Is there a D4 in Waterford

Snorlaxx · 08-09-2020 9:14pm #1

Was watching MorningAM this AM and Paul Howard was on it. He was giving a synopsis of his new book and said that every city has a D4. Cork has a C4 - Douglas etc.

So whats Waterfords D4(W4)? Ardkeen? Williamstown etc?

91wx763 · 08-09-2020 9:15pm

Snorlaxx wrote: »

Was watching MorningAM this AM and Paul Howard was on it. He was giving a synopsis of his new book and said that every city has a D4. Cork has a C4 - Douglas etc.

So whats Waterfords D4(W4)? Ardkeen? Williamstown etc?

Definitely Ballybeg.

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2020 9:25pm

91wx763 wrote:

Definitely Ballybeg.

Its just d, the 4 was robbed!

Wanderer2010 · 08-09-2020 9:26pm

Kings Channel, any of the houses near Saint Annes tennis club and Dunmore East tends to have much of the posher element of the city.

hardybuck · 08-09-2020 9:38pm

Snorlaxx wrote: »

Was watching MorningAM this AM and Paul Howard was on it. He was giving a synopsis of his new book and said that every city has a D4. Cork has a C4 - Douglas etc.

So whats Waterfords D4(W4)? Ardkeen? Williamstown etc?

Thing about D4 is that it's close to town and an old established area. For that reason I'd always put the area around Newtown/Summerville Avenue/parts of the Passage Road and then up to the tennis club as W4. It's an awful wannabe term but Howard has a point.

I wouldn't put the area around Ardkeen or Williamstown in the same bracket.

dzilla · 08-09-2020 11:17pm

WD4

smellyoldboot · 08-09-2020 11:20pm

91wx763 wrote: »

Definitely Ballybeg.

All of Waterford is just different shades of Ballybeg in fairness. It's what's makes the Dunmore Rd snobs (not all residents of the area, keep the knickers untwisted) so awkwardly hiliarious.

Harry Palmr · 08-09-2020 11:24pm

All Waterford is not shades of Ballybeg!

Go from the traffic lights junction at Passage Road to Dunmore Road and then swing round left as far as Newtown School lights. The Dunmore Road on the right side as you go to first Ardkeen roundabout has some nice properties as well. All very settled with high prices and easily the best looking homes in the city. All of which probably cost of fortune to heat!

Dum_Dum · 08-09-2020 11:30pm

No place in the City has ever stood out for me. I've never thought - "I'd really like to live in such a place". Lots of rural East Waterford can be ugly too - McMansions and other one-off housing, ugly building materials, tatty disjointed roadscapes.

Harry Palmr · 08-09-2020 11:41pm

Saint Andrew's Terrace on Newtown Road is a fine example of it's type. Just a pity that most of the properties are now businesses and flats

bb1234567 · 08-09-2020 11:43pm

Is ardkeen considered posh in Waterford?? My mother is from Ardkeen and while it is fine it would never would have struck me as posh or anything to write home about it by any stretch. Overall Waterford is a small city and does not feel very wealthy in any parts, I don't think a city necessarily has to have a d4 bit

Harry Palmr · 08-09-2020 11:53pm

Proper Ardkeen is actually mainly commercial with a few fairly average housing estates "round the back" (the Bromleys, Appians, Eskers roads) and blocks of flats. Places like Leoville and Viewmount either side are not in Ardkeen.

mooseknunkle · 08-09-2020 11:56pm

Dum_Dum wrote: »

No place in the City has ever stood out for me. I've never thought - "I'd really like to live in such a place". Lots of rural East Waterford can be ugly too - McMansions and other one-off housing, ugly building materials, tatty disjointed roadscapes.

There is loads of beautiful properties in the city,you just can't see them from the road they are all walled in,go along Newtown Rd and all those houses on the left overlooking the river ,same down by the castle.

Xtrail14 · 08-09-2020 11:57pm

All fur coat and no knickers by alot in the city.

smellyoldboot · 09-09-2020 12:03am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

All Waterford is not shades of Ballybeg!

Ah it is Ted in fairness. Some have a bigger house that is not owned by the council and can put on an accent that sounds almost acceptable, but to outsiders it's still akin to a traveller trying to speak French...

hardybuck · 09-09-2020 12:07am

bb1234567 wrote: »

Is ardkeen considered posh in Waterford?? My mother is from Ardkeen and while it is fine it would never would have struck me as posh or anything to write home about it by any stretch. Overall Waterford is a small city and does not feel very wealthy in any parts, I don't think a city necessarily has to have a d4 bit

No it wouldn't be.

hardybuck · 09-09-2020 12:14am

Dum_Dum wrote: »

No place in the City has ever stood out for me. I've never thought - "I'd really like to live in such a place". Lots of rural East Waterford can be ugly too - McMansions and other one-off housing, ugly building materials, tatty disjointed roadscapes.

Would agree that there's a lot of 'niveau riche' development in Waterford, but disagree that there aren't pockets of very desirable period property in places around Newtown in particular.

Unfortunately a lot of Georgian era property was left to rot. Areas around the Mall being a good example.

No offence to anyone who might be living there, but the McMansions in places like Ballinamona are utter tack. That's one area that's aged very poorly, and might reflect the standard of architects in the town.

enniscorthy · 09-09-2020 3:25pm

any update on liz reddy getting sacked regards brian

bullpost · 09-09-2020 5:22pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Would agree that there's a lot of 'niveau riche' development in Waterford, but disagree that there aren't pockets of very desirable period property in places around Newtown in particular.

Unfortunately a lot of Georgian era property was left to rot. Areas around the Mall being a good example.

No offence to anyone who might be living there, but the McMansions in places like Ballinamona are utter tack. That's one area that's aged very poorly, and might reflect the standard of architects in the town.

Newtown - Old money.

Motivator · 10-09-2020 12:12am

Fur coat, no knickers can be applied to the majority of estates on the Dunmore Rd. Before Covid, I used to walk around Ardkeen Stores on a Saturday to give myself a laugh. I’ve witnessed some really high end douchebaggery out there. The kids fresh from Rugby training traipsing after Mum while she picks up a quiche for lunch. Mum, in her active wear and oversized sunglasses, loudly scolding kids for wanting a chicken roll instead of quiche. No says Mum, a light lunch is all we’re having because Dad has a table booked in the Strand this evening.

*****.

Rustyman101 · 10-09-2020 7:33am

ah tis yourself Marian Keyes! nice story......

Max Powers · 10-09-2020 8:26am

Motivator wrote: »

Fur coat, no knickers can be applied to the majority of estates on the Dunmore Rd. Before Covid, I used to walk around Ardkeen Stores on a Saturday to give myself a laugh. I’ve witnessed some really high end douchebaggery out there. The kids fresh from Rugby training traipsing after Mum while she picks up a quiche for lunch. Mum, in her active wear and oversized sunglasses, loudly scolding kids for wanting a chicken roll instead of quiche. No says Mum, a light lunch is all we’re having because Dad has a table booked in the Strand this evening.

*****.

That comes across like some a load of small mindedness, jealousy even. You need to open your mind a bit if quiche and rugby are evidence of some sort of negative trait.

hardybuck · 10-09-2020 9:12am

Motivator wrote: »

Fur coat, no knickers can be applied to the majority of estates on the Dunmore Rd. Before Covid, I used to walk around Ardkeen Stores on a Saturday to give myself a laugh. I’ve witnessed some really high end douchebaggery out there. The kids fresh from Rugby training traipsing after Mum while she picks up a quiche for lunch. Mum, in her active wear and oversized sunglasses, loudly scolding kids for wanting a chicken roll instead of quiche. No says Mum, a light lunch is all we’re having because Dad has a table booked in the Strand this evening.

*****.

Meanwhile, in the zoo like atmosphere of the Lisduggan shopping centre, Ardkeen mum's counterpart, also in her active wear but sans sunglasses, has collected her dole and single parent allowance and has the shopping trolley filled with the weekly shop which consists of frozen pizzas and vodka.

Lisduggan mum loudly scolds her offspring for wanting a chipper for dinner instead of the Chinese that Dad has promised to bring home on his way back from the pub.

Stereotypes are so much fun aren't they?

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 9:13am

Max Powers wrote: »

That comes across like some a load of small mindedness, jealousy even. You need to open your mind a bit if quiche and rugby are evidence of some sort of negative trait.

i must take up rugby so, im kinna fond of quiche

Max Powers · 10-09-2020 9:22am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i must take up rugby so, im kinna fond of quiche

I love a bit of quiche too, sometimes I have some salad with it, is the salad posh, if I had salad dressing on the salad, does that mean I'm kind of posh/stuck up? In fairness. It's not heinz salad dressing, it's a locally made viniagrette....I've just realised, i must be an awful person with that viniagrette but I'm not so much a fan of rugby, can I offset that against the viniagrette.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 9:23am

Max Powers wrote: »

I love a bit of quiche too, sometimes I have some salad with it, is the salad posh, if I had salad dressing on the salad, does that mean I'm kind of posh/stuck up? In fairness. It's not heinz salad dressing, it's a locally made viniagrette....I've just realised, i must be an awful person with that viniagrette but I'm not so much a fan of rugby, can I offset that against the viniagrette.

i could never mix with you, just too posh, sorry!

hardybuck · 10-09-2020 9:25am

Max Powers wrote: »

I love a bit of quiche too, sometimes I have some salad with it, is the salad posh, if I had salad dressing on the salad, does that mean I'm kind of posh/stuck up? In fairness. It's not heinz salad dressing, it's a locally made viniagrette....I've just realised, i must be an awful person with that viniagrette but I'm not so much a fan of rugby, can I offset that against the viniagrette.

If you accompany it with something like quinoa, a quality wine pairing, and find yourself talking about Munster's total over reliance on box kicking.... that's when you know you've turned.

friendlyfun · 10-09-2020 9:30am

Motivator wrote: »

Fur coat, no knickers can be applied to the majority of estates on the Dunmore Rd. Before Covid, I used to walk around Ardkeen Stores on a Saturday to give myself a laugh. I’ve witnessed some really high end douchebaggery out there. The kids fresh from Rugby training traipsing after Mum while she picks up a quiche for lunch. Mum, in her active wear and oversized sunglasses, loudly scolding kids for wanting a chicken roll instead of quiche. No says Mum, a light lunch is all we’re having because Dad has a table booked in the Strand this evening.

*****.

Think we found Waterford's Paul Howard here.

Victor · 10-09-2020 9:36am

Snorlaxx wrote: »

Cork has a C4 - Douglas etc.

Actually, Cork has had four postal districts for decades. Cork 4 is the southwest quarter of the city and Cork 2 was the southeast quarter. Douglas Road is C2, but Douglas was in the county - not all of it is posh.

"Back in the day", old money used to be Montenotte, Tivoli, Blackrock Road, Sunday's Well. When I was growing up, it was Blackrock Road and Douglas Road (both D2) and Rochestown (county). More recently it's more likely to be rural areas like Ovens, Crosshaven and Kinsale.

friendlyfun · 10-09-2020 9:41am

Newtown sticks out for me the most because traditionally it's where the wealthy lived and was the most unionist part of the city. Lord Roberts (helped invent concentration camps during the Boer war) was also from the area.

People usually used to vote conservative there back in the day. Also the Quakers lived there and they were very prosperous. Must be still a few still in the area considering there's a primary school, boarding school and Quaker meeting house. Many fine houses going out along the Dunmore road too.

azimuth17 · 10-09-2020 9:44am

Funniest thread on the Waterford forum for years. Thanks.

hardybuck · 10-09-2020 9:46am

friendlyfun wrote: »

Newtown sticks out for me the most because traditionally it's where the wealthy lived and was the most unionist part of the city. Lord Roberts (helped invent concentration camps during the Boer war) was also from the area.

People usually used to vote conservative there back in the day. Also the Quakers lived there and they were very prosperous. Must be still a few still in the area considering there's a primary school, boarding school and Quaker meeting house. Many fine houses going out along the Dunmore road too.

Lord Roberts lived on Newtown Road, and I think Edmund Rice did also.

There are indeed a number of Quakers in that area - thoroughly nice people. It's telling that Newtown was established in 1798, when they were probably feeding the poor there.

Another subtle sign is that there isn't a GAA club within miles of the place!

Motivator · 10-09-2020 10:29am

Max Powers wrote: »

That comes across like some a load of small mindedness, jealousy even. You need to open your mind a bit if quiche and rugby are evidence of some sort of negative trait.

Jealous of what exactly? People paying way over the odds for their houses? Jealous of sitting in bumper to bumper traffic 6 days a week and for what? There’s an air of superiority that hangs over the Dunmore Rd area and there has been for years. I’ve family that have lived out that direction for years and they’re knobheads as well.

kuang1 · 10-09-2020 10:42am

Motivator wrote: »

Jealous of what exactly? People paying way over the odds for their houses? Jealous of sitting in bumper to bumper traffic 6 days a week and for what? There’s an air of superiority that hangs over the Dunmore Rd area and there has been for years. I’ve family that have lived out that direction for years and they’re knobheads as well.

I live in the Dunmore Road area.
Clearly there's a lot in what you say as I find myself feeling very superior to you right now.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:45am

kuang1 wrote: »

I live in the Dunmore Road area.
Clearly there's a lot in what you say as I find myself feeling very superior to you right now.

any quiche? id love a bit now

kuang1 · 10-09-2020 10:46am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

any quiche? id love a bit now

No I've moved on from Quiche.
I now put organic pears in my spelt bread sandwiches with bacon from hand reared pigs.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:52am

kuang1 wrote: »

No I've moved on from Quiche.
I now put organic pears in my spelt bread sandwiches with bacon from hand reared pigs.

oh how i wish to be you, i ll have to just live with my fatty rasher sambos, and on yesterdays bread, life sucks down here

hardybuck · 10-09-2020 11:00am

Motivator wrote: »

Jealous of what exactly? People paying way over the odds for their houses? Jealous of sitting in bumper to bumper traffic 6 days a week and for what? There’s an air of superiority that hangs over the Dunmore Rd area and there has been for years. I’ve family that have lived out that direction for years and they’re knobheads as well.

Absolute nonsense. The house is inherited, the au pair does most of the running to the school, and the shopping gets delivered.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:05am

hardybuck wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. The house is inherited, the au pair does most of the running to the school, and the shopping gets delivered.

whats an au pair?

Victor · 10-09-2020 12:10pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

whats an au pair?

Typically a young migrant woman who lives with a family, as part of the family as a cultural exchange. In exchange for bed and board and pocket money, the au pair is expected to do some household chores.

In the case of Waterford, the migrant is likely to be from Ballybeg.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 12:12pm

Victor wrote:

In the case of Waterford, the migrant is likely to be from Ballybeg.

Do they batter the kids going to school, like the rest of us?

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2020 1:37pm

I get my salad greens from Grow HQ seeds which is far posher than Ardkeen Stores bagged lettuce and yet much cheaper.

/double win for the win.

Spanish Eyes · 10-09-2020 1:42pm

Interesting and entertaining thread. Should be one for all big towns and cities in Ireland.

I've always thought that the so called "posh" areas depended on a few factors....

Old and inherited money
Merchant princes,
The areas where the doctors, dentists, lawyers and other professions live.

If anyone can add to the list, be my guest. Just had a look at Newtown, now I must look up the Quaker influence. Thanks that'll pass an hour or so!

Dum_Dum · 10-09-2020 1:44pm

I live in WD40 and my daddy works for KPMG.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 1:44pm

Dum_Dum wrote: »

I live in WD40 and my daddy works for KPMG.

well lubed then!

Max Powers · 10-09-2020 2:02pm

Motivator wrote: »

Jealous of what exactly? People paying way over the odds for their houses? Jealous of sitting in bumper to bumper traffic 6 days a week and for what? There’s an air of superiority that hangs over the Dunmore Rd area and there has been for years. I’ve family that have lived out that direction for years and they’re knobheads as well.

Sorry, I probably should have jealous, envious with a chip on shoulder also. You'll have to do some introspection to find out what prompted your ridiculous post about sunglasses, quiche, rugby and walking around a shop to look at people.

hardybuck · 10-09-2020 2:08pm

The funny thing is people from wealthy parts of Dublin would by crying laughing at this, even more than we are.

Paul Howard is definitely right in what he said though - every town has a part where the doctor, solicitor and parish priest lived. Even more affluent again if that's where the Protestant versions of those professions lived!

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2020 2:34pm

In Tramore it's Priest Road and Church Road area with Doneraile Walk etc.

El Tarangu · 10-09-2020 3:09pm

Motivator wrote: »

The kids fresh from Rugby training traipsing after Mum while she picks up a quiche for lunch. Mum, in her active wear and oversized sunglasses, loudly scolding kids for wanting a chicken roll instead of quiche.

Imagine thinking that quiche constituted posh food in 2020 - it's egg pie...

deisemum · 10-09-2020 3:10pm

Funniest thread on here in a while, I confess to having quiche for lunch today but it was homemade.

Motivator · 10-09-2020 4:30pm

deisemum wrote: »

Funniest thread on here in a while, I confess to having quiche for lunch today but it was homemade.

Homemade? Pff, no no. No self respecting Dunmore Roadian would dare make homemade quiche. Think of the mess that would make in their €40k Evoke kitchen?

Although an anecdote about the kids getting their chinos dirty cleaning up Mum’s mess would go down an absolute storm up in St Anne’s.

Is there a D4 in Waterford

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