Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

polesheep wrote: »

A quote from that piece: "At a press conference yesterday evening, Thursday 2 April, Dr Holohan urged people to attend hospital if they were feeling unwell, as "the hospitals are there for all ailments".

You do not attend hospital if you are feeling unwell, you attend your GP. I have no doubt that when he made that comment Dr Holohan knew full well that GPs were not seeing patients. What's more, hospitals were triaging patients at the front door and only allowing those who were severly ill, as distinct from 'unwell' to proceed to A&E. It was disingenuous on the part of Holohan and the government and I posted so at the time.

Doctors were absolutely not told not to see patients at that time that’s absolute nonsense. Show me where the HSE instructed GPs to not treat all non Covid patients. I suppose you’re another who prefers fantasy to reality. You’ll fit in well in this thread.

Double O Seven wrote: »

What about when the far left were protesting ? No social distancing either... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/5499240/jedward-protest-hollywood-black-lives-matter/amp/

When I read New Era’s post about ‘the far right’, the BLM protests, in Dublin of all places, came to mind!

I wonder is New Era one of these members of society that sees the world through RTE & co when they report from the ‘largely peaceful demonstrations’ yet talk about near war zone like scenes and behaviours during ‘far right protests’?

It’s easier to fool people, New Era, than convince them they’ve been fooled.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is incredibly evident with the restriction defender's on this thread.

Determined not to accept they bought into a pig in a bag

Seeing the country being flushed down the toilet is a more palatable option than admitting they were wrong.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Seeing the country being flushed down the toilet is a more palatable option than admitting they were wrong.

Who was 'wrong' and what were they 'wrong' about?

PowerToWait wrote: »

I'm genuinely curious, have you a solid theory as to why almost every government on Earth has imposed, and, in a great many instances, continues to impose; restrictions, regional / local lockdowns, border closures, mandatory quarantining, massive testing programs?

Who stands to gain? What do they gain? Do you believe none of the restrictions etc were necessary or just that they are no longer necessary?

And of course why the unprecedented, gigantic effort to develop a vaccine for what I presume you think is a fairly harmless disease?

Dr Martin Feeley said it best in his piece in the IT.

The pension and salaries of those imposing the restrictions will be safe, not so for everyones business suffering due to the restrictions.

Also as another poster has alluded to a Covid death is a PC death.

The fact cancer deaths due to the cancellation of treatment's and screenings will rapidly pass out the Covid death toll is irrelevant.

Gael23 wrote: »

It is the case that GPS are nit seeing patients. I have a number of long term conditions and this reality is going to land me in A&E sometime before this ends

GP's are seeing patients and there was never a time during any of this where they were told that they couldn't.

The absolute nonsense continues unabated in this thread.

Arghus wrote: »

GP's are seeing patients and there was never a time during any of this where they were told that they couldn't.

The absolute nonsense continues unabated in this thread.

A phone call is all you'll get in many cases

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Dr Martin Feeley said it best in his piece in the IT.

The pension and salaries of those imposing the restrictions will be safe, not so for everyones business suffering due to the restrictions.

Also as another poster has alluded to a Covid death is a PC death.

The fact cancer deaths due to the cancellation of treatment's and screenings will rapidly pass out the Covid death toll is irrelevant.

I know a few elderly that were cut from chemo for various "reasons"(I suspect the real reason is covid). it was reported Cancer treatments are now operating at a fraction of pre covid levels and due to this and lack of screening this will obviously lead to more deaths. Staff are wandering about empty hospitals with reduced rather then increased capacity from what I can see too(spaced out beds).

What really annoys me is the deaths above will be used to justify restrictions, In that say in a normal year the death rate is 100(per whatever pop) and this year there 70 covid deaths and 80 non covid deaths leaving a death rate of 150 (i.e covid caused excess death we had to "save" lives by using restriction) but say if 50 of the non covid were caused by the non timely treatment of serious conditions we're just really pissing in the wind

Pre COVID we didn’t have enough beds.
No we have empty beds but somehow the country got healthier?

I’m lucky as I got to keep my job. Many other are going to suffer.

500 Flu deaths
9,000 cancer deaths
Mismanagement in the old folks home
Confirming cases based on symptoms alone.

Governments globally are inept. Anything they do is to maintain their parties power.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fake news, you say. The most immature tripe I've heard as a response

Sorry for calling you out on it.

I suppose I could just call it made up nonsense if I was being more technical.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep definitely.

Unfortunately for me and many others like me, I am going to be made redundant next month with a heavily pregnant wife. Covid listed as 1 of the reasons for the redundancy. (IT sector)

And I don’t even qualify for PUP payment since redundancy will take place after mid September and government can no longer afford to pay it.

I have a mortgage and bills to be paid.

But we are in this together... Right??? I should just focus on suppressing the virus for a few months and everything will be grand...

Meanwhile I have friends in the public sector earning a full time wage for part time hours. They love lockdown..

That's tough, really hope all goes ok. I hope you can find some new opportunity soon. "One man's loss is another man's gain".

Arghus wrote: »

If Phone consultation wasn't possible you'd be seen by the GP. Simple as that. I knew piles of people who went to the GP during all this - including my own mother, who went for a routine blood check and a neighbour who suffered from some sort of insect bite - neither were life threatening emergencies.

Absolute fake news to say appointments at GP's weren't happening.

Depends on the practice, cant get a routine blood check at our local practice.

AUDI20 wrote: »

Its not fake news where I live, I have have 3 appointments with my GP since may and my Wife has had two. Just ring up the reception and we got our appointments. know of many more who have done the same. all for minor ailments like blood pressure, Cuts, etc.

Have to agree, whilst my surgery is Telephone only, reception don't make appointments, instead they take details and Gp"s call back, they assess the need for a physical appointment and decide accordingly, they certainly don't refuse one but obviously have to prioritise. GP"s will I presume have their patients medical history etc, in my own case I have to get bloods done every 3 months, the practice nurse takes care of this and that's an appointment reception do. Gp calls back if any concerns etc & I've actually had to direct appointments with my GP since April based on blood results and another non related leg issue, again followed from Telephone consultation.