John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

stockshares wrote: »

I didn't say he shouldn't , I said I thought he might have been opportunistic in bringing it out this way Instead of waiting till the story reached its conclusion. After listening to the interview on Matt Cooper I realise I was wrong in saying so because Delaney would have sued him and probably won.

From my post #4869
Also I think Mark Tighe might be profiting from this story too in the same way that Paul Williams profits off crime by writing his books.

I could be wrong though. Maybe the profits are going to some cause or other. He has done a great job in exposing the FAI though but the book is a bit opportunistic.

From my post #4874
I'm not sure what the procedure is with investigative journalism but I imagine the story should have been run through the paper to its conclusion. After that a book could be written on it. I think this has happened with other scandals

I’m saying it’s not opportunistic, he should be applauded and any profits don’t need to go to “a cause” they should go to whoever did the hard work (and book profits tend to be tiny unless it’s a massive long time bestseller). If there’s enough content for a book how many months would it take to get that out in a weekly paper in digestible articles?

Furthermore, Delaney has the ego and deep pockets to fight this through every available court and appeal court which may stretch on for years, so waiting for the conclusion isn’t practical, there may well be another book by him or others at that point, but the story is hot now so makes sense to publish now and for it to be supported by people who want to see risk-taking investigative journalism encouraged, its a sadly dying art in this age of clickbait and copy and paste regurgitation of press releases.

CatFromHue wrote: »

O'Dowd wasn't protecting Delaney, he was protecting the PAC.

Angela Kerins, of The Rehab Group, was before the PAC in 2014 and she eventually took them to court over their questioning of her. She had to go to The Supreme Court but she her case there showing that they went outside of their remit.

That's why O'Dowd was strict on the questioning of Delaney and the FAI. They could only ask about public money that was given to the FAI.

The Journal did a good article on it.
https://www.thejournal.ie/oireachtas-committee-kerins-4588817-Apr2019/

I don't think you can blame any of the politicians for what happened at the FAI either, this was all in house. Even if they did know what was going on there was nothing they could do about it.

The PAC angle made it convenient to protect Delaney also.

It was farcical that the PAC were afraid of Delaney's ability to sue due to the very corruption that him in front of the committee in the first place. This was also what enabled Kerins to sue(the very corruption she was accused of).

It shouldn't have been the committee investigating him, it should have been the Gardai.

CatFromHue wrote: »

O'Dowd wasn't protecting Delaney, he was protecting the PAC.

Angela Kerins, of The Rehab Group, was before the PAC in 2014 and she eventually took them to court over their questioning of her. She had to go to The Supreme Court but she her case there showing that they went outside of their remit.

That's why O'Dowd was strict on the questioning of Delaney and the FAI. They could only ask about public money that was given to the FAI.

The Journal did a good article on it.
https://www.thejournal.ie/oireachtas-committee-kerins-4588817-Apr2019/

I don't think you can blame any of the politicians for what happened at the FAI either, this was all in house. Even if they did know what was going on there was nothing they could do about it.

Delaney stank for decades you can blame his mate Bertie Ahern and every minister for sport going back to his fathers time. This is a story of corruption way beyond the FAI.

NIMAN wrote: »

There's folk out there with criminal records for less.

I think if Delaney walks away from this scot free its a clear signal that white collar crime in Ireland was never tackled after the crash and we're liable to see it to happen all over again.

Deleted User wrote: »

You've gone from criticising the author of the book exposing Delaney to implying that a politician deliberately frustrated efforts to investigate Delaney...there's a pretty serious innuendo in that...

I've said I was wrong in saying Mark Tighe was opportunistic. After listening to the interview I don't think he could have written more without Delaney suing him and possibly burying all stories as a result so the book is the best option.

Given that the Oireachtas Committee knew they could be sued why put Delaney in front of an Oireachtas committee in the first place. Politicians wanted him there because they knew questions could be restricted. They did not want him in front of the Gardai/Law.

Delaney was there for 15 years and plenty partied with him. He has plenty of dirt to throw.

Remember he had a lot of influence and brought Denis O Brien in as a sponsor. He was in with Pat Hickey and the IOC and on
FIFA. He rubbed shoulders with a lot of powerful people. Politicians thought he was useful for them and looked the other way and because they did they want the story to away.

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm just worried that there is nothing illegal they can pin on him to charge him with anything.

I have no doubt he will walk around scot free from the mess he made of Irish soccer, but I just hope his life is hell for the rest of his time, and that he gets all the abuse he deserves every time he shows his face in public.

Money that was allegedly meant to go to his ex for arranging the England games (lols galore, what?) ended up in his account and she has denied all knowledge of it.

I'd be interested if anyone in finance or legal could put a name on that action.

Deleted User wrote: »

Huh?

You're saying he was brought before the Public Accounts Committee because they knew that forum had a limited jurisdiction, but they wanted to protect him and it would frustrate any efforts to prosecute him for any offence?

That...makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They had to be seen to do something. The committee was ideal because only limited questions could be asked. It satisfied public anger at the time to a limited extent.

CatFromHue wrote: »

The FAI go to the PAC regularly enough. It just happened that they were due after the 100K story broke.

I think the FAI's performance at it, and Delaney's in particular, really showed them up for what they were. They went there to not answer questions and to be as difficult as possible. They know how the PAC works and were shown to have gone out of their way to time waste.

The point you made above is correct.

They were helped in this by Fergus O Dowd repeatedly adjourning or intervening to prevent questions + gombeens like Michael Healy Rea getting their speak in.

I remember watching it and waiting for the hard questions to be asked but it just petered out.

No momentum was allowed build so Delaney remained comfortable during it and didn't make any mistakes.

CatFromHue wrote: »

The PAC can only ask about govt money, anything else it's out of their remit and Delaney could sue.

I think he showed up to the PAC with Kerrins legal team too, so just letting it know as soon as he walked in what his plan was.

Do you know where the investigation stands at the moment or is there one?

I doubt MHR was ever going to call him to account even if he knew full well what was going on.

Is there an actual Garda investigation on going in this case or where does it stand? Surely fraud, champtery and the breaking of other company laws must be under investigation here?

Fianna Fail wanted Delaney in 2007-08. A Minister asked him to join when they were both in Croke Park.
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fianna-fail-approached-fai-boss-john-delaney-to-run-for-the-dail-30570612.html?__twitter_impression=true

Assuming the Minister was there in an Official capacity it was likely to be one of these, either John O Donoghue, Seamus Brennan or Martin Cullen. They were Ministers for Sport around that time. More likely to be Brennan or Cullen as Donoghues time was up in 2007.


To think that Saipan and the Genesis report led to an even worse outcome.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/keane-proven-right-over-saipan-fiasco-26245297.html

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The Genesis report was commissioned by the FAI as an independent root-and-branch examination of the Mick McCarthy/Roy Keane row and the circumstances which gave rise to the tensions that erupted into a full-scale war between manager and captain on the tiny Pacific island of Saipan.

The officer board of the association general secretary Brendan Menton and key elected officials Milo Corcoran, John Delaney, Kevin Fahy and David Blood met at Kilkea Castle, where they were handed a copy of the report and sat through an oral presentation with slides.

stockshares wrote: »

Fianna Fail wanted Delaney in 2007-08. A Minister asked him to join when they were both in Croke Park.
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fianna-fail-approached-fai-boss-john-delaney-to-run-for-the-dail-30570612.html?__twitter_impression=true

The more accurate way of describing that is "Delaney claims FF wanted him".

Though they would be well suited on so many levels.

Delaney also claimed he was offered a job paying a million euro a year.

I always found that one hard to believe. What has he ever done in his career that would make somebody offer him that sort of money?

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/5901157/credit-union-ad-roy-keane-martin-oneill-fai-champagne-football/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

:rolleyes:

In this case though it's more a reflection on O Neill. Hes a petty individual and far too precious.

It's probably the only occasion where Delaney isn't primarily to blame.

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An FAI source empathized with O’Neill. “He hadn’t done this at Celtic or Leicester, so he just thought, ‘Why do I have to do this now?’” the source says.