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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #7532
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,961 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MoodeRator wrote: »
    I have been lurking here for weeks watching a mostly reasonable debate anbd discussion, but at the same time confused by some peoples undying faith in Trump. It was only this morning, when I see a post on Twitter regarding the Turning Point USA Organisation.
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/15/21438897/troll-farm-turning-point-teenagers-moderation
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/turning-point-hired-arizona-teens-to-flood-social-media-with-attacks-on-biden-wapo
    With this organisation also having a UK branch I am left wondering if there is some kind of similar process being followed by some people with in this thread??

    It is scurrilous to suggest that the people posting pro-trump talking points are being paid to do so.


  • #7533
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It is scurrilous to suggest that the people posting pro-trump talking points are being paid to do so.

    It’s not beyond belief that some of the posters are disingenuous, plenty just post whatever clips they come across. If they are being paid they really aren’t earning their money.


  • #7534
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Wow that town hall was a complete shambles. What an embarrassing performance by Trump. What's clear again is he has absolutely no ability to discuss policy or articulate policy in any way. He just defaults to the same nonsense in every answer i.e. blame Obama and others for his failings, say that he's looking into things "strongly", claim he's done more than any President ever (while being unable to articulate that at all) and rinse and repeat. Absolute shitshow.


    Let's not forget that this is the guy who'll supposedly "destroy" Biden in the debates.


  • #7535
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And therein is captured the utter poison that is Social Media.

    How many countless thousands will see a manipulated video or photo and take it at face value and not do a double-check?


    We've had several examples over the last couple of days where a video was posted appearing to show one thing, but a quick bit of research shows that they were either actively manipulated or just cropped to remove context.

    The vast majority of people don't and won't take that extra step - They see it , it resonates with their point of view and they click share.


    It's utterly poisonous.

    Good post. If it's not dealt with, and I don't think it will be, then democracy will almost certainly die. What a thing to find myself typing in 2020.


  • #7536
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    MoodeRator wrote: »
    I have been lurking here for weeks watching a mostly reasonable debate anbd discussion, but at the same time confused by some peoples undying faith in Trump. It was only this morning, when I see a post on Twitter regarding the Turning Point USA Organisation.
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/15/21438897/troll-farm-turning-point-teenagers-moderation
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/turning-point-hired-arizona-teens-to-flood-social-media-with-attacks-on-biden-wapo
    With this organisation also having a UK branch I am left wondering if there is some kind of similar process being followed by some people with in this thread??


    I doubt it myself. I'd say they're just hanging around in the areas that are targeted by such people and picking up a case of monkey see, monkey do.



    Those cesspits of cultish devotion can't foster anything resembling sensible debate. It's just people blindly distributing memes and videos to others who blindly distribute memes and videos and so on. That's why they aren't able to engage - it just doesn't happen in their bubbles.


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  • #7537
    Gentlemanne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I'm wondering what tomorrow's will be.

    Friday should be a laugh too, Biden will do his townhall and they will all be up bright and early scouring facebook/twitter for edited video.

    I don't think he needs to do much scouring, he posts stuff from the griftiest of right wing twitter, so the deceptive and cherry-picked nonsense is fed directly to him.

    It amazes me when someone uses a person like Ian Miles Cheong as a source, someone who is so phony that just yesterday he posted a hoax correction that included his own tweets as a source of the hoax

    https://twitter.com/RationalDis/status/1305964230324244491?s=20


  • #7538
    MoodeRator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭MoodeRator


    mcmoustache your thoughts do seem more plausible than my own. I suppose it is similar to the many posts I used to witness on Facebook (when I used to have it), whereby if something is posted on the internet it must be true. Although I could never work why, if people had a genuine interest in the topic posted, why would they not research it first hand, rather than just blindly pass on such obvious falsehoods


  • #7539
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Good post. If it's not dealt with, and I don't think it will be, then democracy will almost certainly die. What a thing to find myself typing in 2020.

    It's not just democracy , it's society.

    The increasing lack of critical thinking across the board is worrying to say the least.

    The whole "But I saw it in Facebook/Twitter/Instagram" mindset along with people limiting themselves to a single source for information (or a least a single flavour of source) is a huge risk.

    We are living in a post-truth/low information age - Which is really incredible when you think that the average person has access to more information at their fingertips then at any other time in human history.

    And what have we chosen to do with all this access to information?

    We share F**king MEMES!

    It's a depressing window into the state of humanity.


  • #7540
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Good post. If it's not dealt with, and I don't think it will be, then democracy will almost certainly die. What a thing to find myself typing in 2020.

    I think you have the wrong tense. It's already dead, decided by media and social media. Much like how we used to choose the next apprentice on TV.


  • #7541
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    A full transcript of last nights Town Hall I'd like a Trump supporter to read it then come back and still say Biden is the mentally compromised candidate.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-abc-news-town-hall-full-transcript/story?id=73035489&cid=social_twitter_abcnp


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  • #7542
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Biden has won the Latino vote

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1306025265290674177

    Jesus, that's desperate.

    Patronizing Bull**** like that sunk Labour in Britain.

    Out of touch rich kids.


  • #7543
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    It's not just democracy , it's society.

    The increasing lack of critical thinking across the board is worrying to say the least.

    The whole "But I saw it in Facebook/Twitter/Instagram" mindset along with people limiting themselves to a single source for information (or a least a single flavour of source) is a huge risk.

    We are living in a post-truth/low information age - Which is really incredible when you think that the average person has access to more information at their fingertips then at any other time in human history.

    And what have we chosen to do with all this access to information?

    We share F**king MEMES!

    It's a depressing window into the state of humanity.

    Sharing memes is really just a form if comedy/satire that's been around forever. That's fine as it's in the context of humour and mostly obvious.

    It's the abuse of information technology (amongst other abuses) that's the issue. Edited videos, lies, repeated sound clips, mass campaigning on three word slogans, deliberate spreading of misinformation or incomplete information, false equivalences, targeting/profiling of voters to very specific degrees, constant polarisation of people.
    Mix that with the general lack of education around critical thinking and the humans brain constantly seeking confirmation bias and it's easy to see why we seem to be in decline.

    What can we do tho? The interest in seeking out facts is low, we barely even want to admit there is a problem. Oh look, cat video sent to me on WA, brb


  • #7544
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Danzy wrote: »
    Jesus, that's desperate.

    Patronizing Bull**** like that sunk Labour in Britain.

    Out of touch rich kids.

    Context, context , context


  • #7545
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Danzy wrote: »
    Jesus, that's desperate.

    Patronizing Bull**** like that sunk Labour in Britain.

    Out of touch rich kids.

    Context is key


  • #7546
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The difference between Biden and Trump at this stage is that you have to edit a Biden interview/speech to make him sound incoherent, while you have to edit a Trump interview/speech to make him sound coherent. Every halfway objective examination of Trump that has been done lately has gone viral from the Chris Wallace interview, to the HBO interview and now to this town hall.

    Biden trips over his words in little clips. Trump does it in long form. You really do need to cop a 'Herd mentality' to believe Trump is fit for the presidency.


  • #7547
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    I’m not. I specifically predicted it.

    Time to do the username change to Nostradamus. :D


  • #7548
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Time to do the username change to Nostradamus. :D

    I knew you were going to say that :pac:


  • #7549
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    salmocab wrote: »
    It’s not beyond belief that some of the posters are disingenuous, plenty just post whatever clips they come across. If they are being paid they really aren’t earning their money.

    Minimum wage/minimum effort?


  • #7550
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Minimum wage/minimum effort?

    Even for minimum wage I’d expect some level of effort


  • #7551
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Danzy wrote: »
    Jesus, that's desperate.

    Patronizing Bull**** like that sunk Labour in Britain.

    Out of touch rich kids.

    Obviously you have watched the edited clip and have no clue as to the context.

    Embarrassing:pac:


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  • #7552
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Danzy wrote: »
    Jesus, that's desperate.

    Patronizing Bull**** like that sunk Labour in Britain.

    Out of touch rich kids.

    Don you really believe that's an honest reflection of what happened?


  • #7553
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    MoodeRator wrote: »
    I have been lurking here for weeks watching a mostly reasonable debate anbd discussion, but at the same time confused by some peoples undying faith in Trump. It was only this morning, when I see a post on Twitter regarding the Turning Point USA Organisation.
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/15/21438897/troll-farm-turning-point-teenagers-moderation
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/turning-point-hired-arizona-teens-to-flood-social-media-with-attacks-on-biden-wapo
    With this organisation also having a UK branch I am left wondering if there is some kind of similar process being followed by some people with in this thread??

    You think it's Mossad?

    It's often Mossad with you lot.


  • #7554
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Danzy wrote: »
    You think it's Mossad?

    It's often Mossad with you lot.

    Which 'lot' would that be?


  • #7555
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,961 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Danzy wrote: »
    You think it's Mossad?

    It's often Mossad with you lot.

    why mention mossad?


  • #7556
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why mention mossad?

    Because then he has switched the discussion about how badly Trump is doing.


  • #7557
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why mention mossad?

    Because it's less obvious than Squirrel!!!!


  • #7558
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Danzy wrote: »
    You think it's Mossad?

    It's often Mossad with you lot.

    Personally I would have suspected the Spanish inquisition


  • #7559
    ollkiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Personally I would have suspected the Spanish inquisition

    No one suspects the Spanish Inquisition.


  • #7560
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Less than two weeks out now from the first debate and Trumps last three interviews and the town hall last night have all been car crashes. All indicators are pointing towards that trend continuing in the debates.


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  • #7561
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Less than two weeks out now from the first debate and Trumps last three interviews and the town hall last night have all been car crashes. All indicators are pointing towards that trend continuing in the debates.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump does the first one, makes a total ass of himself and then drops out of the other one.


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