Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

weldoninhio · 21-09-2020 10:59AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

If they are too stupid or ignorant to listen to advice then the law needs to step in. Large fines, criminal records, jail time etc. That will soon force a bit of cop on into these brain dead idiots who can’t just do the very simple thing of staying at home and not spreading the virus.

Never gonna happen. Impossible to implement

21-09-2020 11:01AM

Joel Deafening Link wrote: »

" I'd love another lockdown as the last one neither effected my job or my earnings, please sir can I have some more"

Another perk of ASTI membership

People need to stop moaning and get on with it. We're in this for the long haul and partial restrictions will be ever present. I haven't heard a whimper out of a supermarket worker yet, of course theirs isn't a soft landing.

JRant · 21-09-2020 11:09AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

If they are too stupid or ignorant to listen to advice then the law needs to step in. Large fines, criminal records, jail time etc. That will soon force a bit of cop on into these brain dead idiots who can’t just do the very simple thing of staying at home and not spreading the virus.

Think about what you are asking for here. You want to criminalize people socialising. That is lunacy, we are not in 1970's east germany and quite frankly any suggestion to do so needs to be pushed back on.

Do you propose implementing these fines/criminal records on over 65's gathering for a game of golf or going on organised walks?
Where do you draw the line on who gets fined etc? What activities are to be excluded?

21-09-2020 11:17AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lockdown doesn’t work.

How did we manage to come back from the height of 1000 cases per day?

Ginger n Lemon · 21-09-2020 11:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How did we manage to come back from the height of 1000 cases per day?

Same way Sweden did, by people washing hands and socially distancing.

If you think we came down from 1000 cases per day because barbers were shut down I have some bad news for you.

MadYaker · 21-09-2020 11:25AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Same way Sweden did, by people washing hands and socially distancing.

If you think we came down from 1000 cases per day because barbers were shut down I have some bad news for you.

It wasn't barbers it was because everything was shut down

facehugger99 · 21-09-2020 11:28AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

However, a number of incidents have sparked serious concern as health officials again urged the public to slash their number of social contacts.

The most high-profile was an outdoor rave near the Oliver Bond flats in the inner city, with video showing up to 100 young people dancing to loud music without social distancing. There were also other images of crowds of revellers in city-centre streets late on Saturday night.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/images-of-mass-rave-gathering-in-dublin-spark-fears-as-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-hits-241-in-capital-39547369.html

Ahh, well, no one should be surprised. They've shut down nightclubs, pubs, even restaurants here in Dublin. Now Ronan Glynn is concerned young people are "congregating" and has asked public to "Meet half of the people you were going to meet this week".

daft

Glynn strikes me as the kind of person who spent all his time in college studying. He probably had ambitions to become Chief Medical Officer even then.

I wonder how many raves or house parties he attended?

It's actually laughable that he thinks you can shut down the pubs and nightclubs for 6 months, tell young people you have no plans to reopen them for the foreseeable, and not expect there to be a rake of house parties.

I know if I was that age I'd be out every weekend looking to score with some young one and partying with my friends.

NPHET are so out of touch it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. The only tools they seem to have are restrictions and the threat of more of them, accompanied by a steady stream of finger-wagging and pompous and patronizing lecturing.

I really hope the young people of this country kick back against this nonsense and ignore these attacks on their lives and livelihoods.

bush · 21-09-2020 11:30AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

spot the person with no social life

Sitting at home working away happy as larry wanting more lockdowns while some people are only back to work today and others who were supposed to start today are still out of work for at least another 3 weeks.

scamalert · 21-09-2020 11:32AM

MadYaker wrote: »

It wasn't barbers it was because everything was shut down

yes and millions people flocked to the stores each and every day without masks.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-09-2020 11:32AM

MadYaker wrote: »

It wasn't barbers it was because everything was shut down

So why did we shut down the barbers?

BTW Aldi, Lidl, Tescos and Supervalu been working throughout. Could you please post more accurate information, sometimes at least?

21-09-2020 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How did we manage to come back from the height of 1000 cases per day?

At the time, our leadership were doing a decent job and people were very much on side. We done what we were initially asked to do.

Since then we've put lots of people out of work and decimated entire industries such as hospitality, entertainment, arts + Culture, Tourism.

People are p*ssed off now. We need a plan. And that 5 level rubbish, this government and NPHET are not it.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-09-2020 11:36AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So why did we shut down the barbers?

BTW Aldi, Lidl, Tescos and Supervalu been working throughout. Could you please post more accurate information, sometimes at least?

Because of the risk of a barber acting as a super spreader. Because it's an extra contact. At the time we were trying to minimise contacts.

Captain_Crash · 21-09-2020 11:36AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Can you link that data here? I can't find it

It was posted earlier in the thread....https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/...0_14092020.pdf

Ginger n Lemon · 21-09-2020 11:38AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Because of the risk of a barber acting as a super spreader. Because it's an extra contact. At the time we were trying to minimise contacts.

Sounds legit. I am sure there were tons of scientific peer reviewed papers written on the infectious disease risks barbers pose.

I think what you are trying to say is - our government (and good chunk of population) had very little idea of what was happening and decided to mimic Wuhan. I can tell you right now - that was a mistake.

MadYaker · 21-09-2020 11:40AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So why did we shut down the barbers?

BTW Aldi, Lidl, Tescos and Supervalu been working throughout. Could you please post more accurate information, sometimes at least?

Why the need to insult me?

It's fairly simple. The virus spreads where people congregate close together in groups. During lockdown that didn't happen so cases dropped. People went shopping once a week and that was it. Then we opened up and now people are congregating again so cases go up. Its really that simple.

21-09-2020 11:43AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

spot the person with no social life

Trust me I had a more active social life than most, anyone who as read my posts in the past will know this but all bets are off now and I’ve no problem staying away from pubs, restaurants and all other large social gatherings.

Once we are fully back to normal and corona is in the past then I’ll be back out to the pubs weekly.

prunudo · 21-09-2020 11:45AM

The last few days have felt like we've stepped back 6 months into how to handle this virus, nphet shooting in the dark with ideas, hoping that one will acheive the result they're after.
What happened to living with the virus by just doing the basics, ie social distancing, hand washing and cough/sneeze etiquette.
Now i see posters coming on saying pull the plug on pubs before they've even been given a chance and suggesting closing barbers. I got my hair cut on Saturday, all done properly, masks, single use gowns, cleaning surfaces between customers and leaving number for contact tracing.
We can't keep locking everything up, its not sustainable.

21-09-2020 11:45AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Why the need to insult me?

It's fairly simple. The virus spreads where people congregate close together in groups. During lockdown that didn't happen so cases dropped. People went shopping once a week and that was it. Then we opened up and now people are congregating again so cases go up. Its really that simple.

And people were shopping alone, avoiding talking to people, going once a week, lots getting shopping delivered (I didn’t set foot in a shop for two months at the height of lockdown as we got our shopping delivered).

It’s amazing people are so blinded by their dislike of very necessary restrictions and lockdowns that they will deny how effective they have been in reducing the virus cases and deaths.

Look around Europe where lockdowns are being introduced again also, but a few in here think they know better than experts around the world.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-09-2020 11:46AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Why the need to insult me?

It's fairly simple. The virus spreads where people congregate close together in groups. During lockdown that didn't happen so cases dropped. People went shopping once a week and that was it. Then we opened up and now people are congregating again so cases go up. Its really that simple.

If its really that simple, why did we re open places? Surely Paschal can keep borrowing while we all happily sit at home watching netflix and ordering dominos?

Save lives?

Ginger n Lemon · 21-09-2020 11:52AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And people were shopping alone, avoiding talking to people, going once a week, lots getting shopping delivered (I didn’t set foot in a shop for two months at the height of lockdown as we got our shopping delivered).

It’s amazing people are so blinded by their dislike of very necessary restrictions and lockdowns that they will deny how effective they have been in reducing the virus cases and deaths.

When 3,000 + gather for black lives matter protest, twice in space of 7 days in early June, cases and deaths kept falling.

When all the house parties (you seem to think that there were no house parties in March > June, you are wrong) were going on - cases still kept falling.

The logic of your argument is that because people couldnt go to restaurants/barbers/retail shops cases kept falling. Yet when we re opened the very same places - cases still kept falling.

The lockdown is not necessary for covid cases and deaths to fall, as has been proven by Sweden.

21-09-2020 11:54AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

At the time, our leadership were doing a decent job and people were very much on side. We done what we were initially asked to do.

Since then we've put lots of people out of work and decimated entire industries such as hospitality, entertainment, arts + Culture, Tourism.

People are p*ssed off now. We need a plan. And that 5 level rubbish, this government and NPHET are not it.

I'm questioning restrictions and I'm not in favour of the current lockdown. But every time I come in here people such as yourself are making basic errors in your argument with everyone else clapping along. It's hard to get onboard. Lockdown did and does work. There isn't the same appetite for it as there was before.

Allinall · 21-09-2020 11:56AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

When 3,000 + gather for black lives matter protest, twice in space of 7 days in early June, cases and deaths kept falling.

When all the house parties (you seem to think that there were no house parties in March > June, you are wrong) were going on - cases still kept falling.

The logic of your argument is that because people couldnt go to restaurants/barbers/retail shops cases kept falling. Yet when we re opened the very same places - cases still kept falling.

The lockdown is not necessary for covid cases and deaths to fall, as has been proven by Sweden.

Why do you think cases fell dramatically in May and June?

MadYaker · 21-09-2020 11:57AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

When 3,000 + gather for black lives matter protest, twice in space of 7 days in early June, cases and deaths kept falling.

When all the house parties (you seem to think that there were no house parties in March > June, you are wrong) were going on - cases still kept falling.

The logic of your argument is that because people couldnt go to restaurants/barbers/retail shops cases kept falling. Yet when we re opened the very same places - cases still kept falling.

The lockdown is not necessary for covid cases and deaths to fall, as has been proven by Sweden.

Sweden doesn't prove what you think it proves. The gov didn't implement a lockdown but they asked people to stay at home and limit their social contacts and people did it. The virus spreads when people are together so anywhere you see cases dropping that means people made an effort to limit their social contacts whether by choice or being forced to by a lockdown.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 11:57AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

There needs to be a rapid decision made this morning and pull the opening of pubs. It’s madness opening them with cases rocketing around the country. It was an awful decision to allow them to open with cases increasing just when they picked the opening date.

The whole county needs to go to level 3 ASAP also.

Easy for someone still living with Mummy and Daddy to say.

21-09-2020 11:57AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

When 3,000 + gather for black lives matter protest, twice in space of 7 days in early June, cases and deaths kept falling.

When all the house parties (you seem to think that there were no house parties in March > June, you are wrong) were going on - cases still kept falling.

The logic of your argument is that because people couldnt go to restaurants/barbers/retail shops cases kept falling. Yet when we re opened the very same places - cases still kept falling.

The lockdown is not necessary for covid cases and deaths to fall, as has been proven by Sweden.

There was very very few house parties happening and there were no social gatherings. The vast majority of people did not interact with anyone outside their household and therefore cases fell.

Of course there was a lag until they started to rise again when things opened up as it took time to spread.

It’s spreading again now because pretty much everywhere is open and people are now meeting in houses etc also far far more.

I refuse to believer someone could be so blind as to not see this and try to deny it.

The lockdown work absolutely brilliantly we should never have come out of it when we did and held tight for another few months to really get virus levels down to nothing.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Easy for someone still living with Mummy and Daddy to say.

Not that it makes any difference but I alway posted about two pages back that I haven’t been living at home since before the lockdown and have only stayed at home an occasional night since late summer due to the risk of bringing covid home.

FintanMcluskey · 21-09-2020 11:59AM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Once we are fully back to normal and corona is in the past then I’ll be back out to the pubs weekly.

Unlikely as if this continues most pubs will be shut for good, and none of us will have any money to socialise

ShyMets · 21-09-2020 12:00PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

There was very very few house parties happening and there were no social gatherings. The vast majority of people did not interact with anyone outside their household and therefore cases fell.

Of course there was a lag until they started to rise again when things opened up as it took time to spread.

It’s spreading again now because pretty much everywhere is open and people are now meeting in houses etc also far far more.

I refuse to believer someone could be so blind as to not see this and try to deny it.

The lockdown work absolutely brilliantly we should never have come out of it when we did and held tight for another few months to really get virus levels down to nothing.

You seem to advocate looking down for another prolonged period.

What would be your plan to revive the economy

FintanMcluskey · 21-09-2020 12:01PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Easy for someone still living with Mummy and Daddy to say.

Ah I see.

Lockdown makes perfect sense for some

hayoc · 21-09-2020 12:01PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The lockdown work absolutely brilliantly we should never have come out of it when we did and held tight for another few months to really get virus levels down to nothing.

We should never have accelerated out of the original lockdown plan. The fusing together and skipping of the last phases has brought us to where we are now.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 12:02PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah I see.

Lockdown makes perfect sense for some

He already stated several pages back he works from home so a lockdown doesn't bother him.
He's happy though for others to loose their income, seems a fairly selfish attitude tbh

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings