FF/FG/Green Next Government

dundalkfc10 · 23-09-2020 12:28AM

The_Brood wrote: »

My question is how do the government have the constitutional power to be keeping travel, businesses, entire industries in lockdown and driving them to permanent financial ruin? It's one thing to inact emergency temporary powers to deal with a disaster, but we are more than half a year into this and there is absolutely no plan or coherency or light at the end of the tunel. Are they an elected government that is held accountable for its actions, or an empire that cannot be questioned?

2020 will be remembered for many tragic and horrible things - but honestly the greatest catastrophe is our complete and total surrender4 of the principles of democracy and accountability.

The astonishing thing is that according to the polls more than half the country still support FG or FF. They are perfectly fine with all this.

Most young people who never even would have thought of voting will be voting when it's election time, and as polls show they are SF all the way

Yurt2 · 23-09-2020 01:39AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Off topic

Back on topic:

- The incumbent government is terrible
- Fine Gael B.O.Ts are trash and riddled with multi accounts from banned posters who are on the cusp of a psychological meltdown

McMurphy · 23-09-2020 05:35AM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh please, is that all you have? Honestly? Scrapping the bottom of the barrel to justify blatent xenophobia.

This has been covered on the thread numerous times already, but if you keep bringing it up again, don't be whinging when the flaw in your arguments (no matter how faux they are) get pointed out.

A while ago yourself and your compadre were pointing out that Drew Harris holds an Irish passport (as he's fully entitled to do) and is entitled to "dual Irish citizenship", how can you be xenophobic to a person born on the same island who is as Irish as the rest of us

I know Leo described the FG branch based in Belfast as their "overseas branch" but I would like to think Leo said that just to give people an impression FG are like "Trotters Independent Trading" with a host of "overseas branches"

Unless of course the definition of "xenophobic" has changed over the last few days?

Honestly, I have to ask, do you really believe you're doing yourself or FG (or whatever or who ever it is you think you're arguing in support of) a service here using this type of deliberate misleading language?

There is certainly some "scrapping of a barrel" going on marko, your rosette for king barbell scrapper is in the post to you all the way to Oz.

People have pointed out to yourself and others why placing Harris in the role he got placed in wasn't the brightest thing to do, his race, his religion, his nationality or political persuasion had.nothing to do with it.

Xenophobic and sectarian/racist accusations are not to be made lightly, as they're quite serious accusations against posters, so I would respectfully suggest if you believe someone is being openly xenophobic, racist or sectarian on thread you report it and let the mods deal with it.

I'm personally sick reading about them, not because it's you making the accusations, it's because you are making them knowing full well you're being as genuine as the tooth fairy when doing so.

FrancieBrady · 23-09-2020 07:58AM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh please, is that all you have?

Is that all? Again the trivialising of the murder of innocent nationalists.

Honestly? Scrapping the bottom of the barrel to justify blatent xenophobia.

It is my fervent belief that you don't know the meaning of the word and just copied another poster here.

PommieBast · 23-09-2020 09:26AM

The_Brood wrote: »

My question is how do the government have the constitutional power to be keeping travel, businesses, entire industries in lockdown and driving them to permanent financial ruin?

This is going to be the subject of lawsuits for years to come, especially with the assistance programmes being wound down.

smurgen · 23-09-2020 09:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is that all? Again the trivialising of the murder of innocent nationalists.

It is my fervent belief that you don't know the meaning of the word and just copied another poster here.

The complete disregard for the lives, safety and victims of loyalist violence is in itself xenophobic.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 10:05AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Who said the Government in the North have no power? Your talking nonsense trying to deflect that Mickey lied in the dail (again)

Mickey said Sinn Fein cant talk about the amount of advisors and their wages, as they get paid more up North.

14 advisors in total up North get paid less than the total amount of "Advisors" in the Republic.

Now you can talk as much ****e, and deflect, deflect deflect. Its a fact he lied but your still defending him.

Good job the general public see right through FF and FG now

Northern Ireland is one-third the size of the South, Stormont has few powers we have been told, that suggests somewhere over 60 advisers in total would be similar for the government down South.

Brendan Bendar · 23-09-2020 10:24AM

smurgen wrote: »

The complete disregard for the lives, safety and victims of loyalist violence is in itself xenophobic.

Bit of a rear-up in McAleers bar up in the ‘Gannon the other night, I’m told.

Anyone there?

Maybe Cullinane gave them a few bars..........:cool:

Risteard81 · 23-09-2020 10:28AM

The_Brood wrote: »

My question is how do the government have the constitutional power to be keeping travel, businesses, entire industries in lockdown and driving them to permanent financial ruin? It's one thing to inact emergency temporary powers to deal with a disaster, but we are more than half a year into this and there is absolutely no plan or coherency or light at the end of the tunel. Are they an elected government that is held accountable for its actions, or an empire that cannot be questioned?

2020 will be remembered for many tragic and horrible things - but honestly the greatest catastrophe is our complete and total surrender of the principles of democracy and accountability.

The astonishing thing is that according to the polls more than half the country still support FG or FF. They are perfectly fine with all this.

It is totalitarianism and High Treason.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 10:30AM

McMurphy wrote: »

This has been covered on the thread numerous times already, but if you keep bringing it up again, don't be whinging when the flaw in your arguments (no matter how faux they are) get pointed out.

A while ago yourself and your compadre were pointing out that Drew Harris holds an Irish passport (as he's fully entitled to do) and is entitled to "dual Irish citizenship", how can you be xenophobic to a person born on the same island who is as Irish as the rest of us

I know Leo described the FG branch based in Belfast as their "overseas branch" but I would like to think Leo said that just to give people an impression FG are like "Trotters Independent Trading" with a host of "overseas branches"

Unless of course the definition of "xenophobic" has changed over the last few days?

Honestly, I have to ask, do you really believe you're doing yourself or FG (or whatever or who ever it is you think you're arguing in support of) a service here using this type of deliberate misleading language?

There is certainly some "scrapping of a barrel" going on marko, your rosette for king barbell scrapper is in the post to you all the way to Oz.

People have pointed out to yourself and others why placing Harris in the role he got placed in wasn't the brightest thing to do, his race, his religion, his nationality or political persuasion had.nothing to do with it.

Xenophobic and sectarian/racist accusations are not to be made lightly, as they're quite serious accusations against posters, so I would respectfully suggest if you believe someone is being openly xenophobic, racist or sectarian on thread you report it and let the mods deal with it.

I'm personally sick reading about them, not because it's you making the accusations, it's because you are making them knowing full well you're being as genuine as the tooth fairy when doing so.

Why did the poster reference his nationality, and extend that to the related concept of dual nationality not being acceptable either?

If it looks like a duck....etc.

Yurt2 · 23-09-2020 10:49AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Why did the poster reference his nationality, and extend that to the related concept of dual nationality not being acceptable either?

If it looks like a duck....etc.

Do you think the British or Americans for instance allow dual nationals to serve in senior positions in their security and intelligence services (not even to mention one who worked extremely closely with a foreign intelligence service, and has a chequered record with frustrating controversial investigations into the murder of civilians)?

I'll spare you the effort of firing up Ask Jeeves / Yahoo Search, they don't.

The yard, you may get up it.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 11:06AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Do you think the British or Americans for instance allow dual nationals to serve in senior positions in their security and intelligence services (not even to mention one who worked extremely closely with a foreign intelligence service, and has a chequered record with frustrating controversial investigations into the murder of civilians)?

I'll spare you the effort of firing up Ask Jeeves / Yahoo Search, they don't.

The yard, you may get up it.

Last I heard, many Irishmen went to New York and became policemen, let's have a little look at some history for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_(admiral)#:~:text=Founder%20of%20the%20Argentine%20Navy,1%2C200%20streets%20named%20after%20him.&text=William%20Brown%20(also%20known%20in,an%20Irish%2Dborn%20Argentine%20admiral.

Admiral William Brown, an Irishman founded the Argentine Navy, didn't give them much of an issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Power#:~:text=Samantha%20Jane%20Power%20(born%20September,Nations%20from%202013%20to%202017.

Samantha Power, born in London, but Irish, made it to the US National Security Council, and later UN Ambassador.

Actually, I'll leave it there just to spare your embarrassment. I won't even go into the number of Irish people who had senior posts in the UK.

Floppybits · 23-09-2020 11:23AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Last I heard, many Irishmen went to New York and became policemen, let's have a little look at some history for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_(admiral)#:~:text=Founder%20of%20the%20Argentine%20Navy,1%2C200%20streets%20named%20after%20him.&text=William%20Brown%20(also%20known%20in,an%20Irish%2Dborn%20Argentine%20admiral.

Admiral William Brown, an Irishman founded the Argentine Navy, didn't give them much of an issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Power#:~:text=Samantha%20Jane%20Power%20(born%20September,Nations%20from%202013%20to%202017.

Samantha Power, born in London, but Irish, made it to the US National Security Council, and later UN Ambassador.

Actually, I'll leave it there just to spare your embarrassment. I won't even go into the number of Irish people who had senior posts in the UK.

You really are being disingenuous here and it is something that you seem to do a lot on here in defense of the government.

Tell me has a person been posted to the head of the security agency in the either the UK or US who held a high position in the security services that those countries were in conflict with?

I think you and your colleagues such as Regirl and few others are either employed by the government parties and just trotting out the government line or you are a WUM.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 11:31AM

Floppybits wrote: »

You really are being disingenuous here and it is something that you seem to do a lot on here in defense of the government.

Tell me has a person been posted to the head of the security agency in the either the UK or US who held a high position in the security services that those countries were in conflict with?

I think you and your colleagues such as Regirl and few others are either employed by the government parties and just trotting out the government line or you are a WUM.

We are not in conflict with the UK!! What a silly notion.

Appointment to the National Security Council in the US is about as high as you can go in terms of security clearance and knowledge.

FrancieBrady · 23-09-2020 11:35AM

blanch152 wrote: »

We are not in conflict with the UK!! What a silly notion.

Do you understand the word 'were'?

Instead of inventing stuff why not answer the posters question?

dundalkfc10 · 23-09-2020 11:46AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Northern Ireland is one-third the size of the South, Stormont has few powers we have been told, that suggests somewhere over 60 advisers in total would be similar for the government down South.

It's been linked here loads of time what powers the Govt up North have. Have a look because you obvs havnt a clue as you keep asking/making silly statements

Anyway this is not a Sinn Féin thread although it's remarkable a government thread is about Sinn Féin this, Sinn Féin that, when you are one of the ones who dont want Sinn Féin in Govt so why talk about them every day on a Govt thread

JP Liz V1 · 23-09-2020 11:46AM

The pay of TDs will rise to close to Celtic Tiger levels next week when a wage hike pushes their earnings above €98,000 a year.

INDEPENDENT

Floppybits · 23-09-2020 11:54AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The pay of TDs will rise to close to Celtic Tiger levels next week when a wage hike pushes their earnings above €98,000 a year.

INDEPENDENT

TD's love an auld pay increase especially when times are tough.

Yurt2 · 23-09-2020 11:57AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Last I heard, many Irishmen went to New York and became policemen, let's have a little look at some history for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_(admiral)#:~:text=Founder%20of%20the%20Argentine%20Navy,1%2C200%20streets%20named%20after%20him.&text=William%20Brown%20(also%20known%20in,an%20Irish%2Dborn%20Argentine%20admiral.

Admiral William Brown, an Irishman founded the Argentine Navy, didn't give them much of an issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Power#:~:text=Samantha%20Jane%20Power%20(born%20September,Nations%20from%202013%20to%202017.

Samantha Power, born in London, but Irish, made it to the US National Security Council, and later UN Ambassador.

Actually, I'll leave it there just to spare your embarrassment. I won't even go into the number of Irish people who had senior posts in the UK.

Samantha Power ditched her Irish citizenship to take up the aforementioned roles.

A copper on the streets of Queens is not comesurate with the head of the security and intelligence apparatus.

I guarantee you William Browne wasn't wielding British citizenship when heading the Argentine navy.

Are your cheeks blushed reading this?

McMurphy · 23-09-2020 12:46PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Why did the poster reference his nationality, and extend that to the related concept of dual nationality not being acceptable either?

If it looks like a duck....etc.

Afternoon Blanch, I believe you have already been put back in to your box over this absolute nonsense, however.

blanch152 wrote: »

Who is my chum?

As for your question, which is designed for whataboutery rather than any real need for an answer.......

Constitutionally, a TD must be an Irish citizen (I would be ok with this being changed but it is the democratically expressed will of the Irish people). Gardai, Defence Forces and civil servants are not allowed become TDs. In my opinion, a Commissioner should ideally have held Ministerial rank in an Irish government (Richard Bruton would have been my choice to replace Hogan), so I would have an express preference therefore that our Commissioner be Irish because of the legalities of being a TD.

That does not translate into the kind of xenophobia being displayed on here in respect of Drew Harris as it arises from a purely technical issue. Incidentally, while a TD must be Irish, a garda Commissioner has no such constitutional restriction.

I meant to come back to this one yesterday but got distracted in my job.

Nice try blanch - but when I was posting about "Hogan's replacement needing to be Irish" I sure as hell wasn't referring to who our govt nominated to replace Hogan..

They (the people stating that the new trade Commissioner should be Irish) were obviously referring to the role he resigned from. I.E trade Commissioner.

So with that in mind, do you think people who were suggesting the Hogan's replacement as Trade Commissioner "needing to be Irish" was xenophobic?

23-09-2020 12:47PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Back on topic:

- The incumbent government is terrible
- Fine Gael B.O.Ts are trash and riddled with multi accounts from banned posters who are on the cusp of a psychological meltdown

Brilliant. Love your sense of humour.

smurgen · 23-09-2020 12:54PM

Hi Blanch I've asked you before and I'll ask again. Do you think Drew Harris done a good job of investigating and into the Gleananne gang? Do you think he was right to shut down the HET inquiry?

https://twitter.com/SilverbridgeGAA/status/1306335685557747718?s=19

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 01:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do you understand the word 'were'?

Instead of inventing stuff why not answer the posters question?

I think you didn't even read my post.

Samantha Power, born in London, automatic UK citizen, member of National Security Council of former colony which fought a War of Independence to become free. Exactly analagous to Drew Harris.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 01:32PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Afternoon Blanch, I believe you have already been put back in to your box over this absolute nonsense, however.

I meant to come back to this one yesterday but got distracted in my job.

Nice try blanch - but when I was posting about "Hogan's replacement needing to be Irish" I sure as hell wasn't referring to who our govt nominated to replace Hogan..

They (the people stating that the new trade Commissioner should be Irish) were obviously referring to the role he resigned from. I.E trade Commissioner.

So with that in mind, do you think people who were suggesting the Hogan's replacement as Trade Commissioner "needing to be Irish" was xenophobic?

Well, I don't recall anyone saying that. I do recall public commentary that Ireland needed to hold on to the Trade Commissioner post, but that is not xenophobic, in that Ireland could have nominated Leo Varadkar, a man with an entitlement to Indian citizenship.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 01:33PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The pay of TDs will rise to close to Celtic Tiger levels next week when a wage hike pushes their earnings above €98,000 a year.

INDEPENDENT

Wow, the pay of TDs will be close to what it was in 2008!!! Gosh, they have been on the pigs back for the last 12 years then.

Hawthorn Tree · 23-09-2020 02:10PM

smurgen wrote: »

Anyone know why the junior ministers are getting advisors? Is this usual?

It's waste and cronyism which has been the FFG policy for 30+ years now.
Why do we need so many junior ministers? Super juniors?
The timing of reducing PUP payments while hiring special advisors is another FFG classic.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ten-new-advisers-to-junior-ministers-to-be-appointed-despite-previous-government-decision-1.4361444

The Cabinet has agreed to appoint of 10 new advisers for junior ministers after they “made the case” for the appointments.

Previously, Ministers of State were told that they would have to share a pool of advisers, which caused consternation amongst some.

The pay for special advisers is between €87,325 and € 101,114 for those who work with senior and “super-junior” Ministers who attend Cabinet, and between €67,659 and €78,816 for advisers to Ministers of State.

Pigs in the trough while Ireland suffers.

blanch152 · 23-09-2020 02:16PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It's waste and cronyism which has been the FFG policy for 30+ years now.
Why do we need so many junior ministers? Super juniors?
The timing of reducing PUP payments while hiring special advisors is another FFG classic.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ten-new-advisers-to-junior-ministers-to-be-appointed-despite-previous-government-decision-1.4361444

Pigs in the trough while Ireland suffers.

It's a strange one, you wouldn't get a decent adviser for 60/70k.

Brendan Bendar · 23-09-2020 02:19PM

Were they up in McAleers bar after the big game?

Social distancing..No

Face coverings..No

Up on tables..Yes

Sectarian songs..Yes

Not a word about these cretins.

Not a lot of suffering up in McAleers Bar, cock

Hawthorn Tree · 23-09-2020 02:20PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It's a strange one, you wouldn't get a decent adviser for 60/70k.

Their current team of advisors and PR merchants are definitely way overpaid. Calamitous communications and planning over the past 90 days.

Hawthorn Tree · 23-09-2020 02:23PM

This is from July

https://www.thejournal.ie/advisers-2-4731950-Jul2019/

FOUR MINISTERS HAVE special advisers whose pay breaches the maximum salary for their roles, new figures have revealed.

The latest list of government special advisers published this week shows the pay rates of 58 different advisers employed to provide advice to different ministers.

A total of seven of the advisers are on pay rates above the peak of the pay scale for their roles.

Special advisers are placed on the Principal Officer scale, which begins at €79,401 and tops out at €91,624.

According to the latest special advisers list, the Taioiseach’s chief of staff Brian Murphy has the highest salary of €157,433.

58 advisers in the coalition of chaos.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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