Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

JojoLoca · 18-09-2020 01:25PM

Mysteriouschic wrote: »

Do the gyms close if we end up on level 3?

No, but no classes

Wallander · 18-09-2020 01:47PM

Amazing achievement from all concerned for Dublin to be the last European capital to exit lockdown and first to go back into lockdown.

JDD · 18-09-2020 01:53PM

Wallander wrote: »

Amazing achievement from all concerned for Dublin to be the last European capital to exit lockdown and first to go back into lockdown.

I don't think we're particular more "couldn't give a sh*t" then other European capitals. It's more to do with our tiny ICU and hospital capacity. Other European capitals can keep restrictions at bay for longer than we can. It's an immensely ridiculous situation, but there you are.

2nd Row Donkey · 18-09-2020 01:56PM

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Wallander · 18-09-2020 01:57PM

JDD wrote: »

I don't think we're particular more "couldn't give a sh*t" then other European capitals. It's more to do with our tiny ICU and hospital capacity. Other European capitals can keep restrictions at bay for longer than we can. It's an immensely ridiculous situation, but there you are.

That's one factor but there are others. Without knowing the exact figures, I'm fairly sure Warsaw, Sofia, Bucharest etc. don't have huge hospital capacities, but they do lack a welfare state of the size required to keep a prolonged lockdown going.

JDD · 18-09-2020 01:58PM

Wallander wrote: »

That's one factor but there are others. Without knowing the exact figures, I'm fairly sure Warsaw, Sofia, Bucharest etc. don't have huge hospital capacities, but they do lack a welfare state of the size required to keep a prolonged lockdown going.

And what of their ICU and death rates? Much higher than here?

Tenzor07 · 18-09-2020 02:11PM

Well fair play to the Business owners, The NPHETS ruling will add thousands back onto the Pandemic payment scheme...
Who pays for the Welfare and Healthcare when everyone's sitting at home loosing their jobs every week...

The Swan Pub on Aungier Street has only been re-opened a week. Owner Ronan Lynch said that after spending “thousands” upgrading the premises, he wasn’t planning on closing.
He said the approach taken by the government was a “disgrace”.
“The pubs in Dublin have been smashed by the government,” he said.
Having already laid off staff, and after bringing three people back for the re-opening, he said that he was running out of options.
There are still bills to pay, he said.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-lockdown-pubs-restaurants-5208038-Sep2020/

tobefrank321 · 18-09-2020 02:17PM

JDD wrote: »

I don't think we're particular more "couldn't give a sh*t" then other European capitals. It's more to do with our tiny ICU and hospital capacity. Other European capitals can keep restrictions at bay for longer than we can. It's an immensely ridiculous situation, but there you are.

Government and HSE had 6 months to increase ICU capacity, which is page 1, paragraph 1 of living with covid. The latest I'm hearing is they have ICU spare capacity of 50 beds. You'd have to question what they've been doing for the last 6 months and why it isn't several hundred beds spare capacity by now.

As you say limited ICU capacity dictates we cannot now live with covid. The people are doing their part, the government and HSE are not doing theirs.

Zebra3 · 18-09-2020 02:20PM

JDD wrote: »

I honestly don't see the point of the Living With Covid plan at all. What an utter waste of time and money. Why didn't we just keep the Phases that were used from March to July? They were well understood by the public, and if we are going to be doing level 2.5 and level 3.5 what is the literal point of publishing a five level plan?

Politics.

Be seen to be doing something.

odyssey06 · 18-09-2020 02:43PM

They have magical money pot to pay restaurants to close...but not enough contract tracers to try to identify sources of community transmission.
Something doesnt add up...

otterj · 18-09-2020 02:56PM

if/when we do go to level 3 in Dublin, is it actually against the law to travel out of Dublin? what is the punishment if so?

dmakc · 18-09-2020 02:58PM

otterj wrote: »

if/when we do go to level 3 in Dublin, is it actually against the law to travel out of Dublin? what is the punishment if so?

Surely advisory despite the media hype. Workers, education, essential travel and just about anyone landing in the airport are allowed to leave so how can gardai question anyone on the M7

hynesie08 · 18-09-2020 03:00PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well fair play to the Business owners, The NPHETS ruling will add thousands back onto the Pandemic payment scheme...
Who pays for the Welfare and Healthcare when everyone's sitting at home loosing their jobs every week...

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-lockdown-pubs-restaurants-5208038-Sep2020/

He'll close when he's told to, he's just puffing his chest out because the Lva have been shown up as nothing more than a pr group during this. Subscriptions are going to plummet next year.

JojoLoca · 18-09-2020 03:48PM

otterj wrote: »

if/when we do go to level 3 in Dublin, is it actually against the law to travel out of Dublin? what is the punishment if so?

It's an advise, not the law. There is no punishment and even if you get pulled at the checkpoint, they can't really stop you from leaving. They are asking people not to travel, but they can't legally stop you.

stockshares · 18-09-2020 04:04PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

They have magical money pot to pay restaurants to close...but not enough contract tracers to try to identify sources of community transmission.
Something doesnt add up...

Nolan's announcement today saying they don't have the resources to trace all the way back to where someone picked it up is very strange.
https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306908075161518081?s=19

I might be being cynical here but it might be to prevent premises from being sued or have their insurance affected.

What's the point in just looking back 48 hrs if people usually show symptoms 5 days after picking it up(120 hrs previous).

Nolan says it's more important to know where the virus is going than where it was picked up but if you don't close where it was picked up it keeps spreading.

DangerScouse · 18-09-2020 04:05PM

The government has redeemed themselves with this decision. Well done to all involved.

Now let's get behind this Dublin for the big win.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 04:09PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

The government has redeemed themselves with this decision. Well done to all involved.

Now let's get behind this Dublin for the big win.

Redeemed themselves??

Have they fućk the way they've gone about this isn't nothing short of a disgrace. Absolutely no communication, just leaks to the media.

Safe to say you or nobody you know is out of work now again because of this. Many probably won't go back again because their businesses will probably go bang.

But based on your previous posts on other threads I expect nothing else other than this sort of post

DangerScouse · 18-09-2020 04:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Redeemed themselves??

Have they fućk the way they've gone about this isn't nothing short of a disgrace. Absolutely no communication, just leaks to the media.

Safe to say you or nobody you know is out of work now again because of this. Many probably won't go back again because their businesses will probably go bang.

But based on your previous posts on other threads I expect nothing else other than this sort of post

Jobs will be back. You can't bring someone back from the grave my friend.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 04:32PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Jobs will be back. You can't bring someone back from the grave my friend.

Now I just know your a wind up merchant and I'm glad its not just me that thinks it.

Jobs will be back, tell that to those that are out of work again tonight with mortgage payment breaks now ending. Suppose your ok though in a safe job sure thats all that matters

weldoninhio · 18-09-2020 04:34PM

Pints on the menu tonight anyway. One last hurrah in Dublin. Then Kilkenny on Thursday for a country session. Tomorrow is touch and go, the bar we have booked has a terrace so fingers crossed.

Hawthorn Tree · 18-09-2020 04:37PM

There will be another Dublin exodus this weekend.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-09-2020 04:46PM

Too little too late, people have died when the dogs knew that Dublin should have been locked down. Those deaths are on the governments head.

hynesie08 · 18-09-2020 04:52PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Jobs will be back. You can't bring someone back from the grave my friend.

You can explain that to the family of the next barman found at the end of a rope.

d15ude · 18-09-2020 05:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Redeemed themselves??

Have they fućk the way they've gone about this isn't nothing short of a disgrace. Absolutely no communication, just leaks to the media.

I'm not against Level 3 per se. But why is there no real communication from the government?

Why will it (probably) start at midnight tonight and not in 2-3 days (after discussing it internally for a good number of days?
This would allow for a proper information campaign.

Why are they (very likely) compromising their own Level system, only a few days of introducing it?

Sorry, this is amateur work.

Assetbacked · 18-09-2020 05:15PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Too little too late, people have died when the dogs knew that Dublin should have been locked down. Those deaths are on the governments head.

Haha the deaths have no relationship to Dublin not being locked down. The main cause of our deaths are the nursing homes being neglected with NPHET advice directly causing it. Health staff didn't have proper care and they themselves caused the issues. Fcuk NPHET.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-09-2020 05:27PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You can explain that to the family of the next barman found at the end of a rope.

Look Kildare laois and Offaly had to deal with this and all survived. Kildare had even longer than 3 weeks.

The cases in Dublin have got out of control. The lockdown in the 3 counties worked. Once the cases in Dublin reduce I've no doubt the restrictions will be lifted. This Dublin is a special case nonsense is laughable. They're rightly on level 3.

Zebra3 · 18-09-2020 05:43PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Look Kildare laois and Offaly had to deal with this and all survived. Kildare had even longer than 3 weeks.

The cases in Dublin have got out of control. The lockdown in the 3 counties worked. Once the cases in Dublin reduce I've no doubt the restrictions will be lifted. This Dublin is a special case nonsense is laughable. They're rightly on level 3.

The lockdown in Kildare worked?

The problem in Kildare was confined to a small area.

But they took the whole county out.

Now we have idiots saying that the lockdown in Kildare worked when the vast majority of Kildare had no problem.

"Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock".

ShineOn7 · 18-09-2020 05:49PM

House parties will continue this weekend in Dublin and it's a fúcking disgrace they're doing so

Given the new Levels etc, if the Guards are called, can they close down house parties or outdoor events over 15 people? (or whatever the current outdoor limit is now, it changes so much)

Have Guards got the power to now do it?

bazermc · 18-09-2020 05:51PM

Are swimming pools closed?

ShineOn7 · 18-09-2020 06:00PM

Re: house parties

All I can find is this - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576

So far it seems it's just at proposal level?

Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

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