What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 12:32AM

actuar90 wrote: »

Finally got around to rewatching the Mulligan's japanese whiskey tasting.
Highly recommend the chita (a wine finished single grain) and the nikka coffey malt. The hibiki japanese harmony follows closely behind and might pick up a bottle of this based on the fantastic bottle.

It's a really pity that japanese whisky is so much more difficult to pick up or else so much more expensive here.

The Hibikis are gone outrageous!

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 12:38AM

Ive come to the realisation,that buying any whiskey to put awayong term is not going to happen here.Lifes too short.
I have a few middle of the road( €100 to €200) ,that I was going to keep for 5 or 10 years and maybe flip,but am going to open every single one of them in the comming few months.They were distilled to he drunk afterall.&#55357;&#56832;

Wailin · 12-09-2020 12:44AM

Balvenie 14 carribean cask followed by ardbeg 10 tonight. The ardbeg is typical classic islay, the balvenie is OK, not something I'd rush out and buy again.

Cazale · 12-09-2020 10:07AM

killbillvol2 wrote:

Â£250 for a 4yo whisky? What's the story there?

Thought that myself. They are going for the whole farm to bottle onsite angle and the limited amount of bottles they are producing. It's also the first Scottish Rye whisky in over 100 years. Not worth Â£250 but it's really nice stuff. I wish I had more than 50ml of it.

the beer revolu · 12-09-2020 12:32PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

£250 for a 4yo whisky? What's the story there?

We really need to get over the whole age = value idea.
Age is just one factor that makes up a bottle of whisky but going by common attritudes and comments on here, one would think that age is the only factor.
It seems you could put any old pish in a barrel, age it for 25 years and sell it for whatever you like but, conversely, you could put alcoholic angel's tears in a barrel for 3 years and most wouldn't clean their toilet with it!

Or to put it differently.
How can you comment on the value of a drink that you haven't tasted?

On another note, I've been in that distillery.
It's a massive shed with a distillery in it.
Was parked outside, looking for it and thought I'd see if there was anyone in the shed that might know where it is!

killbillvol2 · 12-09-2020 01:23PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

We really need to get over the whole age = value idea.
Age is just one factor that makes up a bottle of whisky but going by common attributes and comments on here, one would think that age is the only factor.
It seems you could put any old pish in a barrel, age it for 25 years and sell it for whatever you like but, conversely, you could put alcoholic angel's tears in a barrel for 3 years and most wouldn't clean their toilet with it!

Or to put it differently.
How can you comment on the value of a drink that you haven't tasted?

On another note, I've been in that distillery.
It's a massive shed with a distillery in it.
Was parked outside, looking for it and thought I'd see if there was anyone in the shed that might know where it is!

That's why I asked a question. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.

the beer revolu · 12-09-2020 02:18PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

That's why I asked a question. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.

I won't, thanks.

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 06:53PM

Wailin wrote: »

Balvenie 14 carribean cask followed by ardbeg 10 tonight. The ardbeg is typical classic islay, the balvenie is OK, not something I'd rush out and buy again.

Have you had any other of the Balvenies/
When you say it was ok, what was it you weren't too keen on.

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 07:03PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I won't, thanks.

Must reconsider reading this thread.Surely everyones personal choice and view should be respected, and why would we need to get away from the idea that age is value?

When a whiskey is as young as 4 years old, then its a logical question to pose.
Yes, 10 and 12 year olds have been given a significant amount of time to mature , and at the same time taking notes from the barrel.

To make a stupid analogy, it's like a barman pouring a pint straight,(in those days when we could get a pint) instead of leaving it settle for a while.
Will it taste off? No.
Is it right , hell no.
But yet we do it.
I prefer my whiskey to be age statements when possible, and I'm not a whiskey snob, but at least I know what I'm getting for my dosh

L1011 · 12-09-2020 07:06PM

That's a shockingly bad comparison really.

The two-part pour was invented by Guinness Ltd marketing to try figure out a way to make a draught pint take somewhere close to the length of time the old two-cask system actually took to pour.

It doesn't affect the flavour. Decades of expensive marketing has drummed in to every Guinness aficionado that it does, though; and now people who see a single pour prime themselves to "know" they're getting a "bad pint".

If Guinness told people tomorrow it wasn't needed nobody would want it anymore.

See also - people demanding Guinness in the "proper glass", which usually means the shape it was when they started drinking Guinness. Guinness branded glasses have been every shape and style under the sun.

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 07:28PM

L1011 wrote: »

That's a shockingly bad comparison really.

The two-part pour was invented by Guinness Ltd marketing to try figure out a way to make a draught pint take somewhere close to the length of time the old two-cask system actually took to pour.

It doesn't affect the flavour. Decades of expensive marketing has drummed in to every Guinness aficionado that it does, though; and now people who see a single pour prime themselves to "know" they're getting a "bad pint".

If Guinness told people tomorrow it wasn't needed nobody would want it anymore.

See also - people demanding Guinness in the "proper glass", which usually means the shape it was when they started drinking Guinness. Guinness branded glasses have been every shape and style under the sun.

Fair enough.(I did point out it was a stupid analogy)

For what its worth, my viewpoint is that age = value, and the older the whiskey is, the more quality spirit I'm getting.I'm not the one paying a crazy price for a 4 year old whiskey, and never will.

killbillvol2 · 12-09-2020 07:43PM

newbie runner wrote: »

For what its worth, my viewpoint is that age = value, and the older the whiskey is, the more quality spirit I'm getting.

That's total BS in fairness.

As the other poster pointed out, aging p1ss for 10 years won't produce a quality spirit. He just had to be a pr1ck about it.

I had asked about the particular whisky as I assumed there was a backstory to justify the price. Which there was.

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 07:46PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

That's total BS in fairness.

As the other poster pointed out, aging p1ss for 10 years won't produce a quality spirit. He just had to be a pr1ck about it.

I had asked about the particular whisky as I assumed there was a backstory to justify the price. Which there was.

That's fine so. All good.
Back to having a whiskey, and discussing what one is drinking this week.

killbillvol2 · 12-09-2020 07:52PM

newbie runner wrote: »

That's fine so. All good.
Back to having a whiskey, and discussing what one is drinking this week.

In the interest of balance I'm having a drop of Waterford (less than 4 years old) while watching the rugby. I'll have something older later.

Cheers.

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 07:55PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

In the interest of balance I'm having a drop of Waterford (less than 4 years old) while watching the rugby. I'll have something older later.

Cheers.

Very little Irish Whiskey unfortunately in the cabinet tonight, so its a Port Charlotte 10 for me right now(with rugby also as it happens)

L1011 · 12-09-2020 08:19PM

Used O'Briens sale to replenish the Green Spot two weeks ago, might actually open it this evening. Went looking for a francier-but-not-premium dram a while back and found that the cupboard had basically just premium (Bush 16, Jameson 18, Yellow Spot) and conventional (Bushmills, Powers Gold) in it; other than the remains of a bottle of Writers Tears.

Which is now empty!

Wailin · 12-09-2020 08:34PM

newbie runner wrote: »

Have you had any other of the Balvenies/
When you say it was ok, what was it you weren't too keen on.

Don't get me wrong, it's a quality whisky. I'm happy I got a bottle but I'll leave it at that. It's not one I'd be coming back to as I feel it doesn't offer anything too different from other single malts, despite the rum finish which does add some nice sweetness. Lovely nose on it but the taste just doesn't match.

Cazale · 12-09-2020 08:54PM

After all the talk of Knappogue Castle recently here I thought I'd give their core range a go. Have a very special one lined up for tomorrow night

newbie runner · 12-09-2020 10:07PM

For anyone interested in Waterford Whiskey, a good live stream on Youtube at the moment that they are featured in, and discussing the story.Really interesting so far.

Whiskey Tribe BASTARD'S BALL 2020 (live stream)

EagererBeaver · 13-09-2020 02:32AM

First kid born tonight. By my count, I'm entitled up expect three bottles of Middleton and a Hakushu 12.

If I get one of the Midleton and a bottle of Bushmills I'll be doing well.

Felexicon · 13-09-2020 08:28AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

First kid born tonight. By my count, I'm entitled up expect three bottles of Middleton and a Hakushu 12.

If I get one of the Midleton and a bottle of Bushmills I'll be doing well.

Congratulations. Best job in the world!

Cazale · 13-09-2020 11:14AM

EagererBeaver wrote:

First kid born tonight. By my count, I'm entitled up expect three bottles of Middleton and a Hakushu 12.

Congratulations!

sceach16 · 13-09-2020 11:24AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

First kid born tonight. By my count, I'm entitled up expect three bottles of Middleton and a Hakushu 12.

If I get one of the Midleton and a bottle of Bushmills I'll be doing well.

You have just started a long and expensive learning experience. You are required to provide at least 21 bottles of Midleton. Enjoy the (relatively) inexpensive phase !

But Congratulations and best to all three.

RasTa · 13-09-2020 12:39PM

Yeah, why is a 4 year old whiskey £250? What's gone into it to make it that expensive.

See the reasoning above, you'd be foolish buying that. Seems like it's from a gin/vodka marketing company.

Black Sheep · 13-09-2020 03:12PM

I have somehow ended up with a glut of Redbreast, which is not even a whisky that I particularly am a fanboy of anymore.

I have two bottles of 12 year old and a bottle of 15 year old.

Anyway, last night I discover that I am out of gin, and am mid way through making a negroni. Now, habitually I mix things up and sub bourbon for the gin, making the negroni a boulevardier, but on this occasion... I chucked in the Redbreast 12 year old. It transpires that the resulting drink is vastly more similar to what a negroni tastes like than what a boulevardier tastes like.

I only bring this up as it might be a good follow on from the 250 quid 4-year old ....

Is it a waste of 12 year old? In monetary terms probably yes, but ... It's not always about what is the most efficient use of your money. There's expediency, there's whimsy, there's a host of reasons people might spend their money or use their possessions in ways that mystify the person who always has an eye on the bottom line. Relevant to that 4 year old Scottish rye too.

L1011 · 13-09-2020 04:10PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

First kid born tonight. By my count, I'm entitled up expect three bottles of Middleton and a Hakushu 12.

If I get one of the Midleton and a bottle of Bushmills I'll be doing well.

Congratulations

In ~2030, look out for not too pricey 10 year old (or 2028 for 8, 2035 for 15, whatever) dated bottlings to dig out for the 18th and 21st. If it turns out they don't appreciate whiskey, you can just down them yourself :pac:

Dont be at yourself · 13-09-2020 04:10PM

It’s always a moment of real anxiety when I’m in the mood for a hot whiskey and don’t want to use the good stuff.

Thankfully was gifted some Proper 12 a while ago so I’ve been able to use that guilt-free!

L1011 · 13-09-2020 04:14PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

It’s always a moment of real anxiety when I’m in the mood for a hot whiskey and don’t want to use the good stuff.

Thankfully was gifted some Proper 12 a while ago so I’ve been able to use that guilt-free!

Dying of a cold a while ago I instructed my partner to procure me a hot whiskey.

"Use the Powers" got interpreted as "use the Powers Johns Lane 12" :eek:

killbillvol2 · 13-09-2020 04:17PM

L1011 wrote: »

Dying of a cold a while ago I instructed my partner to procure me a hot whiskey.

"Use the Powers" got interpreted as "use the Powers Johns Lane 12" :eek:

Grounds for a break up surely?

RasTa · 13-09-2020 04:17PM

L1011 wrote: »

Congratulations

In ~2030, look out for not too pricey 10 year old (or 2028 for 8, 2035 for 15, whatever) dated bottlings to dig out for the 18th and 21st. If it turns out they don't appreciate whiskey, you can just down them yourself :pac:

Feck that, treat yourself to a cask!

https://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/Whiskey-Casks

Total cost for a 20-year-old single pot still finished in a sherry cask (17 years from purchase)

Initial cask investment is €3995

Storage, yearly sample & insurance for 20 years is €2040

Sherry cask & transfer is €600

Disgorgement, bottling, dry goods is €1069

Total cost €7704.00

Approx 188 bottles at 52%, would work out at €40.97 ex-vat, ex-duty per bottle.

At today’s duty rate of €42.57 LPA you would pay duty of €15.50 per bottle. A further €12.98 vat at today’s rate of 23% would also need to be paid.

Final price would be €69.45 per bottle

Bargain...

What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

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