FF/FG/Green Next Government

Brendan Bendar · 09-09-2020 04:47PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

Unfortunately Truth, they do have ideas.........

Mostly involved in scuttling the state, screwing those who provide employment, promoting the non triers and lifers over those who get up early and pay their way.

Then when the money runs out and nobody will lend to us anymore these bellicose bushmen will melt int to distance and ‘Someone Else’ will have to dig the country out of a deep pit.

Be very aware of these folk, they will sell the family silver and sit back in the big six bedroomers in Donegal laughing at those who try to support themselves.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 04:48PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Brendan Bendar · 09-09-2020 04:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

He should leave that Cullinane, Mr F.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 04:51PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He should leave that Cullinane, Mr F.

That makes no sense Brendi.

dundalkfc10 · 09-09-2020 05:08PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

Mr Harris is not in SF

Truthvader · 09-09-2020 05:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Ridiculous?? as the man claims that FG "took their lead from SF". Beyond humour.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 06:03PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Ridiculous?? as the man claims that FG "took their lead from SF". Beyond humour.

Enda vehemently ruled out special status for NI and after Dáil debates where SF spoke strongly on the subject FG changed there position. Guy Verhofstad even said that SF changed his mind due to the strength of their lobbying.

Tough for you to accept but that, as they say, is your problem.

Floppybits · 09-09-2020 07:34PM

Bowie wrote: »

Seemed to me MM and LV wanted Hogan gone. 'the mobs' are an excuse. They've brazened out worse for less capable people. I think they used him to take the pressure off themselves. A sacrificial lamb, albeit an arrogant unpopular one.

He was an easy target considering how unpopular he is. Woulfe should have been the target. I wonder if MM and LV sacrificed Phil to save Woulfe?

James Brown · 09-09-2020 09:29PM

Floppybits wrote: »

He was an easy target considering how unpopular he is. Woulfe should have been the target. I wonder if MM and LV sacrificed Phil to save Woulfe?

Woulfe is Varadkar's man, he appointed him. He advised LV and was an active FG'er.

blanch152 · 09-09-2020 09:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Love your comedy posts, when you go full on Iraqi propaganda minister type.

Hawthorn Tree · 09-09-2020 10:12PM

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1303426604216078336?s=19

It is satisfying to watch Hogan chewing lemons over his recent disgrace. Despite all the arrogance and dishonesty he is still singing the 'Do they know who I am' line to the Kilkenny People. He was never truly sorry for his actions and web of lies.

As he said in the interview in relation to the Garda who caught him on the mobile.

‘If they knew I was a European Commissioner or a politician, they wouldn’t be stopping me.’

Phil is just astounded that the establishment didn't turn a blind eye to his antics. They always did in the past.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 08:29AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Love your comedy posts, when you go full on Iraqi propaganda minister type.

The EU's original position...persuaded otherwise by lobbying.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/european-parliament-rejects-special-status-for-northern-ireland-1.3144414

The DUP and FG voted AGAINST it.
Evidence of the original FG position (as late as 2017), they have since been persuaded otherwise.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/charlie-flanagan-cautions-on-seeking-brexit-special-status-in-eu-1.2977126

No comedy blanch just the FACTUAL history of Fine Gael's position laid bare and the claim I made backed up.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 09:01AM

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Mary Lou McDonald wrote:

It is absolutely staggering that it is taking the Taoiseach 3 days to pick up the phone to the British Prime Minister following the announcement that Britain intends to breach international law on the Irish Protocol?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 09:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Typical of Sinn Fein, wanting to shoot their mouths off (and anything else) without carefully considering the consequences. We don't need to do anything, the EU will slap them down and we can smile in the background, a much better way to show power, rather than shouting "Hold me back" like a drunken thug.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0910/1164329-ecj-brexit/

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FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 10:10AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Typical of Sinn Fein, wanting to shoot their mouths off (and anything else) without carefully considering the consequences. We don't need to do anything, the EU will slap them down and we can smile in the background, a much better way to show power, rather than shouting "Hold me back" like a drunken thug.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0910/1164329-ecj-brexit/

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Where would we be if Enda had been allowed to carry on with his simpering, not wanting to offend strategy and if the DUP/FG alliance in the EU parliament had not been challenged?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 10:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where would we be if Enda had been allowed to carry on with his simpering, not wanting to offend strategy and if the DUP/FG alliance in the EU parliament had not been challenged?

What an ill-informed post rewriting history.

The Irish government, with the support of the EU, set out to secure the best deal for Ireland which was the UK remaining in the Customs Union and the Single Market. It was only after those aims became unachievable that they lowered their sights and ambitions to a level where Sinn Fein had been sitting all the time - special status for Northern Ireland. Let there be no mistake, the situation we are in is far worse than where the government set out to achieve. I am disappointed with the outcome for those reasons.

That you and others are cheering at Irish people being worse off because you believe it somehow increases the chances of unification says it all about the republican and Sinn Fein mentality. Cheerleading the special status for Northern Ireland when we failed to keep the UK in the SM and CU is like a Monaghan fan opening champagne for finishing second from bottom of the First Division of the NFL and still getting relegated.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 10:54AM

blanch152 wrote: »

What an ill-informed post rewriting history.

The Irish government, with the support of the EU, set out to secure the best deal for Ireland which was the UK remaining in the Customs Union and the Single Market. It was only after those aims became unachievable that they lowered their sights and ambitions to a level where Sinn Fein had been sitting all the time - special status for Northern Ireland. Let there be no mistake, the situation we are in is far worse than where the government set out to achieve. I am disappointed with the outcome for those reasons.

That you and others are cheering at Irish people being worse off because you believe it somehow increases the chances of unification says it all about the republican and Sinn Fein mentality. Cheerleading the special status for Northern Ireland when we failed to keep the UK in the SM and CU is like a Monaghan fan opening champagne for finishing second from bottom of the First Division of the NFL and still getting relegated.

Wow...what a rewrite of history giving the EU and Enda a role in the UK's affairs?

This is as hilarious a rewrite as I have ever seen.

FG's approach from the start should have been to point out strongly and adamantly to those considering Brexit what was ahead for them if they DIDN'T consider NI and the GFA.

That was a mistake Brexiteers were allowed to make wthout a peep out of the FGers.
They were busy allying themselves to the DUP in the EU parliament.

markodaly · 10-09-2020 10:58AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

She is an odious woman. I can't stand her. And the so-called "EU" is illegal and treasonous and must be disbanded.

Oh please, go on... :pac:

Truthvader · 10-09-2020 11:03AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Because if Mary Lou was in charge she'd ring Boris and .......... and .........and - anyway she'd be really really cross .....

I'd say Boris wouldn't even take a call from her

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 11:04AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wow...what a rewrite of history giving the EU and Enda a role in the UK's affairs?

This is as hilarious a rewrite as I have ever seen.

FG's approach from the start should have been to point out strongly and adamantly to those considering Brexit what was ahead for them if they DIDN'T consider NI and the GFA.

That was a mistake Brexiteers were allowed to make wthout a peep out of the FGers.
They were busy allying themselves to the DUP in the EU parliament.

Comical Ali can't hold a torch to that post.

Sinn Fein, from the outset, looked for a lesser outcome for this island, their lack of ambition clear, all for notions of some dream of unification, putting that first before the prosperity of ordinary people. It was no surprise given the way they have behaved in Northern Ireland for the last 50 years.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 11:09AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Comical Ali can't hold a torch to that post.

Sinn Fein, from the outset, looked for a lesser outcome for this island, their lack of ambition clear, all for notions of some dream of unification, putting that first before the prosperity of ordinary people. It was no surprise given the way they have behaved in Northern Ireland for the last 50 years.

You haven't explained why FG sided with the DUP blanch AFTER the UK had decided to leave.

They as the government should have been making absolutely clear to the DUP and the UK what the consequences were...not pussyfooting around as they did.

As MLMD says it is small wonder that the UK continue to think they can use us as pawns if we engage in this simpering hat doffing approach.

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 11:15AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The EU's original position...persuaded otherwise by lobbying.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/european-parliament-rejects-special-status-for-northern-ireland-1.3144414

The DUP and FG voted AGAINST it.
Evidence of the original FG position (as late as 2017), they have since been persuaded otherwise.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/charlie-flanagan-cautions-on-seeking-brexit-special-status-in-eu-1.2977126

No comedy blanch just the FACTUAL history of Fine Gael's position laid bare and the claim I made backed up.

Ultimately, that vote weakened the hand of the EU negotiators. It gave the British strong belief that there was enough support within the EU for them to be able to do a deal where they stayed outside the CU and SM. A betrayal from within by SF. Surrendering and looking for a worse outcome before the negotiations had even got going. A cowardly supine approach by SF.

smurgen · 10-09-2020 11:23AM

This is car crash stuff.

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1304012665438773250?s=19

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 12:23PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Ultimately, that vote weakened the hand of the EU negotiators. It gave the British strong belief that there was enough support within the EU for them to be able to do a deal where they stayed outside the CU and SM. A betrayal from within by SF. Surrendering and looking for a worse outcome before the negotiations had even got going. A cowardly supine approach by SF.

:D:D:D

Fabulous. You should consider writing fantasy fiction.

SO that explains why FG sided with the DUP in the EU.

:D

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 12:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D:D

Fabulous. You should consider writing fantasy fiction.

SO that explains why FG sided with the DUP in the EU. :D

As usual, you run out of answers.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 12:45PM

blanch152 wrote: »

As usual, you run out of answers.

Why do FG side with the DUP? Simple question Francie asked

Hawthorn Tree · 10-09-2020 12:47PM

smurgen wrote: »

This is car crash stuff.

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1304012665438773250?s=19

Wow. A 3rd Minister for Agriculture in the firing line. This time it wasn't breaking the law, it's not knowing his brief. Who is charge of communications in this government?

Min for Agriculture said yesterday testing has begun, but we know tests have already been cancelled

smurgen · 10-09-2020 01:06PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Wow. A 3rd Minister for Agriculture in the firing line. This time it wasn't breaking the law, it's not knowing his brief. Who is charge of communications in this government?

Yep he said it had begun yesterday.
It's like a Royal Rumble in that department.

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1303628847456432130?s=19

Hawthorn Tree · 10-09-2020 01:29PM

smurgen wrote: »

Yep he said it had begun yesterday.
It's like a Royal Rumble in that department.

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1303628847456432130?s=19

Has anyone told him he is the new minister for Agriculture?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 01:44PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0910/1164383-pandemic-unemployment-payment/

Well, well, well, it seems that another ball of smoke made up by the opposition has turned out to be little or nothing.

Firstly, the airport checks on PUP saved the State €10m, so hats off to the social welfare inspectors on a job well done (unless you are of the mindset that social welfare fraud is a good thing).

Secondly, the airport checks weren't anything new at all, having been going on since 2012.

"The minister also noted that inspectors have carried out control checks at airports and ports since 2012, saying the inspection work being done in recent months was therefore part of the ongoing control work that the department is engaged in."

Maybe some of the empty vessels who were making the most noise on this will soften their cough a little the next time the bile rises.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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