Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

dobman88 · 07-09-2020 11:48am

cms88 wrote: »

She was on Twitter over the weekend saying how there's no need for nasty comments etc from people saying how county board want it work more than anyone. No sorry about it or anything, when people paied for somethign they didn't actually get.

I think shes mistaking nasty comments for people complaining about a poor service. I dont care about a loss of service, it's going to happen with a new streaming service and Kerry is hardly a hotspot for.broadband but to not even give a game or 2 for free or offer refunds, both of which Mayo GAA did, isnt right. All the spin is just about how much they're spending on streams etc.

conor05 · 07-09-2020 8:57pm

Forge83 wrote: »

No chance Parnells would go senior so soon , they would be ate alive! Of course everyone wants them playing senior eventually but it won’t happen for another few years.
Has a composite team ever been considered for the senior hurling championship? Parnells/Kilgarvan/Crokes/Kenmare etc
Ballyduff were always going to struggle with an unfit Mikey Boyle due to injury(plus the other injuries). Jason Diggins is some hurler from Causeway, would make any inter county panel in the country. As a back he doesn’t get the recognition the likes of Shane Conway does because he’s a forward.

The plan is a 10 team SHC in 2-3 years time. They are hoping Tralee Parnells will go in by themselves and then hopefully a South Kerry team.

You’d be surprised Tralee Parnells wouldn’t be too far off the standard of Ballyheigue at the minute.

Agreed about Jason Diggins, class hurler and awesome in the air too.

I think Daniel Collins from Kilmoyley is the best club hurler in Kerry when fully fit.

I can think of atleast 3 better hurlers than Shane Conway in the county, but they don’t go to college or never will play Fitzgibbon hurling so they won’t get the same profile as he got from the UCC Fitzgibbon Cup.

Collins v Diggins will be some match up in the final is they pair off.

The standard of Kerry club hurling is getting higher.

Lots of really talented hurlers in the 18 to 22 bracket on the scene now.

I fancy Causeway the final by 2 points.

cms88 · 08-09-2020 7:45am

Forge83 wrote: »

No chance Parnells would go senior so soon , they would be ate alive! Of course everyone wants them playing senior eventually but it won’t happen for another few years.
Has a composite team ever been considered for the senior hurling championship? Parnells/Kilgarvan/Crokes/Kenmare etc
Ballyduff were always going to struggle with an unfit Mikey Boyle due to injury(plus the other injuries). Jason Diggins is some hurler from Causeway, would make any inter county panel in the country. As a back he doesn’t get the recognition the likes of Shane Conway does because he’s a forward.

A South Kerry team of Kenmare, Kilgarvan, St. Pats, Crokes, Laune Rangers and Stacks used to enter for a wjile. But was a disaster, very little training etc.

I've always felt going down the line of Kenmare and Kilgarvan entering as South Kerry, Crokes and St. Pats as East Kerry and Parnalls and Daugh as another. Would be easier to get together for training etc plus would still play in the Intermediate etc

Bass Reeves · 08-09-2020 8:05am

cms88 wrote: »

A South Kerry team of Kenmare, Kilgarvan, St. Pats, Crokes, Laune Rangers and Stacks used to enter for a wjile. But was a disaster, very little training etc.

I've always felt going down the line of Kenmare and Kilgarvan entering as South Kerry, Crokes and St. Pats as East Kerry and Parnalls and Daugh as another. Would be easier to get together for training etc plus would still play in the Intermediate etc

It very hard to set up multi club teams. Any dual player will come under pressure from his club for the other sport. It hard enough even in a club structure to manage the lesser sport whether it is football or hurling. I involved in a club team that plays football in a hurling county. We have about 50% crossover. The hurling team reached a quarter final we had won the first of matches and were playing to top the group and have a easier draw in QF. Players were instructed by hurling management not to play the second game. As there is no committee meetings except an adhoc executive the club officers refused to become involved.

Its virtually impossible for us to train at present as hurlers are not allowed to attend training. If you have a structure over 5-6 clubs it will be impossible to manage.

Kerrydude1981 · 08-09-2020 8:06am

cms88 wrote: »

A South Kerry team of Kenmare, Kilgarvan, St. Pats, Crokes, Laune Rangers and Stacks used to enter for a wjile. But was a disaster, very little training etc.

I've always felt going down the line of Kenmare and Kilgarvan entering as South Kerry, Crokes and St. Pats as East Kerry and Parnalls and Daugh as another. Would be easier to get together for training etc plus would still play in the Intermediate etc

If South Kerry enter a team then any player that plays in the Senior Championship cannot play Intermediate Championship,
That rule is there for the North Kerry clubs so it should be the same rule across the board

Bass Reeves · 08-09-2020 8:12am

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

If South Kerry enter a team then any player that plays in the Senior Championship cannot play Intermediate Championship,
That rule is there for the North Kerry clubs so it should be the same rule across the board

It is not applied in the County football championship. I imagine that it is put in place to prevent divisional sides in North Kerry

Kerrydude1981 · 08-09-2020 8:19am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It is not applied in the County football championship. I imagine that it is put in place to prevent divisional sides in North Kerry

Its applied for the B Football Championships alright

Kerrydude1981 · 08-09-2020 8:31am

The Division Two county league is more benefit to the South Kerry clubs imo, they are playing the North Kerry clubs B Teams, playing better players and this would stand to them

Intermediate Championship this year they were only playing some clubs C teams because the North Kerry teams had a new rule this year to contend with re player eligibility for Intermediate Hurling Championship

Kilgravan made the decision to play in the Division One County League this year and in the one game they played before lockdown Abbeydorney beat them by 3/4 points,

The talent is there, winning minor and u21 championships on top of Kilgravan's success the last two years at Intermediate all should point to a very competitive South Kerry team for the senior championship.
Get in a top coach and see where it takes them

cms88 · 08-09-2020 8:57am

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

If South Kerry enter a team then any player that plays in the Senior Championship cannot play Intermediate Championship,
That rule is there for the North Kerry clubs so it should be the same rule across the board

Big difference though between the North Kerry clubs Intermediate teams and the South Kerry teams. It's not that long ago that some of them had players on the Kerry panel playing with their Intermediate teams.

Kerrydude1981 · 08-09-2020 9:46am

cms88 wrote: »

Big difference though between the North Kerry clubs Intermediate teams and the South Kerry teams. It's not that long ago that some of them had players on the Kerry panel playing with their Intermediate teams.

There is a rule in place now to stop that from happening again,

Kilgravan beat a very strong Causeway B team in the county intermediate final two years ago.

Same As · 08-09-2020 9:13pm

https://twitter.com/kerryman_ie/status/1303411532793954306

This headline really got my back up.

How could you be confident about getting a ban for a blatant, dangerous breach of the rules on a "televised" game overturned? If overruled, it completely undermines the referee and sets the wrong kind of precedent for future appeals and furthermore a desperate example for younger players.

Clifford and East Kerry should accept the punishment and suspension and acknowledge wrong doing, end of.

(I am from East Kerry)

dobman88 · 08-09-2020 9:41pm

Jaysus. I'd be shocked if it's over turned. I txt the brother almost straight away with a clip of it and we both said the ban could actually be increased. It's dangerous and nasty. My own club men play for East Kerry, I'm a massive fan of David and want to see him playing obviously but he cant have any complaints with a ban..

I also heard Donaghys opinion on the incident which slightly annoyed me. He said you're running up the pitch and a fella blocks you so you try and use a bit of leverage to get him off you. That's so far off the mark its mental.

Kerrydude1981 · 09-09-2020 7:37am

I will lose whatever little faith I have left in the county board if that red card is over turned.

thesultan · 09-09-2020 8:22am

Any link?

wonga77 · 09-09-2020 10:28pm

https://twitter.com/Brennan_PB/status/1303815570052308993?s=19

cms88 · 11-09-2020 7:48am

Mid-Kerry/Crokes has been hiked to €10 for the 1 match. Game is also on TG4 so i don't see why they think people will now pay double to watch it on a stream that's already showed to be poor. I wonder will Leona make a comment?

Forge83 · 11-09-2020 8:11am

cms88 wrote: »

Mid-Kerry/Crokes has been hiked to €10 for the 1 match. Game is also on TG4 so i don't see why they think people will now pay double to watch it on a stream that's already showed to be poor. I wonder will Leona make a comment?

Is it not €10 for both games?

wonga77 · 11-09-2020 8:32am

I dont think they are streaming tonights game, that's on tg4

benji79 · 11-09-2020 8:48am

To even appeal that incident is mad. What could you even say to try get it changed, was fairly clear

Same As · 11-09-2020 8:54am

cms88 wrote: »

Mid-Kerry/Crokes has been hiked to €10 for the 1 match. Game is also on TG4 so i don't see why they think people will now pay double to watch it on a stream that's already showed to be poor. I wonder will Leona make a comment?

They are unbelievable. Still no comment about Club Pass refunds or free access, either.

Kerrydude1981 · 11-09-2020 9:10am

Double package for the Mid Kerry V Crokes and Kenmare V Austin Stacks

Same As · 11-09-2020 9:15am

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Double package for the Mid Kerry V Crokes and Kenmare V Austin Stacks

Where are you seeing this? On 247.tv/gaa I only see a "Kerry Sunday Double package" which would cover the Kenmare vs Austin Stacks and Templenoe vs Kilcummin games. I don't see any package including the Mid Kerry vs Dr Crokes game.

Kerrydude1981 · 11-09-2020 9:17am

Same As wrote: »

Where are you seeing this? On 247.tv/gaa I only see a "Kerry Sunday Double package" which would cover the Kenmare vs Austin Stacks and Templenoe vs Kilcummin games. I don't see any package including the Mid Kerry vs Dr Crokes game.

Your right, I didnt see the Templenoe and Kilcummin game on the list

mystic86 · 11-09-2020 11:01am

cms88 wrote: »

Mid-Kerry/Crokes has been hiked to €10 for the 1 match. Game is also on TG4 so i don't see why they think people will now pay double to watch it on a stream that's already showed to be poor. I wonder will Leona make a comment?

My God the entitlement. The income streams are f*cked this year. It would cost you more to go to the game, and increasing fees later into a competition is not exactly unusual, and that's even if you are right, others above saying the 10 euro includes both games.

Don't pay it if you don't think it's worth the price.

Nobody owes you a comment, or anything else.

cms88 · 11-09-2020 3:39pm

mystic86 wrote: »

My God the entitlement. The income streams are f*cked this year. It would cost you more to go to the game, and increasing fees later into a competition is not exactly unusual, and that's even if you are right, others above saying the 10 euro includes both games.

Don't pay it if you don't think it's worth the price.

Nobody owes you a comment, or anything else.

I think it's you that needs to read what other people are say, that's for two different games.

As for ''entitlement'' i think it someone pays for something they're entitled for it to actually work ad if not to be given a refund for it.

Poor_old_gill · 11-09-2020 7:30pm

Brendans v East Kerry has been terrible.

Some amount of easy chances kicked wide & generally poor standard overall.
Hardly anyone on either team can kick a point from further than 20 yards out- standards are slipping

Poor_old_gill · 11-09-2020 7:50pm

Atrocious game of football, standard was terrible.
How did Brendans get to a semi final? They are very, very poor.

East Kerry looked very poor aswell and jeez Dara Moynihan shouldn’t be near a Kerry team

Diarmuid O Connor looks v good but there wasn’t much else that I would say looked inter county standard there

DDC1990 · 12-09-2020 7:22am

At least we didn't have to pay €10 for it.

Newtown90 · 12-09-2020 10:16am

Looked a shadow of the Brendans team that beat Legion...

Some of the wides were shocking.

Forge83 · 12-09-2020 10:35am

Newtown90 wrote: »

Looked a shadow of the Brendans team that beat Legion...

Some of the wides were shocking.

The East Kerry game plan stifled them completely. Simply put the East Kerry management got the better of the tactics and allowed them an easy win. As soon as it was obvious East Kerry had Parker under control they should have moved O Connor in, they left it way too late.

While the shooting was poor I thought there were some very good performances defensively, kick passing, running game etc. Jack Sherwood, Paudie Clifford and Mark Ryan stood out.

Any idea why Andrew Barry didn’t start? Looked very good when he came on.

Poor_old_gill · 12-09-2020 10:48am

I think you’re playing up the EK gameplan a bit too much, it was hardly their gameplan to give Brendans a load of score-able frees.

Luckily for them Brendans couldn’t convert many that were further than 14 yards out

EK were poor and Brendans were absolutely awful- hard to take any positive from that game

DDC1990 · 12-09-2020 11:28am

Parker is the Brendans Plan A, B and C.

He was stifled and they were toothless up front.

Not sure that Diarmuid inside was a good move at all. He's never played FF. The ball in was straight down the middle as well, so easy for Sherwood and Murphy to smother him.

Poor_old_gill · 12-09-2020 12:44pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Parker is the Brendans Plan A, B and C.

He was stifled and they were toothless up front.

Not sure that Diarmuid inside was a good move at all. He's never played FF. The ball in was straight down the middle as well, so easy for Sherwood and Murphy to smother him.

Parker was poor & has a real aversion to passing the ball.
Every time he got the ball EK players just descended upon him as they knew there wouldn’t be a lay off

DDC1990 · 12-09-2020 8:00pm

Opted against the €10 streaming fee for the Semi Final today.

Talk about missing out.

Radio Kerry had me feeling like I was there though.

Sounded like an epic.

Still don't regret not buying. The only way to ensure fair pricing for these streams is by paying when it's fair and sitting out when it isn't.

thesultan · 12-09-2020 8:20pm

Poor you, such robbery

DDC1990 · 13-09-2020 6:24pm

So Stacks are back to back Club Champions and Kilcummin are relegated after losing to Templenoe.

wonga77 · 14-09-2020 9:33am

Kilcummin back in with EK next year. There'll be talks of splitting them soon. In fairness there must be some very good players that cant even get on the panel as it is. Kenmare will be sick with that, they were seconds from winning it

dobman88 · 14-09-2020 9:44am

wonga77 wrote: »

Kilcummin back in with EK next year. There'll be talks of splitting them soon. In fairness there must be some very good players that cant even get on the panel as it is. Kenmare will be sick with that, they were seconds from winning it

Who would you have from Kilcummin besides Kevin McCarthy and Chris O Leary. Its not as big a deal as people make out imo. Brendan Kealy would be an alright back up keeper to have if he was interested I suppose. Possibility of losing Evan Cronin and Dara Moynihan if Spa win Intermediate so will have to see how that plays out too

keane2097 · 14-09-2020 10:10am

dobman88 wrote: »

Who would you have from Kilcummin besides Kevin McCarthy and Chris O Leary. Its not as big a deal as people make out imo. Brendan Kealy would be an alright back up keeper to have if he was interested I suppose. Possibility of losing Evan Cronin and Dara Moynihan if Spa win Intermediate so will have to see how that plays out too

So Kilcummin are a regular senior Championship club that are going to probably have 20 guys who play for them not good enough to get in the East Kerry panel - is that considered to be a reason why EK are not likely to become a problem? :pac:

D'Agger · 14-09-2020 10:12am

dobman88 wrote: »

Who would you have from Kilcummin besides Kevin McCarthy and Chris O Leary. Its not as big a deal as people make out imo. Brendan Kealy would be an alright back up keeper to have if he was interested I suppose. Possibility of losing Evan Cronin and Dara Moynihan if Spa win Intermediate so will have to see how that plays out too

Not to mention Dan O'Donoghue, Shane Cronin, Liam Kearney & Mike Foley

dobman88 · 14-09-2020 11:32am

keane2097 wrote: »

So Kilcummin are a regular senior Championship club that are going to probably have 20 guys who play for them not good enough to get in the East Kerry panel - is that considered to be a reason why EK are not likely to become a problem? :pac:

Its their 2nd relegation to intermediate in 4 years and they were blessed to survive last year. They're a good inter side who arent good enough for senior evidently. Still dont see how that's East Kerry's problem? Its akin to talk of splitting Dublin. Absolute nonsense.

keane2097 · 14-09-2020 2:53pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Its their 2nd relegation to intermediate in 4 years and they were blessed to survive last year. They're a good inter side who arent good enough for senior evidently. Still dont see how that's East Kerry's problem? Its akin to talk of splitting Dublin. Absolute nonsense.

It's not a problem for East Kerry in the least but your point about Kilcummin argues in the opposite direction to the one you intended. I don't give a fiddler's fart what they do about it. At least if East Kerry win it every year I won't have to worry about who else might.

Forge83 · 14-09-2020 4:55pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Its their 2nd relegation to intermediate in 4 years and they were blessed to survive last year. They're a good inter side who arent good enough for senior evidently. Still dont see how that's East Kerry's problem? Its akin to talk of splitting Dublin. Absolute nonsense.

It’s not the same though. East Kerry are neither a club or county. Divisional teams are there to give clubs who aren’t good enough to play senior championship players a chance. You could argue that East Kerry are at a point now where players who are good enough to play senior championship aren’t getting that chance. Along with their success at minor level it is evident that they should in some way be separated.

Bass Reeves · 14-09-2020 5:19pm

Forge83 wrote: »

It’s not the same though. East Kerry are neither a club or county. Divisional teams are there to give clubs who aren’t good enough to play senior championship players a chance. You could argue that East Kerry are at a point now where players who are good enough to play senior championship aren’t getting that chance. Along with their success at minor level it is evident that they should in some way be separated.

You cannot really make a case for that yet. Last year was there first championship in 10 years. There is five clubs with more CC titles than them and one district side South Kerry. Could you make the same case for Dr Crokes should they be split, they have won 8 titles since 2000. A

dobman88 · 14-09-2020 5:41pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You cannot really make a case for that yet. Last year was there first championship in 10 years. There is five clubs with more CC titles than them and one district side South Kerry. Could you make the same case for Dr Crokes should they be split, they have won 8 titles since 2000. A

This is articulated better than my potential response and makes the same point.

Also, nobody ever talks about splitting districts when they're losing regularly but after a few wins it rares its head. East Kerry are going through a purple patch and have got their underage house in order also and its paying dividends now. I think it's too early to start worrying yet.

Forge83 · 14-09-2020 6:09pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You cannot really make a case for that yet. Last year was there first championship in 10 years. There is five clubs with more CC titles than them and one district side South Kerry. Could you make the same case for Dr Crokes should they be split, they have won 8 titles since 2000. A

Again you are missing the point. Crokes are a club, East Kerry are a district so they are not comparable. Their district team solely exists to offer players a chance to play senior championship. That is the reasoning behind a district team playing in a county senior championship. I really don’t care who wins a county championship. My point is with the addition of Rathmore and now Kilcummin there are too many players who are good enough to be playing county championship who won’t be playing. It completely defeats the purpose of allowing district teams compete.

Bass Reeves · 14-09-2020 7:31pm

Forge83 wrote: »

Again you are missing the point. Crokes are a club, East Kerry are a district so they are not comparable. Their district team solely exists to offer players a chance to play senior championship. That is the reasoning behind a district team playing in a county senior championship. I really don’t care who wins a county championship. My point is with the addition of Rathmore and now Kilcummin there are too many players who are good enough to be playing county championship who won’t be playing. It completely defeats the purpose of allowing district teams compete.

Yes Crokes are a club but have the complete run of Killarney. People veer towards sucessful clubs, take Na Piarsaigh in Limerick having the run of the city and has created what is a super club. There is probably players with Crokes capable of playing championship with other teams but that is the way the cards fall. If East Kerry win this year it will be back to back titles for the first time in over 20 years for them. South Kerry have nine clubs. Since 2010 only three teams have broken the Crokes dominance, East Kerry last year, South Kerry in 2015 and Stacks in 2014. They have 5-6 county players at present, however how long will it be before one of the teams go senior again. Kenmare and Templenoe are both senior crippling Kenmare District. It unl,ikly taht both will still be senior in 5 years time

D'Agger · 15-09-2020 8:52am

Was there lots of talk of splitting South Kerry up between 04 & 09 when they contested 5 finals and won 4? I'm almost too young to remember :pac:

Lots of similarities between that team and this East Kerry one - most players are of similar age, came through school & county minor teams together. They've been playing football across division, school & county for the bones of ten years already so there's great cohesion in how they play.

There was mention earlier about how EK's game plan was being overstated and I don't agree - I think they looked well drilled, always an out ball or support player, it was rare to see EK caught in possession.

thesultan · 15-09-2020 11:05am

Was the semi final put online?

Same As · 15-09-2020 11:08am

thesultan wrote: »

Was the semi final put online?

It's on TG4 player.

Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

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