside Northern Ireland where I’m sure it’ll be fine for people so travel to & from as it’s a different jurisdiction. Makes a lot of sense to inflict more economic & social carnage that will yield little...

FintanMcluskey · 24-09-2020 05:03PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0924/1167123-nphet-coronavirus-health/

So it seems Donegal is next on the hitlist of NPHET, our defacto Government. I wonder how many more jobs will be lost from this move?

Donegal is beside Northern Ireland where I’m sure it’ll be fine for people so travel to & from as it’s a different jurisdiction. Makes a lot of sense to inflict more economic & social carnage that will yield little...

What a picture at the top of that article.

Micheal Martin at the Oliver Bond flats bravely commanding his freshly assembled PR team.

Thats a picture for the mantlepiece in the future

Im sure Tom Barry is proud of how far we have come.

In a rather unique approach MM has proclaimed the next 10 days are critical

_Kaiser_ · 24-09-2020 05:08PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0924/1167123-nphet-coronavirus-health/

So it seems Donegal is next on the hitlist of NPHET, our defacto Government. I wonder how many more jobs will be lost from this move?

It seems NPHET confirmed what many suspected (about two-thirds of the way down)

Earlier on Thursday, it was reported that the State’s public health team NPHET privately expressed concerns about the opening of pubs stating that alcohol has a “disinhibiting effect” on people.

At a meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team in late August, health officials discussed how pubs and bars “pose a particular risk to the spread of Covid-19 as alcohol can have a disinhibiting effect on people and impair judgement.”

Minutes of the NPHET meeting show the team said that regardless of how “well-intentioned people are, it can impair their awareness of and ability to comply with social distancing and hygiene and respiratory advice”.

So it seems that those who thought that NPHET have a problem with alcohol and thus dragging their feet on the pubs issue weren't far wrong

Zebra3 · 24-09-2020 05:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What a picture at the top of that article.

Micheal Martin at the Oliver Bond flats bravely commanding his freshly assembled PR team.

Thats a picture for the mantlepiece in the future

Im sure Tom Barry is proud of how far we have come.

In a rather unique approach MM has proclaimed the next 10 days are critical

Haha, MM actually said "the next 10 days will be critical".

All these high paid advisors that we're footing the bill for and that's the best he can come out with? :rolleyes:

Penfailed · 24-09-2020 05:32PM

road_high wrote: »

The Irish electorate are unfortunately dumb and immature. They’ll swallow any free money/free houses yarn spun for them.

Eh? That doesn't explain any government up to the present day.

froog · 24-09-2020 05:35PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Great post. It is intriguing alright, the daily checking of cases/ICU/deaths, listening to radio and watching tv every day...it can certainly lead many to a point of mild psychosis.

What always gets to me about the pro-lockdown stance is that it's rooted in a "save a life at any cost", but its actually a "save a covid-life at any cost"

We have record numbers of homeless people dying on the streets of Dublin this year, I have a relative who is a social worker who had 4 of her clients commit suicide in a single week in May which was unprecedented in her years working, we will have hundreds of terminal missed cancer diagnoses this year, then we have all the deaths from heart disease and stroke that could have been prevented.

But the problem is that this reality is not being conveyed on RTE and theres no daily briefing that note all the collateral deaths that these restrictions have caused.

Even worse, I tried to get the suicide numbers from the CSO last month and I told the figures for 2020 have been withheld until summer 2021. Thats intentional.

suicide numbers are never available until the following year as far as i know.

Wanderer78 · 24-09-2020 05:35PM

road_high wrote: »

The Irish electorate are unfortunately dumb and immature. They’ll swallow any free money/free houses yarn spun for them.
I’ve always believed you must work hard for anything in life and those values are correct and I stick by them. They’ve been sidelined by the mainstream though, replaced by a chorus of easy entitlement

i disagree there, i think some prejudices are getting in the way there, of forming some sort of intelligent opinion

_Kaiser_ · 24-09-2020 05:39PM

Michael O'Leary on newstalk and he's not happy with the inconsistency of the decisions. Says that of the 4 countries remaining on the Green list, one doesn't have an airport and the other doesn't have flights from Ireland

Swipes at NPHET and the app etc too. It's hard to disagree with a lot he's saying though

DangerScouse · 24-09-2020 05:40PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Michael O'Leary on newstalk and he's not happy with the inconsistency of the decisions. Says that of the 4 countries remaining on the Green list, one doesn't have an airport and the other doesn't have flights from Ireland

Swipes at NPHET and the app etc too. It's hard to disagree with a lot he's saying though

He's a weapon.

Idbatterim · 24-09-2020 05:41PM

road_high wrote: »

I could swing for FG. We were supposedly the party of business and the economy- all we've done is indulge in this Covid crap and hysteria for the past 8 months.
The ordinary member is not in tune with this, particularly those in business of any sort.

Bear in mind fg so have done nothing about the scandalous marginal rate. Property less affordable than ever, unless you are a waster who fg throw free luxury homes at.... but expect working poor who think fg represent them to keep on voting for them? While they live at home in their thirties and forties, so scrotes can live mortgage, lpt, management fee, mortgage interest free their entire life... lol!

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings