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Bishop of hope · 08-09-2020 10:47AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Utter nonsense and no point reading any further.

The notion that you can only 'oppose' in government if you have never been wrong is bizarre and the sly surender monkeys/subservient digs are predictable. Straight out of the Richmond playbook tbh.

The truth is always hurtful I suppose.
Wonder what they'll do if border posts ar inflicted on us.
Mightnt happen here, but across that border we have no control really.

padd b1975 · 08-09-2020 01:00PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

She is an odious woman. I can't stand her. And the so-called "EU" is illegal and treasonous and must be disbanded.

Not very likable at all but she's an excellent politician in Europe.

blanch152 · 08-09-2020 03:21PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Ah now that's not an answer to the point I posed at all.
SF are shadow boxing here and attempting to blame govt here for something they have a huge shout about North of the border surely.
This is another win win for them as they won't accept responsibility for any wrong while pointing the finger at govt down here.
They're probably figuring out what exactly they have influence over, in servitude to a British govt riding them and blaming our govt.
They collapsed the executive over fcuk all before, it'll happen again probably and they'd have more grounds for doing so if this goes pear shaped, they can do that and blame FF/FG/Greens and get away with it.
But truth be told if Boris UK govt decide to crash out with no deal neither side can do fcuk all to stop it.
But to SF favour is the fact that it might bring a unity poll closer.
They're probably secretly hoping for it to go down that way, and they can blame everyone else for it too.
SF is mentioned here as its in the context of who a hard brexit actually favours.
Fcuk the economy, let's see if it unites Ireland attitude.
And you were the one who shot up the tweet mentioning them.

It has been clear for a long time that Sinn Fein have little care for the welfare of the people - a united Ireland is the only agenda. If a hard Brexit helps that while making people poorer, they won’t care.

James Brown · 08-09-2020 04:06PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Not very likable at all but she's an excellent politician in Europe.

She was the more preferable choice.

Brendan Bendar · 08-09-2020 07:57PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

She is an odious woman. I can't stand her. And the so-called "EU" is illegal and treasonous and must be disbanded.

Must be cold in the squats ,dude

FrancieBrady · 08-09-2020 08:55PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The truth is always hurtful I suppose.
Wonder what they'll do if border posts ar inflicted on us.
Mightnt happen here, but across that border we have no control really.

What is any party going to do? SF are here on the ground at least and have been informing and giving a platform to local communities since Brexit happened. As for the others...:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/DidColum/status/1303419771036332034

Edgware · 08-09-2020 10:58PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Not very likable at all but she's an excellent politician in Europe.

"Excellent"
Rated against what standard?
Flanagan, Wallace, Daly. Kelly. Really under pressure there

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 06:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is any party going to do? SF are here on the ground at least and have been informing and giving a platform to local communities since Brexit happened. As for the others...:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/DidColum/status/1303419771036332034

Where's here on the ground?
RTE, Indo, times, mirror, sun etc are there on the ground informing people, I'm not sure what you're on about.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 06:56AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Where's here on the ground?
RTE, Indo, times, mirror, sun etc are there on the ground informing people, I'm not sure what you're on about.

The border region.

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 07:45AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The border region.

The border region is important. But this affects all of Ireland. All of it. On the Ground is the whole island, the border region?

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 07:51AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The border region is important. But this affects all of Ireland. All of it. On the Ground is the whole island, the border region?

I can only speak for here.

As this is a government thread...you lambasted SF for inaction on Brexit, can you outline how the others are going to avoid a hard border now that (as predicted) the British have gone rogue nation?

We have seen the fallacy of the 'taking your seats' nonsense now surely?

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 08:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I can only speak for here.

As this is a government thread...you lambasted SF for inaction on Brexit, can you outline how the others are going to avoid a hard border now that (as predicted) the British have gone rogue nation?

We have seen the fallacy of the 'taking your seats' nonsense now surely?

But that's a criticism of the British govt, not the Irish.
If they renege on the deal there's damn all the govt here can do about it.
Sinn Féin can't either and they're in power in the North, but seem intent on shifting the blame on to the Irish govt for this.
Is that'not ridiculous political blame shifting?

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 08:22AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But that's a criticism of the British govt, not the Irish.
If they renege on the deal there's damn all the govt here can do about it.
Sinn Féin can't either and they're in power in the North, but seem intent on shifting the blame on to the Irish govt for this.
Is that'not ridiculous political blame shifting?

I love the way the ardent fans lose all concept of what it is an opposition party do when it comes to SF.

Where have they blamed the government for British perfidiousness by the way? Surely you mean they have blamed the government for not being critical enough of British perfidy?

Has the power swap not been told often enough (and witnessed it) that this is what the British will do when their own selfish interests come to the fore?

Muahahaha · 09-09-2020 08:33AM

Big Phil has come out and blamed Leo and Martin for his resignation. For some reason he didnt blame any of the imaginary mobs that Blueshirts on here were blaming for it

blanch152 · 09-09-2020 09:02AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The border region.

We know well how good republicans in the border region will ensure that there is no hard border.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 09:05AM

blanch152 wrote: »

We know well how good republicans in the border region will ensure that there is no hard border.

You up for a bit of doffing the hat and just accepting blanch? That figures and is perfectly in line with past behaviours of the power swap party..stand idle there lads and lassies.

Trouble is because of the shift/change enforced in Irish politics they can't really do that any more.

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 09:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I love the way the ardent fans lose all concept of what it is an opposition party do when it comes to SF.

Where have they blamed the government for British perfidiousness by the way? Surely you mean they have blamed the government for not being critical enough of British perfidy?

Has the power swap not been told often enough (and witnessed it) that this is what the British will do when their own selfish interests come to the fore?

Replying to ardent opposition supporters is critical at this juncture.
Mostly windy they should do something about this without outlining what the something could be.
We had what we all thought was a good deal, so if it's reneged on then unity of action is what's needed in response to it, not political point scoring.
What can the Irish govt do if the British renege, which hasn't happened yet btw, and what can SF do?

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 09:09AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Big Phil has come out and blamed Leo and Martin for his resignation. For some reason he didnt blame any of the imaginary mobs that Blueshirts on here were blaming for it

Interesting, I was listening to MMG replacement there on the radio.
He cited the mobs, but equally the govt giving in to pressure too.

blanch152 · 09-09-2020 09:27AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You up for a bit of doffing the hat and just accepting blanch? That figures and is perfectly in line with past behaviours of the power swap party..stand idle there lads and lassies.

Trouble is because of the shift/change enforced in Irish politics they can't really do that any more.

No, but certainly I am not running around in circles like Lance Corporal Jones or Beaker from the Muppets shouting not to panic as they actually panic like opposition politicians who offer no solutions.

The Brits are throwing shapes in the negotiations, what do you expect them to do? They have a certain view of the world and they are pushing it. It is up to the EU to push back and show them the foolishness of their position.

Crying and whinging while standing on the ground in the border regions is definitely not going to help anyone so I certainly don't see that as anything positive. From what I can see, the opposition and their spokespersons on here have offered nothing more than shout back louder as a solution.

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 11:04AM

blanch152 wrote: »

No, but certainly I am not running around in circles like Lance Corporal Jones or Beaker from the Muppets shouting not to panic as they actually panic like opposition politicians who offer no solutions.

The Brits are throwing shapes in the negotiations, what do you expect them to do? They have a certain view of the world and they are pushing it. It is up to the EU to push back and show them the foolishness of their position.

Crying and whinging while standing on the ground in the border regions is definitely not going to help anyone so I certainly don't see that as anything positive. From what I can see, the opposition and their spokespersons on here have offered nothing more than shout back louder as a solution.

In other words...'don't dare criticise us while we dither and faff'...is that what you are trying to say?

It's not the cozy little power swap anymore, you'll have to do better than that

McMurphy · 09-09-2020 11:15AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Big Phil has come out and blamed Leo and Martin for his resignation. For some reason he didnt blame any of the imaginary mobs that Blueshirts on here were blaming for it

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1303426604216078336?s=19

Bishop of hope · 09-09-2020 11:30AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In other words...'don't dare criticise us while we dither and faff'...is that what you are trying to say?

It's not the cozy little power swap anymore, you'll have to do better than that

Whose dithering and faffing?
What are you on about, you're just faffing out chat for the sake of it.
The Taoiseach is going to speak to Johnson this afternoon and is very critical of the latest developments with the British.
What exactly do you or SF expect at this point?

FrancieBrady · 09-09-2020 11:35AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Whose dithering and faffing?
What are you on about, you're just faffing out chat for the sake of it.
The Taoiseach is going to speak to Johnson this afternoon and is very critical of the latest developments with the British.
What exactly do you or SF expect at this point?

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

James Brown · 09-09-2020 12:41PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Interesting, I was listening to MMG replacement there on the radio.
He cited the mobs, but equally the govt giving in to pressure too.

Seemed to me MM and LV wanted Hogan gone. 'the mobs' are an excuse. They've brazened out worse for less capable people. I think they used him to take the pressure off themselves. A sacrificial lamb, albeit an arrogant unpopular one.

Jinglejangle69 · 09-09-2020 03:21PM

Have they hidden Stephen Donnelly away?

Utterly useless.

blanch152 · 09-09-2020 03:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

You mean set out our negotiating plans in public in full for the British to see? That would be completely foolish, you know that, but opposition for opposition's sake demands that Sinn Fein put forward naive and foolish proposals.

Actually, scratch that, I am probably giving too much credit to Sinn Fein as being nastily disingenuous, they probably are simply naive and foolish.

Truthvader · 09-09-2020 04:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

Brendan Bendar · 09-09-2020 04:13PM

Truthvader wrote: »

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

Nuts an bolts Truth, nuts an’ bolts.

Bags of them.

dundalkfc10 · 09-09-2020 04:17PM

Truthvader wrote: »

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

So when Francie stated he just wanted our Govt to have a clear plan, your response is something about the IRA.

Will you give it a rest ruining every thread, If the Govt are asked to do something or called out on something they are doing wrong your on sprouting about the Ra.

Truthvader · 09-09-2020 04:36PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So when Francie stated he just wanted our Govt to have a clear plan, your response is something about the IRA.

Will you give it a rest ruining every thread, If the Govt are asked to do something or called out on something they are doing wrong your on sprouting about the Ra.

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

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