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Muahahaha · 21-09-2020 03:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So we live in Germany now.

People spread the virus, not meat factories, not sick pay schemes, not tax avoidance arrangements.

It is funny that Sinn Fein want the meat factories closed and the pubs opened.

You said the meat plants dodging taxes through the use of subcontractors it was a conspiracy theory and were proven wrong. Now when shown it was widespread in Germany too suddenly its off on a rant about spreading the virus, I didnt even mention the virus, only the tax dogging that FFG are complicit in by not shutting it down like the Germans are doing.

But dont take my word for it, here is the Financial Times reporting on it

While Germany has a generous welfare system, strong trade unions and a general lack of labour strife, its meat industry is the glaring exception. German slaughterhouses exploit a loophole in the system: subcontractors supply the bulk of workforces — mostly eastern Europeans. Activists long struggled to focus public attention on an industry that delivers low prices at the cost of miserable conditions for tens of thousands of foreign workers. It took the pandemic to force a national reckoning

Hubertus Heil, Germany’s minister of labour, has vowed to place a law to end subcontracting in front of parliament, with a new system in place by 2021. Some foreign-owned plants already said they were behind the move. “We fully back plans to end this subcontracting system,” says Jens Hansen, a spokesman for Danish Crown, which moved some production to Germany to save up to 50 per cent on processes such as pig deboning. “It has been a challenge to the meat industry all over Europe, to have such low-cost workers for meat in Germany.”
https://www.ft.com/content/5284d0d3-8c27-4e63-8790-7df0f8760581

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So whats your claim now blanch, that its a conspiracy theory in Ireland but somehow not one in Germany? And why have FFG not acted to end this tax dodge for meat barons like the Germans are doing, is it because the meat barons have FFG in their pockets or some other reason we are unaware of?

21-09-2020 04:05PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Look over there! Paul Murphy!

*They are both on record speaking in Dáil Éireann on meat plant conditions and covid FYI

Look over there!

Really? But not where people might actually hear them! If it really was the problem as claimed here, they’d be rallying the troops and making a nuisance of themselves.

James Brown · 21-09-2020 04:18PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So we live in Germany now.

People spread the virus, not meat factories, not sick pay schemes, not tax avoidance arrangements.

It is funny that Sinn Fein want the meat factories closed and the pubs opened.

What's even funner is chicken wings helping some pubs stay open while meat factories with covid clusters are okay too. Actually its not funny.

To be clear if a pub opened whats the fear, it might create covid clusters? Sure that's the peoples fault....

smurgen · 21-09-2020 04:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The mask slips again to reveal the racist sectarian xenophobic face of Sinn Fein.

I'm xenophobic? That's a serious accusations please retract it. You're saying all other countries allow non nationals or citizens to become head of police. Is this correct?

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 04:32PM

smurgen wrote: »

I'm xenophobic? That's a serious accusations please retract it. You're saying all other countries allow non nationals or citizens to become head of police. Is this correct?

Why does it matter where a person comes from if they can do the job?

smurgen · 21-09-2020 04:38PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Why does it matter where a person comes from if they can do the job?

This sums it up better than I can put it. Now think of this in the context of someone who has worked at a high rank in a foreign intelligence force that has murdered Irish citizens.

"In the United States, dual citizenship is associated with two categories of security concerns: foreign influence and foreign preference. Contrary to common misconceptions, dual citizenship in itself is not the major problem in obtaining or retaining security clearance in the United States. As a matter of fact, if a security clearance applicant's dual citizenship is "based solely on parents' citizenship or birth in a foreign country", that can be a mitigating condition.[77] However, taking advantage of the entitlements of a non-US citizenship can cause problems. For example, possession or use of a foreign passport is a condition disqualifying one from security clearance"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

There are multiple policies forces that won't let you even apply for entry as an office if you're not a citizen e.g Denmark let alone be the head of police.

blanch152 · 21-09-2020 05:13PM

smurgen wrote: »

I'm xenophobic? That's a serious accusations please retract it. You're saying all other countries allow non nationals or citizens to become head of police. Is this correct?

Well then, if not, at the very least you are a partitionist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Drew as Irish as me or you?

smurgen wrote: »

This sums it up better than I can put it. Now think of this in the context of someone who has worked at a high rank in a foreign intelligence force that has murdered Irish citizens.

"In the United States, dual citizenship is associated with two categories of security concerns: foreign influence and foreign preference. Contrary to common misconceptions, dual citizenship in itself is not the major problem in obtaining or retaining security clearance in the United States. As a matter of fact, if a security clearance applicant's dual citizenship is "based solely on parents' citizenship or birth in a foreign country", that can be a mitigating condition.[77] However, taking advantage of the entitlements of a non-US citizenship can cause problems. For example, possession or use of a foreign passport is a condition disqualifying one from security clearance"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

There are multiple policies forces that won't let you even apply for entry as an office if you're not a citizen e.g Denmark let alone be the head of police.

Wow, just wow. The GFA enshrines the right to dual citizenship on every person born in Northern Ireland yet you don't like it. The mask slips again.

Let's face it, because he comes from a Protestant unionist tradition, his face doesn't fit with the sectarian nationalists who inhabit these threads. Have the moral courage to be honest about it.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 05:16PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's face it, because he comes from a Protestant unionist tradition,

Would ya ever get off the pot.

That is just deceitful rubbish. There is a very good reason why questions should be asked of this man and it was all in that programme you are in denial off.

James Brown · 21-09-2020 05:20PM

markodaly wrote: »

Xenophobic racist nonsense from you.

What next? Irish jobs for Irish people?

blanch152 wrote: »

The mask slips again to reveal the racist sectarian xenophobic face of Sinn Fein.

On the party script any way lads. Do you get a list of key words to throw out? Like a word of the day thing?

Laughable from a party allows a blueshirt admirer in its ranks, a minister try put on a parade for tans and a leader who thinks the civil service is very white but tweets Trump like #WLM comments.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 05:25PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Well then, if not, at the very least you are a partitionist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Drew as Irish as me or you?

Wow, just wow. The GFA enshrines the right to dual citizenship on every person born in Northern Ireland yet you don't like it. The mask slips again.

Let's face it, because he comes from a Protestant unionist tradition, his face doesn't fit with the sectarian nationalists who inhabit these threads. Have the moral courage to be honest about it.

Take back the accusation of xenophobia please.

JohnnyFlash · 21-09-2020 05:29PM

Martin McGuinness shouldn’t have been allowed for President using the latest line of Shinner Spinner logic being spouted around here.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 05:33PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Why does it matter where a person comes from if they can do the job?

In the investigation of the 120 Glennane gangs murders drew harris was not able to secure a single conviction. Does this scream competency to you?
He then shut down the inquiry into the collision. With no explanation. This is beyond suspicious.why would you think he will tackle loyalist terrorists if something happens as a result of brexit. He has a blind spot during his career that is the elephant in the room.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 05:37PM

smurgen wrote: »

In the investigation of the 120 Glennane gangs murders drew harris was not able to secure a single conviction. Does this scream competency to you?
He then shut down the inquiry into the collision. With no explanation. This is beyond suspicious.why would you think he will tackle loyalist terrorists if something happens as a result of brexit. He has a blind spot during his career that is the elephant in the room.

The shutting down of the inquiry was actually 'unlawful' something that didnt tarnish his CV when he came looking for a job here.

If you or I did something unlawful would we get the most senior job in an organisation?

smurgen · 21-09-2020 05:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The shutting down of the inquiry was actually 'unlawful' something that didnt tarnish his CV when he came looking for a job here.

If you or I did something unlawful would we get the most senior job in an organisation?

Not a snowballs chance in hell. Even his failures should have rule him out let alone all the other baggage surrounding him.the only think that got him that role was his hatred of Sinn Fein. And didn't he show his worth making interference in the election. Making claims he has yet to provide evidence to back up. A banana republic.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 05:49PM

smurgen wrote: »

In the investigation of the 120 Glennane gangs murders drew harris was not able to secure a single conviction. Does this scream competency to you?
He then shut down the inquiry into the collision. With no explanation. This is beyond suspicious.why would you think he will tackle loyalist terrorists if something happens as a result of brexit. He has a blind spot during his career that is the elephant in the room.

None of which you can prove. But you have got the reaction you wanted after posting this twice, what happened if nobody quoted it? would you post it again?

smurgen · 21-09-2020 05:52PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

None of which you can prove. But you have got the reaction you wanted after posting this twice, what happened if nobody quoted it? would you post it again?

You've posted this three times now. Boring poster is boring.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 05:55PM

smurgen wrote: »

You've posted this three times now. Boring poster is boring.

Maybe answer the question, how many times would you have posted the same thing till you got a response?

smurgen · 21-09-2020 05:55PM

Ah it looks like Fine Gael are pushing for prosecutions for the Oliver Bond flats rave. Admirable. However I noted that they had no such call to arms for the golf pissup? Kearney sounds livid!!!

https://www.finegael.ie/rave-organisers-must-be-prosecuted-seery-kearney/

Floppybits · 21-09-2020 05:56PM

I know I shouldn't be shocked but the level of turning a blind eye to the Drew Harris appointment is astonishing. It has nothing to do with jobs for the Irish or its because he is a protestant and the folks making those statements know this but cannot nor will not accept that Harris is was not the correct appointment.

He shouldn't have been appointed because of his history with RUC, the shutting down of investigations and also is supposed link's to MI5. Anyone one of those should have ruled out any candidate for the job, his ties are too close. Also the fact that the Garda are responsibility for the security of the state should have ruled him out as well. Any candidate from any other country we are friendly with that didn't have his connections to the troubles or MI5 would have been suitable.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 05:58PM

smurgen wrote: »

Ah it looks like Fine Gael are pushing for prosecutions for the Oliver Bond flats rave. Admirable. However I noted that they had no such call to arms for the golf pissup? Kearney sounds livid!!!

https://www.finegael.ie/rave-organisers-must-be-prosecuted-seery-kearney/

I think the Golf event was a disgrace

But seriously, this was an illegal event held in a built up area. With no security, have you seen the videos of the mess afterwards? what about people with young kids trying to get them to sleep? people working the next morning? all sort could of happened.

I would say I was surprised anyone would compare the event but then I looked at which thread I was on.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 06:05PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I think the Golf event was a disgrace

But seriously, this was an illegal event held in a built up area. With no security, have you seen the videos of the mess afterwards? what about people with young kids trying to get them to sleep? people working the next morning? all sort could of happened.

I would say I was surprised anyone would compare the event but then I looked at which thread I was on.

The Golf event was against regulations and no security. We didn't see a single picture of it or video funnily enough. We don't as yet even know who was at it.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 06:05PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I think the Golf event was a disgrace

But seriously, this was an illegal event held in a built up area. With no security, have you seen the videos of the mess afterwards? what about people with young kids trying to get them to sleep? people working the next morning? all sort could of happened.

I would say I was surprised anyone would compare the event but then I looked at which thread I was on.

Oh I'm in agreement with you two illegal events. Both which should see convictions and fines. I just think it's curious FG and it's T.D's are so proactive about condemning one and calling for Garda prosecutions in one of the events.

Floppybits · 21-09-2020 06:09PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I would say I was surprised anyone would compare the event but then I looked at which thread I was on.

I would have said the same about those that can't see the reasons why people have an issue with Drew Harris as Garda Commissioner but there ya go.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 06:10PM

Floppybits wrote: »

I know I shouldn't be shocked but the level of turning a blind eye to the Drew Harris appointment is astonishing. It has nothing to do with jobs for the Irish or its because he is a protestant and the folks making those statements know this but cannot nor will not accept that Harris is was not the correct appointment.

He shouldn't have been appointed because of his history with RUC, the shutting down of investigations and also is supposed link's to MI5. Anyone one of those should have ruled out any candidate for the job, his ties are too close. Also the fact that the Garda are responsibility for the security of the state should have ruled him out as well. Any candidate from any other country we are friendly with that didn't have his connections to the troubles or MI5 would have been suitable.

It makes you wonder what the die hard anyone but Sinn Fein crowd would turn a blind eye too if Brexit turned nasty. Him traveling in the psni car without informing Gardai took the biscuit. Can you imagine what he might get up to in the event of a nasty brexit? Would he continue to use psni cars?

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/drew-harris-challenged-to-clarify-details-of-car-crash-at-garda-hq

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 06:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Golf event was against regulations and no security. We didn't see a single picture of it or video funnily enough. We don't as yet even know who was at it.

It was a dinner in a hotel.

Why would you see a picture or video of it? do you like watching people eat?

Colonel Claptrap · 21-09-2020 06:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Golf event was against regulations and no security. We didn't see a single picture of it or video funnily enough. We don't as yet even know who was at it.

Most people don't snapchat every moment of their waking life. Seems reasonable.

Then again, some people take selfies at funerals.

Each to their own.

Redgirl82 · 21-09-2020 06:12PM

smurgen wrote: »

Oh I'm in agreement with you two illegal events. Both which should see convictions and fines. I just think it's curious FG and it's T.D's are so proactive about condemning one and calling for Garda prosecutions in one of the events.

Maybe you are, maybe a few others are. The rest of the World, well not so much.

I really do need to get one of the government parties to say the World is round to see you lads argue that it is flat.

Floppybits · 21-09-2020 06:13PM

smurgen wrote: »

It makes you wonder what the die hard anyone but Sinn Fein crowd would turn a blind eye too if Brexit turned nasty. Him traveling in the psni car without informing Gardai took the biscuit. Can you imagine what he might get up to in the event of a nasty brexit? Would he continue to use psni cars?

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/drew-harris-challenged-to-clarify-details-of-car-crash-at-garda-hq

Surely anyone who is a citizen of this state should be questioning the appointment of Harris to Garda commissioner. It doesn't matter what party a person may or may not support that appointment should not have been made.

smurgen · 21-09-2020 06:36PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Surely anyone who is a citizen of this state should be questioning the appointment of Harris to Garda commissioner. It doesn't matter what party a person may or may not support that appointment should not have been made.

What's so so curious about Harris is that he was more than willing to investigate, give evidence and even more testimony when it suited him. Like when he accused Gardai of colluding with the IRA.

"The Garda Síochána Retired Members Association, which represents almost 6,000 retired gardaí and widows, said former gardaí particularly in Dundalk had "very real concerns" about his evidence.

The association says because of Mr Harris' "key role with MI5 and Special Branch Intelligence, he must hold sensitive information of interest to the Irish State."

It has questioned whether he will share this information in his role as Garda Commissioner.

The Association also claims that Mr Harris "has been swamped in controversy before he even gets off the blocks."

https://www.rte.ie/amp/990804/

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2020 06:54PM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Most people don't snapchat every moment of their waking life. Seems reasonable.

Then again, some people take selfies at funerals.

Each to their own.

81 people and nobody took a picture? Yeh right.

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