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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6272
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    MadYaker wrote: »
    There's no way anything will be open in Dublin in 3 weeks, unless they can reverse this trend they'll be on level 4 in 3 weeks.

    I think nphet already know they will be putting Dublin on level 4 soon enough. Level 3 is only to break the news.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6273
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,338 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Can you show 1 piece of proof that the rise in cases is down to house parties etc?

    HSE have said as much, they know from doing contact racing. I think multiple people are on record saying it was main driver.
    walus wrote: »
    I think nphet already know they will be putting Dublin on level 4 soon enough. Level 3 is only to break the news.

    I think they wanted to put dublin on level 4 this week but the government hadnt the balls to do it


  • #6274
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    The only thing laughable is the attitude being displayed by you and the many others attending parties etc who have no respect for the vital need to respect restrictions and stop the spread of this virus.

    It’s causing people to get sick, die and causing people to lose jobs as if people would behave then the restrictions would not have to be reintroduced. So it’s your fault and people who behave like you.

    And another pathetic post. Zero infection clusters from restaurants or bars. Meat factories on the other hand. How many of those have closed down?? The sky is not falling Chicken Little. Life goes on.


  • #6275
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    The lunatic doomers are out in force in the restrictions thread today. The more cases with unaccompanied deaths the past few weeks has them on edge as the hysteria looks pretty embarrassing now. The second wave is only a casedemic, it is looking like the end of the whole thing is in sight and it has them scared that they will need a new excuse to be negative in their lives.
    It would be great if the end of the virus was in sight. Doesn't look like it unfortunately.


  • #6276
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Tell NPHET that. They’re using outbreaks in bars and restaurants abroad to shut ours down.

    To be honest, I don't give a two fcuks about the bars, kind of poor here. Open them if you wish.


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  • #6277
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Personally I’m not bothered, the lockdown was a positive period for me overall and I wouldn’t be bothered about entering another one.

    Course it was, you got to stay at home with Mammie instead of having to go to work.


  • #6278
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Course it was, you got to stay at home with Mammie instead of having to go to work.

    Bitty mommy, bitty.


  • #6279
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Course it was, you got to stay at home with Mammie instead of having to go to work.

    Firstly I was isolating from home during the lockdown so as to reduce risk and secondly I was working from home all through not a single day off and even worked some weekends things were so busy.

    I’m definitely not saying I want a lock down, far from it. What I am saying is that if people’s stupidity result in us ending up in another lockdown then it’s not me who is going to be overly bothered it’s the people causing it that will be off their rockers.


  • #6280
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Well unless we was lying, Philip Nolan (chair of NPHET) said on RTE radio although there's only been a few clusters in bars and restaurants when they ask questions and do contact tracing they find that pretty much everyone who tests positive was in a bar or restaurant in the previous 72 hours.

    They aren't shutting them down for no reason despite how much you'd like to believe that. When they announced this I thought it was ridiculous too so I did some reading and its not a bonkers a decision as it sounds. It has happened in european countries too. People will just ignore this post anyway.

    I wouldn't put it past him to be stretching the truth after his tweets the other day said they don't have the resources or time to do the "academic exercise" of finding out how people are getting the virus.

    If they knew and had evidence that bars and restaurants were causing clusters they would've put it forward. They are relying on international 'evidence'


  • #6281
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Bitty mommy, bitty.

    Please just open everything to avoid these kind of posts. And we'll see how it goes. I was never backing up lockdowns. Should be done different ways I believe. Proper test and tracing plus people working along with basic measurements. I know pure fantasy, cuz there will be always freedom warriors. They will screw it all at the end.


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  • #6282
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    RoryMac wrote: »
    I wouldn't put it past him to be stretching the truth after his tweets the other day said they don't have the resources or time to do the "academic exercise" of finding out how people are getting the virus.

    If they knew and had evidence that bars and restaurants were causing clusters they would've put it forward. They are relying on international 'evidence'
    So what do you think is the main driver of clusters? Or indeed the disease in general at the minute?


  • #6283
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Personally I’m not bothered, the lockdown was a positive period for me overall and I wouldn’t be bothered about entering another one.

    A would imagine that a lot of people had a great time, just like you did. For some it must have been a great holiday. This however came at a very high price and the bill is still rolling btw. It is not what it was at the time but what consequences it brings that matters. Just like fast food diet - tastes great (now), obesity and hart attack (future).

    Lockdown is a short term solution to a long term problem. Period.

    Personally, lockdown is a period I hope will quickly vanish from my memory.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6284
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,223 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    walus wrote: »
    A would imagine that a lot of people had a great time, just like you did. For some it must have been a great holiday. This however came at a very high price and the bill is still rolling btw. It is not what it was at the time but what consequences it brings that matters. Just like fast food diet - tastes great (now), obesity and hart attack (future).

    Lockdown is a short term solution to a long term problem. Period.

    Personally, lockdown is a period I hope will quickly vanish from my memory.

    Lockdown is a short term solution to a short term problem if it is completely adhered to and enforced by one hundred percent of the population. 2 weeks is all that is needed.....


  • #6285
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    kippy wrote: »
    Lockdown is a short term solution to a short term problem if it is completely adhered to and enforced by one hundred percent of the population. 2 weeks is all that is needed.....

    That only works that way in theory, and in theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is, as it is proven in however many cases of those countries who locked down.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6286
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    kippy wrote: »
    So what do you think is the main driver of clusters? Or indeed the disease in general at the minute?

    Well from what I'm seeing the advice to work from home where possible has been ignored for weeks now so I'd imagine offices are playing a big role and of course schools


  • #6287
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    I must say I envy Swedes a little bit. Not because they have applied the right strategy to deal with covid but mainly because they know what their short term future and day-to-day lives are going to look like. They can plan family gatherings, Christmas and so on. It seems that they will be out of the woods shortly and their economy will recover next year. In grand scheme of things a great outcome.

    Edit: I actually envy them a lot.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6288
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    walus wrote: »
    I must say I envy Swedes a little bit. Not because they have applied the right strategy to deal with covid but mainly because they know what their short term future and day-to-day lives are going to look like. They can family gatherings, Christmas and so on. It seems that they will be out of the woods shortly and their economy will recover next year. In grand scheme of things a great outcome.

    Edit: I actually envy them a lot.

    The mental effects of the hysteria vomited out by the Irish media will be irreversible for generations.

    I hope there have been some responsible parents who haven't indoctrinated misguided fear upon their kids.

    The Swedes are the luckiest nation to be lead by leaders


  • #6289
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The mental effects of the hysteria vomited out by the Irish media will be irreversible for generations.

    I hope there have been some responsible parents who haven't indoctrinated misguided fear upon their kids.

    The Swedes are the luckiest nation to be lead by leaaders

    True. Swedish government gave their citizens means of predictability and certainty, which are of huge importance for aspects such as mental health, running a business and many more. In fairness to them they have looked deeply into the secondary effects of their decision and were not afraid to look stupid in the beginning.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6290
    hamburgham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ill probably be out of work next month and worry about being able to give my family the upbringing I want that I didn't have.

    Sorry to hear that. Do you mind me asking what area of work are you in?


  • #6291
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The mental effects of the hysteria vomited out by the Irish media will be irreversible for generations.

    I hope there have been some responsible parents who haven't indoctrinated misguided fear upon their kids.

    The Swedes are the luckiest nation to be lead by leaders

    Jeez the state of this post. I don't think you are parent. Well I hope. And the Swedes, what else?


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  • #6292
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    kippy wrote: »
    Lockdown is a short term solution to a short term problem if it is completely adhered to and enforced by one hundred percent of the population. 2 weeks is all that is needed.....

    ....after the two weeks what then?


  • #6293
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    walus wrote: »
    I must say I envy Swedes a little bit. Not because they have applied the right strategy to deal with covid but mainly because they know what their short term future and day-to-day lives are going to look like. They can plan family gatherings, Christmas and so on. It seems that they will be out of the woods shortly and their economy will recover next year. In grand scheme of things a great outcome.

    Edit: I actually envy them a lot.

    How many hundreds or thousands of extra people did they condemn to death by their absolutely idiotic strategy to deal with the virus ridiculed rightly by pretty much the rest of the world.

    They are a disgrace of a nation, their arrogance astounding. The economy is a distant second when it come to saving lives.


  • #6294
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    What I don't understand is the use of "experiment" to describe the Swedish approach. It's the rest of the world that took part in an experiment with the pointless lockdowns.


  • #6295
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    ....after the two weeks what then?

    Just like the two week lockdown in March that's looks like lasting for two years.


  • #6296
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    How many hundreds or thousands of extra people did they condemn to death by their absolutely idiotic strategy to deal with the virus ridiculed rightly by pretty much the rest of the world.

    They are a disgrace of a nation, their arrogance astounding. The economy is a distant second when it come to saving lives.

    And how many hundreds or thousands of people has Irish government condemned to death? Those who had their treatments postponed, those who missed their cancer diagnosis, those who avoided hospitals at all cost, those who committed suicides. If those deaths did not happen yet they will happen for sure. They need to counted and remembered too. I suggest you look beyond what you are being told on RTE and the likes. Open your mind.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6297
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    walus wrote: »
    And how many hundreds or thousands of people has Irish government condemned to death? Those who had their treatments postponed, those who missed their cancer diagnosis, those who avoided hospitals at all cost, those who committed suicides. If those deaths did not happen yet they will happen for sure. They need to counted and remembered too. I suggest you look beyond what you are being told on RTE and the likes. Open your mind.

    Bang on.

    To quote a Swedish doctor I listened to being interviewed a couple of months ago: "people are putting it behind them."


  • #6298
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    How many hundreds or thousands of extra people did they condemn to death by their absolutely idiotic strategy to deal with the virus ridiculed rightly by pretty much the rest of the world.

    They are a disgrace of a nation, their arrogance astounding. The economy is a distant second when it come to saving lives.

    Over 65, where the vast majority of their deaths came from, they are exactly in line with Irish deaths over 65, per 100k.


  • #6299
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    What I don't understand is the use of "experiment" to describe the Swedish approach. It's the rest of the world that took part in an experiment with the pointless lockdowns.

    Do you mind to explain ? Can't wait for Sunday night story.


  • #6300
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    How many hundreds or thousands of extra people did they condemn to death by their absolutely idiotic strategy to deal with the virus ridiculed rightly by pretty much the rest of the world.

    They are a disgrace of a nation, their arrogance astounding. The economy is a distant second when it come to saving lives.

    It was actually 65 million, not hundreds of thousands.

    6.5 times their population.

    I'm actually raising a glass of Kopperberg to this fact right now. :pac:


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  • #6301
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Over 65, where the vast majority of their deaths came from, they are exactly in line with Irish deaths over 65, per 100k.

    I've been beating this drum for weeks.

    95% of deaths occur in the over 65 population.

    A citizen over the age of 65 was no safer from Covid in Ireland than Sweden.

    The media have span a narrative to people who don't understand statistics


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