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Hawthorn Tree · 17-09-2020 09:57PM

The Dubs will go bananas if they close the food pubs too. There was no sense of that during the car crash press conference on Tuesday. Coalition of Chaos.

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 09:59PM

smurgen wrote: »

The government drafted laws to shore up people's lack of personal responsibility and intervene when necessary.

So you don’t understand what personal responsibility is.

Even at the height of the lock down people could if they wanted hop in a car and drive around, they might get stopped and they might not, people could go to the shops 20 times a day if they wanted. Numerous thread on here about flat mates doing as they pleased while other tried to lock down

That is personal responsibility and the lack of it. It’s seems a lot of you people here have zero concept for what it is, says a lot to be honest. A LOT

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As I already posted, there were numerous positives in the Cahir factory. Measures were taken under guidance by the state bodies. The outbreak was controlled. It can be done, calmly and efficiently with the cooperation of the workers.

So 30 cases in one plant in Waterford. County only has 138 recorded since March. So 21% from one meat plant and NPHET discussing county wide restrictions. Nothing to see here.

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:02PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So you don’t understand what personal responsibility is.

Even at the height of the lock down people could if they wanted hop in a car and drive around, they might get stopped and they might not, people could go to the shops 20 times a day if they wanted. Numerous thread on here about flat mates doing as they pleased while other tried to lock down

That is personal responsibility and the lack of it. It’s seems a lot of you people here have zero concept for what it is, says a lot to be honest. A LOT

I understand personal responsibility. Do you understand laws? why were the Gardai were given special powers during lockdown?

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 10:03PM

smurgen wrote: »

So 30 cases in one plant in Waterford. County only has 138 recorded since March. So 21% from one meat plant and NPHET discussing county wide restrictions. Nothing to see here.

And? What is your point?

Someone was clearly sick and went into work, spreading it around

Do you not think the same could happen in any large company/shop etc if someone is foolish?

FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 10:04PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

The Dubs will go bananas if they close the food pubs too. There was no sense of that during the car crash press conference on Tuesday. Coalition of Chaos.

Why wouldn't there be 'chaos' when they are leaking info and getting RTE to soften people up.

Needless pain being gone through tonight as people await some official word. Terrible way to do it tbh

McMurphy · 17-09-2020 10:06PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So you don’t understand what personal responsibility is.

Even at the height of the lock down people could if they wanted hop in a car and drive around, they might get stopped and they might not, people could go to the shops 20 times a day if they wanted. Numerous thread on here about flat mates doing as they pleased while other tried to lock down

That is personal responsibility and the lack of it. It’s seems a lot of you people here have zero concept for what it is, says a lot to be honest. A LOT

I must have dreamt the whole thing about the guards being given extra powers to allow them to forcibly prevent people going to, or coming from certain areas during lockdown, and the power to detain and or fine those who failed to comply.

blanch152 · 17-09-2020 10:07PM

Bowie wrote: »

A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think that's acceptable?
If a chipper had mice it would be closed ffs. I think any business causing a rise in Covid cases due to willful negligence should be sanctioned and closed until they comply. Should bars and the like open and give two fingers to NPHET too?

Should a hospital close down if it has cases of COVID? No.

Should a nightclub close down if it has cases of COVID? Yes.

Two extremes of essential services and not essential services. Where do supermarkets, meat factories, farms, etc. feature on the continuum?

Fann Linn · 17-09-2020 10:08PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

And? What is your point?

Someone was clearly sick and went into work, spreading it around

Do you not think the same could happen in any large company/shop etc if someone is foolish?

Doesn't necessarily have to be sick btw. Could be asymptomatic.

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:11PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

And? What is your point?

Someone was clearly sick and went into work, spreading it around

Do you not think the same could happen in any large company/shop etc if someone is foolish?

My point is that laws need to be brought in. In Germany in meat plants a law was brought in to require all staff for be covid tested regularly at the cost of the company. A proper country with proper government.

"A new rule bans plants allowing in workers who haven’t been tested – at company expenses – in the previous 10 days for Covid-19."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-how-germany-dealt-with-a-meat-plant-outbreak-1.4328602?mode=amp

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 10:12PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I must have dreamt the whole thing about the guards being given extra powers to allow them to forcibly prevent people going to, or coming from certain areas during lockdown, and the power to detain and or fine those who failed to comply.

Are you trying to tell me the regulations shut down everyone do they had no personal choices anymore?

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:12PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Doesn't necessarily have to be sick btw. Could be asymptomatic.

If only we had some magical way of figuring out who had it and who didn't?

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 10:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This can be spread with no sythoms...
What info do.you have to say,someone went to work.visably sick??

Since,its eveident yous have inside info,why was the plant not closed or deep cleaned,deapite an onsite confirmed case on monday??

Excuse me, I’m not fluent in gibberish. Could you repeat

McMurphy · 17-09-2020 10:26PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me the regulations shut down everyone do they had no personal choices anymore?

No, I'm just pointing at the great gaping hole in your post.

Do you still want to stand over this?

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Ireland along with many countries is based on free will, people can do what they want. Unless the government made it illegal to leave home or travel from one county to another then you can do what you want. If they tried to make it illegal I can imagine the uproar.
.

I repeat, I must have dreamt about the guards being granted extra powers to forcibly prevent people from doing exactly what you posted above.

Do you disagree with what I have posted?

smurgen · 17-09-2020 10:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Should a hospital close down if it has cases of COVID? No.

Should a nightclub close down if it has cases of COVID? Yes.

Two extremes of essential services and not essential services. Where do supermarkets, meat factories, farms, etc. feature on the continuum?

Meat factories are not essential to Ireland's food supply. Individual meat factories are even less important.

McMurphy · 17-09-2020 11:00PM

smurgen wrote: »

Meat factories are not essential to Ireland's food supply. Individual meat factories are even less important.

Meat processing plants in Ireland export the vast majority of their products overseas, from memory it's something like 85%+.

Comparing them with hospitals is just apologetic nonsense.

Redgirl82 · 18-09-2020 01:24AM

McMurphy wrote: »

No, I'm just pointing at the great gaping hole in your post.

Do you still want to stand over this?

I repeat, I must have dreamt about the guards being granted extra powers to forcibly prevent people from doing exactly what you posted above.

Do you disagree with what I have posted?

So you agree with me and then try to disagree. At least you understand what personal responsibility is, the other lad still struggling

Repeat the same statement as many times as you want, still doesn’t make it relevant. Unless you can prove the government banned personal responsibility, can you?

Let’s get the popcorn and wait

James Brown · 18-09-2020 01:47AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If measures are being taken to address the issue, then why should a public representative intervene?
I’ve worked in the private sector for over 50 years. Never has a public representative had to intervene in the running of any of those businesses. If there was a problem, it was sorted. Some ran into difficulties and were closed down. Such is life. No need for hand holding by the powers that be.

The issue is nothing is being done. That's when intervention is needed. As usual Varadkar sticks his oar in and doesn't help.
If there is a global pandemic and cases are rising and a company through their negligence is causing more cases, some state body should intervene in the interest of public safety. Do you disagree?

James Brown · 18-09-2020 01:51AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Funny, how when something goes right with the virus, it is because the government is only following the advice of the public health experts, but when something goes wrong it is all down to FFG incompetence.

It is so transparent, the silly posting.

Nail on the head. I can't dispute this.
Its when FF/FG make their .5 type tweaks it goes to ****. Agreed. 100%.

James Brown · 18-09-2020 01:54AM

smurgen wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40050533.html

226 Covid cases originating from one meat plant in Cork. Of a county doing remarkable well. 1,700 in total. That's 13.5% of cases coming from one premises. Nothing to see here!

Can they send a health inspector? Ffs...
If a pub opened it would be raided and rightly so.
Something ****ing stinks.

McMurphy · 18-09-2020 06:41AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So you agree with me and then try to disagree. At least you understand what personal responsibility is, the other lad still struggling

Nice try, let's try again.

Repeat the same statement as many times as you want, still doesn’t make it relevant. Unless you can prove the government banned personal responsibility, can you?

Listen, you made a post that was completely factually incorrect, and misinformed - which you still haven't revisited.

Ireland along with many countries is based on free will, people can do what they want. Unless the government made it illegal to leave home or travel from one county to another then you can do what you want. If they tried to make it illegal I can imagine the uproar.

People couldn't "do what they wanted" during lock down, people were fined and arrested for breaking certain restrictions, teenagers were actively stopped from congregating and loitering etc.

The govt "didn't ban personal responsibility" spiel you're trotting out in an attempt to mask your brain fart isn't going to wash here.

Leo or Simon appealing to the public to be personally responsible at bank holiday weekends and not travel to holiday homes would have been simply that, appealed to, and trusted that they could be personally responsible.

Instead.

Drivers face bank holiday checkpoints after crash deaths soar
I think I even read about a dope being rightfully fined for driving hundreds of km from his home to buy a feckin puppy, guess people like that just can't be trusted to be "personally responsible" hence legal restrictions, doh.

Are you doing to double down on this, were you really blissfully unaware of the legal restrictions put in place by the govt who (in your world) didn't make it illegal at all:D?

Let’s get the popcorn and wait

Looks like I'll be sharing them with you, so mind not to put the popcorn on for longer than the manufacturers recommended time, hate when the kernels char.

Redgirl82 · 18-09-2020 06:54AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Nice try, let's try again.

Listen, you made a post that was completely factually incorrect, and misinformed - which you still haven't revisited.

People couldn't "do what they wanted" during lock down, people were fined and arrested for breaking certain restrictions, teenagers were actively stopped from congregating and loitering etc.

The govt "didn't ban personal responsibility" spiel you're trotting out in an attempt to mask your brain fart isn't going to wash here.

Leo or Simon appealing to the public to be personally responsible at bank holiday weekends and not travel to holiday homes would have been simply that, appealed to, and trusted that they could be personally responsible.

Instead.

Drivers face bank holiday checkpoints after crash deaths soar
I think I even read about a dope being rightfully fined for driving hundreds of km from his home to buy a feckin puppy, guess people like that just can't be trusted to be "personally responsible" hence legal restrictions, doh.

Are you doing to double down on this, were you really blissfully unaware of the legal restrictions put in place by the govt who (in your world) didn't make it illegal at all:D?

Looks like I'll be sharing them with you, so mind not to put the popcorn on for longer than the manufacturers recommended time, hate when the kernels char.

So you agree people have personal responsibility?

Maybe you want the thread full of everyone posting the same thing 20 times just because you are, well lets just say "not the brighest spark".

So for you and your buddy who is cowering away on another thread. Please provide a link to any media source confirming the government has banned "personal responsibility".

I will wait with my popcorn. I dont need a page long answer of bulls**t either. Just the answer to that question. I don't need one of the other regulars jumping in with some other stupid statement.

Off you go, see you soon

McMurphy · 18-09-2020 07:06AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So you agree people have personal responsibility?

Maybe you want the thread full of everyone posting the same thing 20 times just because you are, well lets just say "not the brighest spark".

So for you and your buddy who is cowering away on another thread. Please provide a link to any media source confirming the government has banned "personal responsibility".

I will wait with my popcorn. I dont need a page long answer of bulls**t either. Just the answer to that question. I don't need one of the other regulars jumping in with some other stupid statement.

Off you go, see you soon

I've already posted a link as to how the govt legislated to enable the guards to enforce certain measures during lockdown because there's always going to be a certain element within society who prove they cannot be entrusted with personal responsibility, hence the legislation (this really isn't difficult to understand, but you seem intent on contradicting that)

You're on record here of stating that the govt didn't make it illegal for county to county travel, I've posted numerous examples of how they actually did do that - and there's plenty of examples and stats available to back up fines being imposed, and people being arrested.

Try arresting or fining people for something that's perfectly legal, and let me know how that works out.

I'm not entertaining any of your other twaddle, of course they didn't remove every single aspect of personal responsibility from people, like people don't need legislation to know bringing the microwave into the bath isn't the most clever or responsible thing you could do.

However, people have proved that they cannot be trusted to "be personally responsible" during a pandemic, and to not make unnecessary journeys to go to holiday homes/buy puppies or go sight seeing etc. That's why they made legal restrictions, a fact you seem to have difficulty getting your head around.

Are you going to correct yourself, about the govt not making certain travel restrictions during lockdown, and how breaking them in certain conditions was in fact "illegal" or are you going to continue to put your head in the sand pretend it didn't happen, and allow me to have fun with you today?

18-09-2020 07:16AM

Bowie wrote: »

Can they send a health inspector? Ffs...
If a pub opened it would be raided and rightly so.
Something ****ing stinks.

No need. The outbreak has been brought under control.

Redgirl82 · 18-09-2020 07:24AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I've already posted a link as to how the govt legislated to enable the guards to enforce certain measures during lockdown because there's always going to be a certain element within society who prove they cannot be entrusted with personal responsibility, hence the legislation (this really isn't difficult to understand, but you seem intent on contradicting that)

You're on record here of stating that the govt didn't make it illegal for county to county travel, I've posted numerous examples of how they actually did do that - and there's plenty of examples and stats available to back up fines being imposed, and people being arrested.

Try arresting or fining people for something that's perfectly legal, and let me know how that works out.

I'm not entertaining any of your other twaddle, of course they didn't remove every single aspect of personal responsibility from people, like people don't need legislation to know bringing the microwave into the bath isn't the most clever or responsible thing you could do.

However, people have proved that they cannot be trusted to "be personally responsible" during a pandemic, and to not make unnecessary journeys to go to holiday homes/buy puppies or go sight seeing etc. That's why they made legal restrictions, a fact you seem to have difficulty getting your head around.

Are you going to correct yourself, about the govt not making certain travel restrictions during lockdown, and how breaking them in certain conditions was in fact "illegal" or are you going to continue to put your head in the sand pretend it didn't happen, and allow me to have fun with you today?

Thank you, so it only took you and the other lad how many posts to final agree I was 100% right.

P.S. I don't need to correct anything, I never made that point, if you read the posts or got a proper update from the other lad you would know that.

Hawthorn Tree · 18-09-2020 08:08AM

The government roll out the new 'plan' on the day that we hit the highest cases since May (357, 218 Dublin) and tell Dublin that they are Level 2 (or 2.5) along with the rest of Ireland.
2 days they are talking about Level 3, 3.5 and even 4. FFG were afraid to tell the truth. There will be massive anger if they close the Dublin restaurants today. The coalition of chaos have caused utter confusion again.

I am looking forward to a weekend of talk radio and newspapers.

ExMachina1000 · 18-09-2020 08:11AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

The government roll out the new 'plan' on the day that we hit the highest cases since May (357, 218 Dublin) and tell Dublin that they are Level 2 (or 2.5) along with the rest of Ireland.
2 days they are talking about Level 3, 3.5 and even 4. FFG were afraid to tell the truth. There will be massive anger if they close the Dublin restaurants today. The coalition of chaos have caused utter confusion again.

I am looking forward to a weekend of talk radio and newspapers.

Ah sure we all partied.

Redgirl82 · 18-09-2020 08:11AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

The government roll out the new 'plan' on the day that we hit the highest cases since May (357, 218 Dublin) and tell Dublin that they are Level 2 (or 2.5) along with the rest of Ireland.
2 days they are talking about Level 3, 3.5 and even 4. FFG were afraid to tell the truth. There will be massive anger if they close the Dublin restaurants today. The coalition of chaos have caused utter confusion again.

I am looking forward to a weekend of talk radio and newspapers.

I personally look forward to a weekend with friends and family.

Each to their own

Brendan Bendar · 18-09-2020 08:12AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Thank you, so it only took you and the other lad how many posts to final agree I was 100% right.

P.S. I don't need to correct anything, I never made that point, if you read the posts or got a proper update from the other lad you would know that.

Lot of mud slinging Redser, from these lads until late into the night.

The tactic.

Keep firing the mud and hope some of it however vacuous will stick.

I don’t know which shift is on this morning but best bring your packed lunch with you, lot of anger out there......

FrancieBrady · 18-09-2020 08:14AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

The government roll out the new 'plan' on the day that we hit the highest cases since May (357, 218 Dublin) and tell Dublin that they are Level 2 (or 2.5) along with the rest of Ireland.
2 days they are talking about Level 3, 3.5 and even 4. FFG were afraid to tell the truth. There will be massive anger if they close the Dublin restaurants today. The coalition of chaos have caused utter confusion again.

I am looking forward to a weekend of talk radio and newspapers.

I didn't think I could be shocked by these guys anymore but the way they have treated people this week has been just that - shocking. They will throw the country into chaos as well as themselves navigating a way out of this. This restaurant owner will not be the first to express their anger.

https://twitter.com/colmkeane/status/1306857494678056961

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