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dundalkfc10 · 21-09-2020 06:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

81 people and nobody took a picture? Yeh right.

It will eventually come out who was at this event

smurgen · 21-09-2020 07:24PM

It's funny. The same posters that are dismissing the criticism of Drew Harris as xenophobia are the same posters that we're telling us the sky was gonna fall if Phil Hogan lost the EU trade commission that a non Irish trade Commission couldn't possibly represent Ireland's interests. I must say the FFG double think is a sight to behold! Big Brother would be proud.

McMurphy · 21-09-2020 07:42PM

smurgen wrote: »

It's funny. The same posters that are dismissing the criticism of Drew Harris as xenophobia are the same posters that we're telling us the sky was gonna fall if Phil Hogan lost the EU trade commission that a non Irish trade Commission couldn't possibly represent Ireland's interests. I must say the FFG double think is a sight to behold! Big Brother would be proud.

Didn't we have a poster imply that others were being xenophobic and racist because they were pointing as to how Harris' is completely the wrong person for the role in one breath.

And then remind us all that Harris (born and bred on this island) is as Irish as the rest of us in the next breath.

Confused or goading? You decide.

Personally I couldn't give a dam if Drew Harris is yellow headed spaghetti monster from the planet Zogg - his race, creed/religion or nationality has the square root of absolutely shag all to do with his unsuitability for the job.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 08:04PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I think the Golf event was a disgrace

But seriously, this was an illegal event held in a built up area. With no security, have you seen the videos of the mess afterwards? what about people with young kids trying to get them to sleep? people working the next morning? all sort could of happened.

I would say I was surprised anyone would compare the event but then I looked at which thread I was on.

Redgirl I'm sorry. Didn't you take issue with laws and rules the last day saying people should exercise personal responsibility? Surely given the strong stance you took on non government intervention you'd be calling out the FG senator looking for Garda prosecutions?

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 08:13PM

smurgen wrote: »

Redgirl I'm sorry. Didn't you take issue with laws and rules the last day saying people should exercise personal responsibility? Surely given the strong stance you took on non government intervention you'd be calling out the FG senator looking for Garda prosecutions?

What are you talking about?

I think you are still struggling to understand personal responsibility, fairly pointless going down that rabbit hole again

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 08:14PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

If you move in the right circles, fairly standard not to take a photo every 5 seconds at an event.

Some of the greatest self publicists in the country? Nah, not buying it. I reckon there was a camera ban because they knew what they were doing.
Just an opinion.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 08:20PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

What are you talking about?

I think you are still struggling to understand personal responsibility, fairly pointless going down that rabbit hole again

Go on give us that lecture you were promising for the laugh.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 08:54PM

smurgen wrote: »

Go on give us that lecture you were promising for the laugh.

Maybe, you could comment on the topic instead of a constant barage about of posts about me? Just an idea.

Even go back to repeats the same ad nauseam in the desperate hope someone will comment is better than this current line of dribble.......

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 08:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some of the greatest self publicists in the country? Nah, not buying it. I reckon there was a camera ban because they knew what they were doing.
Just an opinion.

An opinion based on what? do you normally travel in these circles? have experience of what happens at these events?

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 08:57PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Surely anyone who is a citizen of this state should be questioning the appointment of Harris to Garda commissioner. It doesn't matter what party a person may or may not support that appointment should not have been made.

I am in agreement, I think we should all make sure he is fired from his job, can you share with me the details you have on him and I will share with everyone I know. Send me the links/sources all the information to show what this man is truely like. Lets get him fired.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 08:59PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

An opinion based on what? do you normally travel in these circles? have experience of what happens at these events?

Yes, I have. At dinners or events hosted by celebs/high achievers in their fields at the top table. Phil Hogan being that person at this dinner.
EVERYONE wants a pic with the celeb or high achiever or cannot wait to tell the world where they are. Staff would be even snapping away in a general interest way. But not at this event seemingly. Extremely odd how they managed to keep it pic free and also enforce an omerta on who was there.

Hawthorn Tree · 21-09-2020 09:04PM

Prime Time doing a good program on whistblowing and the state. HSE not looking too good.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 09:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, I have. At dinners or events hosted by celebs/high achievers in their fields at the top table. Phil Hogan being that person at this dinner.
EVERYONE wants a pic with the celeb or high achiever or cannot wait to tell the world where they are. Staff would be even snapping away in a general interest way. But not at this event seemingly. Extremely odd how they managed to keep it pic free and also enforce an omerta on who was there.

Thats a load of regular people with one semi famous person. Not a similar event at all. The few people I seen where all of the same or similar social status.

Why would any of the people at the event want to take a photo to show they met someone they regular meet? And travel in the same circle?

No idea why you need to use caps!

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 09:08PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Prime Time doing a good program on whistblowing and the state. HSE not looking too good.

When has the HSE ever looked good?

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 09:18PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Thats a load of regular people with one semi famous person. Not a similar event at all. The few people I seen where all of the same or similar social status.

Why would any of the people at the event want to take a photo to show they met someone they regular meet? And travel in the same circle?

No idea why you need to use caps!

Some were politicians, not all of them were. And hi, they are regular people, no better or no worse than you and me.

Families meet up for weddings/events all the time and snap away evne though they are in company with one another all the time...football dinners, etc. Go to these politicians twitters and they are always posting stuff that makes them look good, more so than most people, I would say, because of the nature of the job.
Why are you so defensive all the time...it is just an opinion and you aren't a FG/FF lackey but you are on the defensive ALL the time.

Caps are for emphasis...a long time standard thing to do on boards. I remember another poster getting in a strop about me using caps too. (Shefwedfan it was)

Hawthorn Tree · 21-09-2020 09:24PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

When has the HSE ever looked good?

John Egan sent off tonight leading to a 1-0 loss.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 09:29PM

Seems like Leo it ignored a fair few letters from whistleblowers.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 09:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some were politicians, not all of them were. And hi, they are regular people, no better or no worse than you and me.

Families meet up for weddings/events all the time and snap away evne though they are in company with one another all the time...football dinners, etc. Go to these politicians twitters and they are always posting stuff that makes them look good, more so than most people, I would say, because of the nature of the job.
Why are you so defensive all the time...it is just an opinion and you aren't a FG/FF lackey but you are on the defensive ALL the time.

Caps are for emphasis...a long time standard thing to do on boards. I remember another poster getting in a strop about me using caps too. (Shefwedfan it was)

You all seemed very interested in this shefwedfan character? Did you go around stalking him/her on boards as well?

I wasn’t in a strop, I was asking why you felt the need, it’s something I seen kids do and was wondering.

Someone asks a question and you all fly off the handle, why is that? I see a good few of you spend the entire time telling each other how great they are, looks like you can’t handle it when someone doesn’t agree with everything?

Personally the circles I travel in we don’t do photo/social media. Wedding, like mine, we had camera left for everyone which they could take photos all day long and then left as they went home. No photos to social media....

Give a example, group have a party in flats in town and photo/video all around the world. Group of people have golf event and not one picture.

NITARILHAM13 · 21-09-2020 09:30PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No such thing as a "left alliance", that was clear after PBP had to come out after the FF/FG/Green start negotiations to say SF had not come near them. Bit of a nail in that coffin every getting anywhere.

Some people might not like it, lets see how it works. FF in reality have to push and make this a success or they will struggle in next election.

A lot of finger pointing at the Greens which seems unfair seeing as any party which went into government had to push the green agenda forward.

Still to be passed by membership but at this stage it would be suicide for any party to pull out.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 09:38PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

You all seemed very interested in this shefwedfan character? Did you go around stalking him/her on boards as well?

I wasn’t in a strop, I was asking why you felt the need, it’s something I seen kids do and was wondering.

Someone asks a question and you all fly off the handle, why is that? I see a good few of you spend the entire time telling each other how great they are, looks like you can’t handle it when someone doesn’t agree with everything?

Personally the circles I travel in we don’t do photo/social media. Wedding, like mine, we had camera left for everyone which they could take photos all day long and then left as they went home. No photos to social media....

Give a example, group have a party in flats in town and photo/video all around the world. Group of people have golf event and not one picture.

I thought it was interesting that's why.

Anyone who uses forums knows that ALL CAPS is generally taken as 'shouting' and using a single word in caps is usually meant to denote and emphasis on THAT particular word.

81 people gathered for an event and not one pic has emerged and there was an immediate omerta about who all the guests were. That is worthy of note IMO.

Don't be so defensive.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 09:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought it was interesting that's why.

Anyone who uses forums knows that ALL CAPS is generally taken as 'shouting' and using a single word in caps is usually meant to denote and emphasis on THAT particular word.

81 people gathered for an event and not one pic has emerged and there was an immediate omerta about who all the guests were. That is worthy of note IMO.

Don't be so defensive.

So far you cannot post without saying something personal about me? I guess the plan is to get someone to respond and get banned. Not going to work.

I’m not defensive, just pointing out the utter bullsh*t been posted.

In regards to photos, as I said a certain element of society yes photos would come out, the higher end of society and I wouldn’t expect photos. The fact you cannot understand why photos didn’t get taken tells it own story

I don’t see what difference photos would make, the main people of interest got found out and lost jobs, I would say it seems odd to want to look at the rest of the people eating dinner but then we have people on this thread stalking posters.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 09:53PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So far you cannot post without saying something personal about me? I guess the plan is to get someone to respond and get banned. Not going to work.

I’m not defensive as I already pointed out, just pointing out the utter bullsh*t been posted.

In regards to photos, as I said a certain element of society yes photos would come out, the higher end of society and I wouldn’t expect photos. The fact you cannot understand why photos didn’t get taken tells it own story

I don’t see what difference photos would make, the main people of interest got found out and lost jobs, I would say it seems odd to want to look at the rest of the people eating dinner but then we have people on this thread stalking posters.

If it was organised with a camera ban and an omerta on who was there (sensitive guests who don't want to be identified) that is of course of interest.

I think you are talking rubbish about 'high end of society'...my local FF gene pool councillor was there and he is not high end anything. In fact he would be the very person who would not wait to tell you he was n the company of an EU commissioner. Plenty others like him there.

You are defensive...you have been defending the government here for the last number of days even though you claim not to hold them in high regard. That doesn't ring true.
And please...you are quick enough with personal comment about peoples grammar and beliefs yourself. Pot and kettle come to mind.

Ten of Swords · 21-09-2020 09:57PM

Mod - that's enough accusations towards Redgirl82, it's gone on for pages now. The site admins can take a look, in the mean time move on and get the thread back on topic.

Any more of these posts will result in an immediate threadban

dundalkfc10 · 21-09-2020 11:56PM

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Mod - that's enough accusations towards Redgirl82, it's gone on for pages now. The site admins can take a look, in the mean time move on and get the thread back on topic.

Any more of these posts will result in an immediate threadban

All boils down to the establishment is falling, quicker than anyone could think.

They might even try last the 4 years but Leo might think he has a chance of winning soon

markodaly · 22-09-2020 12:04AM

smurgen wrote: »

He has seriously shady behavior. Shutting down enquiries into mass murder when he didn't have the proper authority to do it. His crash into Garda bollards was bizarre also as was the refusal to comment on it. Then you've the interference in our elections. I said it before and I'll say it again. No other country in the world would have picked him for the job. In most other countries dual citizenship alone would rule you out for the role.

So, because he holds another passport (as per his right under the GFA) he is not Irish enough.
Do you support the GFA or not?

Well, at least you out yourself as a xenophobe.

markodaly · 22-09-2020 12:09AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Who is asking questions about Drew Harris? I have only seen a few cranks on the internet ask questions. Even the SF politicians shut up about him very quickly.

Where are you going with your vast majority who don't support SF are asking questions?

Harris attracts the same type of people who attacked Obama about his birth certificate.
The 'birthers' of Ireland hate him. Social Media is full of vile stuff about this man, most of it orchestrated.

Of course, its all smoke and mirrors. No proof, no evidence, just weird accusations and mud slinging.

On a more serious note, this is the type of UI we can look forward to if SF drives it, one where Unionists or 'Prods' are not to be trusted and will be left outside the door when it comes to positions of authority and responsibility.

markodaly · 22-09-2020 12:12AM

smurgen wrote: »

I'm xenophobic? That's a serious accusations please retract it. You're saying all other countries allow non nationals or citizens to become head of police. Is this correct?

Afaik, he holds an Irish Passport, so yes, you are xenophobic because he is not Irish enough.

Yurt2 · 22-09-2020 01:53AM

markodaly wrote: »

Afaik, he holds an Irish Passport, so yes, you are xenophobic because he is not Irish enough.

To be perfectly frank, I think this a cheap and frankly b*llocks line of arguement. I believe certain posters are doing what they always do,.trying to make a sacred cow out of an individual for poltical purposes.

I have no particular ill-will towards Harris or the appointment of him from outside the jurisdiction, but let's be real, the judicial review up north of him sh*tcanning an independent investigation body into matters that had a high chance of revealing state collision is not kind to him.

He may well turn out to be a very expensive mistake in that context.

You don't need to be member of SF to be uneasy with his MI5 links either. Lest it be forgot, they are and were not nice people in the NI context. And if you're moral grandstanding about the dead, you need to be prepared to grandstand about them all, no matter who was responsible.

No individual is unimpeachable, and attempts to turn Harris into a sacred cow are dangerous.

markodaly · 22-09-2020 02:16AM

Yurt! wrote: »

No individual is unimpeachable, and attempts to turn Harris into a sacred cow are dangerous.

Unimpeachale? No, of course not. No one has suggested this.

However, may I remind you that it was posters like FrancieBrady and Smurgen that brought Harris in to the conversation.
Smurgen even goes on to say..

A Garda commissioner that needs immediate removal.

...because he cannot be trusted.

He didn't do anything wrong as Garda Comminiosr mind you, there is no accusations that he was unbecoming in that role, but because he is not Irish enough, he cannot be 'trusted'.

Why are you not willing to call out this blatent sectarian and xenophobic nonsense?

Yurt2 · 22-09-2020 02:40AM

markodaly wrote: »

Unimpeachale? No, of course not. No one has suggested this.

However, may I remind you that it was posters like FrancieBrady and Smurgen that brought Harris in to the conversation.
Smurgen even goes on to say..

...because he cannot be trusted.

He didn't do anything wrong as Garda Comminiosr mind you, there is no accusations that he was unbecoming in that role, but because he is not Irish enough, he cannot be 'trusted'.

Why are you not willing to call out this blatent sectarian and xenophobic nonsense?

This is scutter.

And yes, I fully believe you're attempting to make a sacred cow out of an individual has one of the most sensitive roles in the state.

Partisan garbage

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