Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

CramCycle · 16-09-2020 10:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Saw this one on stickybottle over the weekend, some of the replies beggar belief

https://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/irish-club-cyclists-head-on-close-pass-with-tractor-trailer-no-reg-plates-video/

As someone who grew upon a farm, learned to drive vehicles from my Dad from 2 wheels upto 8, I was shocked to find one responder who claimed to know how to drive restrict their account and another blocked me after I pointed out perceived issues. All my time on twitter I've never had to ban or block anyone or had the same done to me. Surely if you have the courage of your convictions you would stand over them?

16-09-2020 11:01PM

CramCycle wrote: »

As someone who grew upon a farm, learned to drive vehicles from my Dad from 2 wheels upto 8, I was shocked to find one responder who claimed to know how to drive restrict their account and another blocked me after I pointed out perceived issues. All my time on twitter I've never had to ban or block anyone or had the same done to me. Surely if you have the courage of your convictions you would stand over them?

The gas thing is from my reading of the comments this tractor wasn't even a farm vehicle, it was based on a building site in the locale but that was lost on the twitter feirmeoirí

kenmm · 16-09-2020 11:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The gas thing is from my reading of the comments this tractor wasn't even a farm vehicle, it was based on a building site in the locale but that was lost on the twitter feirmeoirí

Ah cmon, you can't let facts get in the way of a good outrage!

breezy1985 · 17-09-2020 10:59AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Just saw this on twitter (supposedly yesterday despite the date in the tweet)...
https://twitter.com/hevehan/status/1306162418800889856

Jesus would love to know the speeds. That road had a bus lane, cycle lane and a strip to protect people stepping off the path and still can't feel safe

kenmm · 17-09-2020 11:02AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Jesus would love to know the speeds. That road had a bus lane, cycle lane and a strip to protect people stepping off the path and still can't feel safe

Im not gonna lie - I can't honestly say I have never used a bus lane when I shouldn't have when driving.. but that is reckless - undertaking at that speed without the presence of the cyclist is madness alone, never mind with someone on a bike there..

crisco10 · 17-09-2020 11:43AM

What occurs to me here is how helmet cams tend to make things appear slower. With that in mind, wtf speed was he doing??

breezy1985 · 17-09-2020 12:03PM

crisco10 wrote: »

What occurs to me here is how helmet cams tend to make things appear slower. With that in mind, wtf speed was he doing??

I had to watch again to be sure it wasn't a detective car or something

17-09-2020 10:52PM

Breezer wrote: »

That cycle lane is madness. I was nearly knocked off years ago on the equally bad other side of the road, by someone driving exactly like that.

I take the lane there now, or deviate through the park (it’s not my commute; I tend to meander out that way on a weekend). Not sure that a**hole would even have seen someone taking the lane at the speed he was going!

It’s supposedly a QBC. Why it hasn’t got some form of CCTV monitoring is daft.

17-09-2020 11:10PM

5uspect wrote: »

I live just around the corner. Lots of people cycle and stroll along that road. We bring our children down there in the cargo bike regularly.

My god I don't even want to imagine yee meeting that on the cargo :eek:

TheChizler · 18-09-2020 12:45AM

Got practically forced off the road by an oncoming Landcruiser on the way home from work this afternoon, they were swerving around the "pedestrian area, no cars" sign blocking their lane and decided they were more entitled to the side of the road I was on than I was. Didn't realise they weren't turning right until the last second and I kind of just automatically moved of the way but I got progresively more annoyed until I got home. It's widely known that the marina in Cork is closed to traffic and they thought nothing of forcing a more vulnerable road user out of the way so they wouldn't have to slow down.

Should I ring Traffic Watch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU29CPjFXBw

padjocollins · 18-09-2020 07:35AM

very aggressive in my opinion, he definately should have slowed and waited till you passed. Not a great feeling having 4000kg coming at you at 60kmh. I'd report him @righttobikeit is on twitter and from cork , he'll advise you on how best to go about it. I assume having the licence number is key as well as the video above. good luck

breezy1985 · 18-09-2020 08:24AM

TheChizler wrote: »

Got practically forced off the road by an oncoming Landcruiser on the way home from work this afternoon, they were swerving around the "pedestrian area, no cars" sign blocking their lane and decided they were more entitled to the side of the road I was on than I was. Didn't realise they weren't turning right until the last second and I kind of just automatically moved of the way but I got progresively more annoyed until I got home. It's widely known that the marina in Cork is closed to traffic and they thought nothing of forcing a more vulnerable road user out of the way so they wouldn't have to slow down.

Should I ring Traffic Watch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU29CPjFXBw

Was he even allowed drive down that road?

TheChizler · 18-09-2020 08:28AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Was he even allowed drive down that road?

There's local access to a rowing club so I guess he could claim he was going there. He certainly wasn't allowed drive through me to get there...

breezy1985 · 18-09-2020 08:43AM

TheChizler wrote: »

There's local access to a rowing club so I guess he could claim he was going there. He certainly wasn't allowed drive through me to get there...

Typical my road everyone else need to get out of my way crap. I bet even if there was no road space to your left he would have done it anyway

18-09-2020 11:06AM

Breezer wrote: »

I’d hate to see the quality of the bus that fits in that corridor! The bus lane, without the cycle lane bit, is about a metre wide at some points. They’ve actually altered the “Lána Bus” markings to make them fit. It’s like they’ve been skewed in Microsoft Paint or something.

it is a good example of the council claiming to have built a cycle lane, when in fact all they have done is paint a line down the road.

Breezer wrote: »

Does any QBC have CCTV monitoring?

not that I am aware of. That one would be a good place to start as it is rare to drive or cycle along there at busy times and not see people skipping up the bus lane.

There's probably something stopping it being done like "I have my rights" or something like that.

AndrewJRenko · 19-09-2020 11:47AM

padjocollins wrote: »

very aggressive in my opinion, he definately should have slowed and waited till you passed. Not a great feeling having 4000kg coming at you at 60kmh. I'd report him @righttobikeit is on twitter and from cork , he'll advise you on how best to go about it. I assume having the licence number is key as well as the video above. good luck

@righttobikeit seems to have better responses from Cork gardai than I've got from Dublin gardai. Maybe a different attitude down there....

lawrencesummers · 21-09-2020 12:33PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

I had to watch again to be sure it wasn't a detective car or something

You won’t ever find a cop car being driven like that without lights and sirens on.

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 12:47PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You won’t ever find a cop car being driven like that without lights and sirens on.

That's why I watched again to see if I had just missed the lights

CramCycle · 21-09-2020 04:51PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You won’t ever find a cop car being driven like that without lights and sirens on.

Funnily enough, I jokingly told a driver he forgot to put on his blues coming down the bus lane like that. Well f*ck me if he didn't put them on then and there. I just gave him a thumbs up and thankfully the lights went green so I just cycled on. It was an unmarked car in case that wasn't clear. e was doing a ton coming past UCD and nearly hit a two cars that he screamed through as they were merging.

lawrencesummers · 21-09-2020 05:37PM

I would like to thank Sam for all he has done for cycling in Ireland today.

It’s the first spin I’ve been on this year where every car gave a decent amount of room and didn’t feel the need to pluck a calf hair with their bumper.

Hopefully it sticks....

micar · 21-09-2020 05:44PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I would like to thank Sam for all he has done for cycling in Ireland today.

It’s the first spin I’ve been on this year where every car gave a decent amount of room and didn’t feel the need to pluck a calf hair with their bumper.

Hopefully it sticks....

Listening to Off The Ball yesterday....had a cycling journalists saying the success of Sam will get more people cycling especially kids.

If we want those kids to keep cycling, motorists need to give cyclists as much room as possible.

lawrencesummers · 21-09-2020 05:53PM

micar wrote: »

Listening to Off The Ball yesterday....had a cycling journalists saying the success of Sam will get more people cycling especially kids.

If we want those kids to keep cycling, motorists need to give cyclists as much room as possible.

If you want those kids to keep cycling the infrastructure needs to change. I have a lot of sympathy for people driving on poor roads that don’t allow ALL
Road users to make sufficient progress, it doesn’t excuse dangerous driving but I can sympathize to a degree.

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 06:21PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

If you want those kids to keep cycling the infrastructure needs to change. I have a lot of sympathy for people driving on poor roads that don’t allow ALL
Road users to make sufficient progress, it doesn’t excuse dangerous driving but I can sympathize to a degree.

I keep trying to explain to driver I know that often this cycling infrastructure will help them too by getting us out of their way

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 10:18PM

Breezer wrote: »

You’re up against it with some people. I had a “discussion” with my mother at the weekend, in the course of which she insisted that all the new cycles lanes she has to pay for are too wide and too narrow, and there’s too many of them taking up road space, and they need to put more in because cyclists, including kids, are having to go down the middle of the road when there’s none there.

Now I think of it, half of that was positive. I ended up being wrong anyway, though.

I got crap from a woman tonight who was walking in a cycle lane with her back to traffic. I told her to be careful as its essentially road to which she replied "no its not its a cycle path" Clues in the name you stuck up t***

work · 22-09-2020 10:34PM

I live off Carysfort Ave in Blackrock which has recently got an excellent bike lane. It is wonderful seeing all the people use it and especially the junior infants going to school that will know no different (as it should be).
I have however had a number in "interactions" that concern me and I believe all those in favour of cycling need to really push for more infrastructure and maintenance for what we have as tere is a pushback:
1) While travelling away from Stillorgan on Stillorgan park road I was dangerously overtaken by a neighbour. I blew a gasket and asked what she was doing upon which I was educated that A) I am legally required to use the cylce lane (there isn't really one just a shared rough surface on the path) and

She didnt really feel it ws a close pass as I wasnt in the cycle lane!!
2) Another neighbor informed me she stopped her car and EXPLAINED aggressively to a cyclist on Carysfort Avenue "what are you doing on the road haven't we given up enough space to your cycle lane"...No real answer to that proud of intimidating a cyclist who is not breaking the law and divisive language.

3) The residents rep says she is under pressure to make a significant number of representations to the council about how inappropriate, from many perspectives, the lanes are and why they should be closed.
Sorry long post but there is significant ill feeling about the lanes and so much RE-EDUCATION is needed.

AndrewJRenko · 22-09-2020 11:03PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Just a small update on this. I have had one call from a Garda, it was only 2 days after the incident, so no complaints on timing. I explained again what happened in this incident and was then asked what would I like the Gardai to do. This was a bit unexpected honestly, and I responded as such. The Gard suggested maybe having a chat with the driver, to which I pushed back and reiterated that there was contact made in this pass, and that there was a 'Dangerous Pass of Cyclists' penalty point offence. I did mention that given there was contact I wondered if this more than a dangerous pass, to which I had no real response.

Not much else was said, just a question of whether I was willing to give a statement to which I said I was, and I would be willing to do whatever was required. I did pass on the video footage via email, and I have since been asked if I could transfer it to a USB stick, all through email.

So in short, they have seen the footage and have asked if I can provide a physical copy. A fast start, but I feel things are starting to drag now. I wonder how long this will take.

Just curious - did you sent them a low-res version by email or a link to an uploaded version? I've had different responses like 'oh, you can't put it anywhere on d'Internet, even with a private link'. Their email limit seems to be 10mb, which doesn't give much scope for video.

breezy1985 · 23-09-2020 09:25AM

Cycle on the road = screaming
Cycle on the cycle path = screaming

The truth is people just have an irrational hatred for cyclists. You see the same if you go on a vegetarian thread it's full of furious people who's lives are in no way affected by other people's diets but are mad anyway.

Seaswimmer · 23-09-2020 09:26AM

work wrote: »

I live off Carysfort Ave in Blackrock which has recently got an excellent bike lane. It is wonderful seeing all the people use it and especially the junior infants going to school that will know no different (as it should be).
I have however had a number in "interactions" that concern me and I believe all those in favour of cycling need to really push for more infrastructure and maintenance for what we have as tere is a pushback:
1) While travelling away from Stillorgan on Stillorgan park road I was dangerously overtaken by a neighbour. I blew a gasket and asked what she was doing upon which I was educated that A) I am legally required to use the cylce lane (there isn't really one just a shared rough surface on the path) and She didnt really feel it ws a close pass as I wasnt in the cycle lane!!
2) Another neighbor informed me she stopped her car and EXPLAINED aggressively to a cyclist on Carysfort Avenue "what are you doing on the road haven't we given up enough space to your cycle lane"...No real answer to that proud of intimidating a cyclist who is not breaking the law and divisive language.

3) The residents rep says she is under pressure to make a significant number of representations to the council about how inappropriate, from many perspectives, the lanes are and why they should be closed.
Sorry long post but there is significant ill feeling about the lanes and so much RE-EDUCATION is needed.

I live in the area and have been following the "debate" on social media particularly about the Seapoint Ave - Sandycove lanes. The councillors are all very quiet on the issues of the new lanes. This leads me to believe there is widespread support. The only recent work where submissions were invited was the Blackrock Main Street scheme. Despite almost unanimous opposition on social media almost 75% of submissions were positive. (see extract below)

The public feedback from Phase One saw over 160 submissions and we have taken note and amended some of the elements of the project to reflect some of this public input. 74% of the submissions were positive, 18% negative and 8% neutral.

There is no harm in letting the council know you approve of the recent work or if you have any suggestions. I find they always respond to emails.

info@dlrcoco.ie

Oymyakon · 23-09-2020 09:48AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Cycle on the road = screaming
Cycle on the cycle path = screaming

The truth is people just have an irrational hatred for cyclists. You see the same if you go on a vegetarian thread it's full of furious people who's lives are in no way affected by other people's diets but are mad anyway.

On this point. Not exactly a cycling incident but my girlfriend had an incident yesterday walking home from work, she put her foot on the road (a minor lane leading onto a main road) while looking at her phone. She shouldn't have stepped onto the road before looking up but she claimed she wasn't going to actually cross before looking up.... anyway a woman driving a jeep on this lane claimed my gf was very lucky she didn't end up in St. James' and that "she hopes she gets hit the next time".

Despicable language out of someone in a jeep directed towards a more vulnerable road user. I don't care how unobservant a pedestrian is, if you're driving a jeep in the city, slow down and expect the unexpected... sick of these verbal wars going on between people on our streets. You can't be in that much of a rush.

CramCycle · 23-09-2020 11:35AM

work wrote: »

I live off Carysfort Ave in Blackrock which has recently got an excellent bike lane. It is wonderful seeing all the people use it and especially the junior infants going to school that will know no different (as it should be).
I have however had a number in "interactions" that concern me and I believe all those in favour of cycling need to really push for more infrastructure and maintenance for what we have as tere is a pushback:
1) While travelling away from Stillorgan on Stillorgan park road I was dangerously overtaken by a neighbour. I blew a gasket and asked what she was doing upon which I was educated that A) I am legally required to use the cylce lane (there isn't really one just a shared rough surface on the path) and She didnt really feel it ws a close pass as I wasnt in the cycle lane!!
2) Another neighbor informed me she stopped her car and EXPLAINED aggressively to a cyclist on Carysfort Avenue "what are you doing on the road haven't we given up enough space to your cycle lane"...No real answer to that proud of intimidating a cyclist who is not breaking the law and divisive language.

3) The residents rep says she is under pressure to make a significant number of representations to the council about how inappropriate, from many perspectives, the lanes are and why they should be closed.
Sorry long post but there is significant ill feeling about the lanes and so much RE-EDUCATION is needed.

Dear lord :rolleyes: you're never going to get a reasonable discussion out of someone once they decide that if you shouldn't be there it is justification for intimidation. Same on my local area group chat. I pointed out to one in particular the laws, rules and reasons, to which she politely told me to get f*cked. The idiocy of some of them is astonishing. Not that they care but:
- you are not legally required to use the path
- close passing is dangerous driving and a PP offence whether she likes you there or not.
- you are 100% right on the intimidation. This actually constitutes assault and if a Garda wanted to there could be a court date and quite a serious fine/jail time for it.

Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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