Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Idbatterim wrote: »

I feel here when they are scared to take any posotion that isnt left and liberal, often because they are cowards. Well, you are going to alienate a lot of your customers.. . They are getting what they deserve. Ireland would have to be a prime examle of where, in the year 2020 with the world f knowledge at our finger tips, rte like the catholoc church, can dictate the narrative and agenda to a ridiculoys degree. Then thete is the total lack of political leadership , zero accountability. Its a clusterfcuk!

Let me tell you now, if the poloticians knew the swedush model woukd hwve been better, say five years down the road , with a lot of hindsight, theyd still choose what they did here! Why? Because its the easy way out, that looked caring... you can then always say " we were cautious, did our best" total cowardice

theres a lot of complexity wrapped up in all of your statements, this is a highly complex and dynamic situation, i will agree though, our media is left/liberial biased, which suits someone like me, but i do realise, it doesnt represent alternative viewpoints, such as yours, and you re not alone either, there definitely is a market for such a media or media sources in ireland, it is baffling me, why this hasnt been filled yet.

i would disagree though about the control such media sources have, with the advancement of communication technology, id say, they have little or no control over the narrative at large nowadays, they would have had a monopolization in the past, but virtually nothing now.

we have been steadily depowering our political institutions, particularly over the last few decades, it has worked, they no longer have much power and influence in making critical social changes, plutocratic elements in society have far more power, control and influence, than these institutions, for example, google are being highlighted yet again in the american elections, for prioritizing more liberial agendas, which is more than likely true, be more wary of the plutocrat's, but that doesnt mean our politicians shouldnt be held accountable!

our politicians do care, they just have very little power and control, they also have severe limitations, they probably had little or no choice but to lockdown before, our health system probably didnt have the capacity for a swedish type of approach, nobody knew for sure, it was the unknown, but right now, it does seem like the swedish model is becoming more feasible, this is a highly dynamic situation, but since we cant accurately predict future events, its all largely a guessing game, even from the professionals!

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah theyre still there, just in serious trouble, it ll never be the same again

sorry, who?

Hes a clandestine golfer!

topper75 wrote: »

Yeah with a functional media, holding the state to account, Séamus ("independent" judiciary) and Seán (ex-political reporter) were the HUGE story there. Was glossed over. Inconvenient. Oh look over there at the MEP fella!

Bizarre. You would hardly see the likes in Central America.

Of course it was the story. The guy who was instrumental in examining the constutionality of the restrictions ignores them all.

Now it just proves intelligent people believe the virus is harmless and the restrictions are a load of bolix.

Im with them tbh

Deleted User wrote: »

I have seen it mentioned a few times now from the pro restrictions posters - "Economies recover, dead people do NOT". This is a point that I really want to address.

Yes, technically you are correct. The economy will likely recover at some point in time, be it 5, 10 or 15 years.

What doesn't necessarily recover are all of the livelihoods that get destroyed along the way. I grew up in a rough area of Dublin. Without employment opportunities, a whole generation of young will potentially turn to a life of crime, drugs, alcohol, depression etc.

Recession and the stresses related to it will break up many families / relationships. This can have severe impacts on children in particular and again can lead to many of the things mentioned above.

Lots of families will get evicted, lose their homes or get stuck in negative equity for years to come.
Massive spending cuts will have all kinds of far reaching negative impacts on all aspects of society. And that includes our pathetic health care system becoming even more pathetic.
The homeless, that causes a lot of outrage in Dublin, could double, triple, quadruple?

But yeah... we'll likely recover at some point. F*ck knows about all the livelihoods destroyed along the way though.

Guess who won't be impacted? The people most at risk from Covid will continue to collect their private and/or state pension. Government/Politicians/NPHET will likely remain on 6 figure salaries and any recession will be pocket change to them.

there are well known methods to prevent such social harm, increasing funding and resources towards critical social needs, housing/accommodation, health care etc etc etc, no austerity etc etc, probably wont happen though, largely due to conservative economic thinking, so....

Wanderer78 wrote: »

agree actually, but at the moment, this extremely radical idea could just very well be that, too radical, but maybe it ll be entertained soon, out of necessity, we ll see, but i think at the moment, we might just be able to implement not as radical ideas, to get through the short term

The only thing is that the situation created by reacting to covid risk has created unprecedented issues for which implementing the solutions that at best worked questionably in the past most likely will not work. Extraordinary problems need novel solutions.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This ^^^
I love my sister to bits BUT we have fallen out a lot during Covid. She and her husband are both retired, good pension, living in a remote part of Ireland, kids reared and gone. They are huge advocates of lockdown at all costs! I mentioned that I and most of the country NEEDED to work, mortgages, rent, loans but I was told public health was the only thing that mattered.
They are terrified of catching it, terrified beyond reason. I have been lectured and admonished for going hiking, going shopping and even going to work (which I had to during Covid).

Neither of them have underlying conditions, yet they didn't go to a shop from March until June, not once. They got everything delivered and washed all the shopping.

The longer their isolation went on, the worse they got. Meanwhile because I was working throughout I was very realistic, took precautions and just got on with life and did things. I can't imagine the stress of being so scared ALL THE TIME. Its crazy. Live your life, the media and the Government have people scared to death. Turn the radio/TV off, turn the phone off if you have to, go for walk, listen to nature, we are all going to die anyway.

I’m sorry but I’d have to cut them out of my life if I was you. There’s no way I could listen to that ****e on a regular basis and I’d have told them that months ago. Else just don’t talk to them about it if you can

Deleted User wrote: »

This ^^^
I love my sister to bits BUT we have fallen out a lot during Covid. She and her husband are both retired, good pension, living in a remote part of Ireland, kids reared and gone. They are huge advocates of lockdown at all costs! I mentioned that I and most of the country NEEDED to work, mortgages, rent, loans but I was told public health was the only thing that mattered.
They are terrified of catching it, terrified beyond reason. I have been lectured and admonished for going hiking, going shopping and even going to work (which I had to during Covid).

Neither of them have underlying conditions, yet they didn't go to a shop from March until June, not once. They got everything delivered and washed all the shopping.

The longer their isolation went on, the worse they got. Meanwhile because I was working throughout I was very realistic, took precautions and just got on with life and did things. I can't imagine the stress of being so scared ALL THE TIME. Its crazy. Live your life, the media and the Government have people scared to death. Turn the radio/TV off, turn the phone off if you have to, go for walk, listen to nature, we are all going to die anyway.

That story is replicated throughout the country. Problem is that there's very large cohort of people, my family included, who have accumulated a lot of money during the last decade. Many on very generous pensions and owning expensive property. Many of these people unfortunately only care about themselves. The more severe the restrictions the happier they are. The government should introduce a special covid tax on all income and those people would change their tune rapidly.. the current system whereby people like myself and my wife get wealthier while the economy is starting to sink is plain crazy. . Especially as eventually we will all have to pay a very costly price. By postponing that payment we are allowing people to avoid reality.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I was thinking of going to Belarus myself but decided against it when I realised they don't have a free, fair and impartial media like we do!

:D:D

Another one for the collection. I love this thread.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

they don't have a free, fair and impartial media like we do!

:D:D

TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has met with community activists at a Dublin flat complex which attracted criticism when an outdoor rave was held there last week.

https://www.thejournal.ie/taoiseach-visit-oliver-bond-flat-complex-5213698-Sep2020/

Jaysus has he got nothing to do? We have over 15% of unemployment, Limerick hospital had to treat 12 people overnight in chairs in corridors (as they had no trolleys) while this guy goes around hires 10 more government advisers at 67k starting salary and walks around flats and apartment blocks......... :mad:

Open the Pubs wrote: »

I believe the cancer screening delays and suicide/mental health ramifications are not getting the full attention they should be by government/media. They are as much of threat to life right now as Covid, possibly even more. In regard to mental health/suicide this is happening two fold as the harsh social isolation that some people are now living in for a long period. Add to this the economic devastation and daily job losses and those already unemployed whose situation has become many times worse.

We have a so called minister for Mental Health, Mary Butler who I have not seen in the media or on TV at all during the entire pandemic. The previous minister for MH, Jim Daly I believe stopped covering his role when the government went into caretaker mode after February. This ministry is obviously not taken seriously enough.

None of the previous governments cared about mental health either.


It's a f*cking disgrace.