Are there any universally loved Irish people

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:44am

boardise wrote: »

Abused the office by making political statements. Also misled the people by saying he would be a one term president. Altogether an odious piece of work.

did you see his opponents? the man did the country a service running a 2nd time

cj maxx · 07-09-2020 9:45am

Michael Lyster

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:45am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Nice piss take there.

Wee Barry the Brit

barry is a legend

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:46am

joeguevara wrote: »

Wouldn’t be that uncommon, especially if he is a paid guest and author isnt well known He brings the crowd to listen to him and then the author can read a chapter and sell to captive audience. Then the crowd will be telling all asunder about the Great stories Micheál said. When asked what it was for mention book.

if you call how i got here today on the train interesting

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:49am

joeguevara wrote: »

With his unfair sidekick Alex Higgins. Absolutely adored Alex. Even Irish people got a kick when he screamed at Denis Taylor not to come back to Belfast or he’d get him shot. Head butted a ref during a match too.

Ken Doherty was great too. No style like whyte or Ronnie but when his game was in he could beat the best. Winning the crucible was amazing when you realised the talent all around him.

i would hazzard a guess that anyone who has met ken thinks he's sound, he stopped his beamer once on castlewood avenue to let me pull out, however i wished him to keep going as i wanted to do a u-turn, so with some simple eye and finger movements we got our desired result.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:51am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There isn't a person mentioned so far who is popular for everyone but I think he would be as popular with many Irish people as some of the fcuktards listed previously.

dev and collins at best are divisive

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:54am

Seamai wrote: »

He's the second grave to the left of my grand aunt's in St. Oliver's cemetery.

i actually saw a pic of his grave, there were 5 beams of "light" in the monument, i thought there should be 6.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-09-2020 9:55am

golfball37 wrote: »

Andy Lee

lovely guy, needs to break away from mtk though

joeguevara · 07-09-2020 11:13am

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well once you eliminate illiteracy 100%? There is no western country that has done that. Why were all the Cubans escaping to the United States then on rubber tyres.

The North was a proxy war fought between London and Moscow. The polit Bureau were sending arms via Libya and other Warsaw Pact states. So of course it was going to support it own cause. I am not saying the suffering of the people in Northern Ireland wasn't real previous but once both sides were properly armed, then it started.

Now I have not been to Cuba but a friend of mine has and confirmed for be beyond doubt that yes it is a complete sugarhole. but they have an amazing marketing and tourism board.

Your question reminded me of the following clip about the Romans from Life of Brian

https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ

So apart from one of the highest literacy rates which for exampl In 1959, 23.6% of the Cuban population couldn’t read or write.By 1961, about a quarter of million teachers reached over 700,000 people, who then passed a basic literacy test, driving the rate down to 3.9%.

And apart from one of the safest environments for children and a life expectancy rate equivalent to first world country, and one of the best healthcare systems in the world that is all free Since its 1959 revolution, Cuba’s infant mortality rate has fallen from 37.3 to 4.3 per 1000 live births—a rate equivalent to Australia’s and lower than the United States’ (5.8). From 1970 to 2016 life expectancy increased from 70.04 to 78.7 years, approaching expectancy in the United States (79.8). Cuba’s leading health care problems—non-communicable diseases such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke—are typical of much more wealthy countries.

And apart from one of the most progressive gender equality regimes in the world.
In Cuba, women have equal constitutional rights as men in the economic, political, cultural and social fields, as well as in the family.
Women in labour force: 42.6% (2015)
Women in parliament: 48.9% (2015)

Now obviously there are things not to be proud of and are directly attributable to him, for example treatment of homosexuals. In stark contrast to its gender equality progression,. But before we go past that we must remember that it was very recently in Ireland that homosexuality was a criminal offnce and only very recently that gay marriage is legal so be hypocritical if we castigate Cuba seeing as it is a largely catholic and I mean practicing country

Michael d called out vehemently the wrongs he did so not as if they are trying to hide anything.

So the real question you have is why do people still flee.

Firstly there are many different fleeing periods. Starting with the golden. This was when the US brought most of the rich and middle class Cubans to to America. Most of these were involved in the Bay of Pigs against their own country directed by a foreign military. Classy by Kennedy.

US then kidnapped over 15000 kids in Operation Peter Pan. All the other US attrocities are available for search.

Now you ask why Cubans still flee. So the Country has a ban on professionals leaving to emigrate. Again that’s the concept of the
Lenin Marc Socialsm. So while they’re living a decent and happy life they want to increase their professional wings...

Main reason that Cubans flee though is the damage to the economy because of the draconian economic and trade sanctions Imposed on it for its socialist ideals and for providing assistance to the Soviet Union. Bear in mind US had just done Bay of Pigs.

Once the sanctions stopped the fleeing by and largely stopped and when they began again so did that. If it was an American asking I would consider iit a a pompous illinformed comment knowing the destruction they caused. I’d liken to a Tory from the U.K. Coming to Belfast or Even Dublin in the 80s and saying ‘if you are such good education system, with a decent growing healthcare, increasing literacy etc, why are you all leaving to England. When it was their behaviour and their stealing of our food, while we starved, effected same brain drain by making schools illegal and refusing catholic’s entry to employment, voting, etch

Now just to circle back on how important it was for him to make a statement ensuring it was recognised the improvements made since he was in power, while also ensuring anything bad that was done should be acknowledged and remediated as His radical commitment to human rights and to peace and justice in places such as Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Cambodia, as well as his advocacy of progressive issues such as equal pay for women and the right to vote.

Also have a look at other world leaders comments. Obama said

“We know that this moment fills Cubans — in Cuba and in the United States — with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation. History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him

Indian Prime Minister

Fidel Castro was one of the most iconic personalities of the 20th century. India mourns the loss of a great friend. I extend my deepest condolences to the government & people of Cuba on the sad demise of Fidel Castro. May his soul rest in peace.”

Trudeau

“Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

Juncker of the EU commission said the following

Fidel Castro was one of the historic figures of the past century and the embodiment of the Cuban Revolution. The world has lost a man who was a hero for many. He changed the course of his country and his influence reached far beyond.

Jacob Souma SA president
acob Zuma, president of South Africa:

“The Cuban people, under the leadership and command of President Castro, joined us in our struggle against apartheid.”

And finally, when no one else stood up for Irish struggle, and we needed help as men without trial or defence were Imprisoned and degraded by treating them as having been convicted with none of the rights as outlined in Geneva Convention, He said

“In speaking of international politics, we cannot ignore what is happening in Northern Ireland. I feel it is my duty to refer to this problem. In my opinion, Irish patriots are writing one of the most heroic chapters in human history.

“They have earned the respect and admiration of the world, and likewise they deserve its support. Ten of them have already died in the most moving gesture of sacrifice, selflessness and courage one could ever imagine.

“Humanity should feel ashamed that this terrible crime is being committed before its very eyes. These young fighters do not ask for independence or make impossible demands to put an end to their strike.”

this is why we should be proud of Michael D having the morals and fibre that we need. Instead of cow towing to what was expected he say. While some leaders wouldn’t acknowledge and show Cuban citizens they should be proud of their achievements and improvements and to move forward to improve areas that need to be. But then again in the last day I’ve been told that they want the Irish language to go, lose our culture and move away from it all. So hopefully we stand out for doing right and the rest follow the words and values of the two important leaders Trump and Johnson. I’d Gladly prefer to stand with Fidel over them.

IAMAMORON · 07-09-2020 11:20am

Joanna Donnelly

spurshero · 07-09-2020 11:28am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is Michael D. Higgins not rather well regarded?

No . Head in the trough way too long . Has made millions and people think he’s this great socialist . He has the majority fooled . Remember he was gonna be a one time president ? How did that work out . Then again it’s not easy give up 300k a year and the aras

joeguevara · 07-09-2020 11:32am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Could you please share your list of the days that it's OK with you for him to sign legislation?

FFS man, if that's your biggest whinge then it's a good sign that he did a decent job.

As as been indicated, president has no power to amend legislation that has gone through the Dail and the Seanad and once ensures constituonality is required to sign. The dodgy day reference is equally as bizarre as the day is completely irrelevant as it’s not as if it’s been hidden from anyone as they all have seen it and debated it and passed it up to the president. I’ve had a search on the internet and there are a few references to the water charges legislation https://www.thejournal.ie/michael-d-higgins-water-charges-1855369-Dec2014/

The only opportunity to review was calling council if it was repugnamt to the constitution. He found it not to be and so he cannot call council. I couldn’t find reference to the ‘something about accommodation one’. Interestingly he did bring in the council of state on the abortion bill as he thought the legislation was rushing through.

Therefore it shows he doesn’t just sign legislation at the will of the government, he has faith in his understanding of his powers and what he was required to do and when he needs assistance he seeks it. It is clear that a lot of people misunderstand the role and power of the president and think it’s a second bite of the cherry when what an individual or a party didn’t get what they wanted included or taken out of a piece of legislation.

However that is the role of the Dail and Seanad and everyone gets an opportunity to outline their views. It’s not the fault of the president if they don’t like it as long as how it was drafted and discussed and is in line with what is enumerated in our constitution. An example of how TDS aren’t knowledgable on powers of the president is when Independent TD Mattie McGrath wrote to the president prior to signing asking him to review it under Article 27 of the Constitution. A statement was publicly announced by the President which highlighted how Higgins’s hands were essentially tied in relation to Article 27, which applies to “any Bill … which shall have been deemed, by virtue of Article 23 hereof, to have been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas” – as is the case with the water charge legislation. Article 27 therefore did not apply in this case. So he was requested in writing by the TD to do something that Legislation prohibits. It didn’t stop the opposition TDs informing the huge crowd of gathered protestors during the March that the President had behaved in a dereliction of duties and refused to review the Act as requested.

The second request came from Sinn Fein which requested him to utilise Article 26 which allows the President – after consulting with his Council of State – to refer a bill to the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality. As mentioned above he did accede to the request but didn’t find the Act repugnant to the Constitution and therefore did not call the Council of State. Now he was immediately set upon by Sinn Fein who claimed he wasn’t skilled or knowledgeable to do so even though as a politician, historian, with degrees in politics, political science, a masters in sociology. academic career, He was a Statutory Lecturer in the Department of Political Science and Sociology at UCG and was a visiting professor at Southern Illinois University. Also he was a member of the Seanad twice (remember role is to discuss legislation and review it and have the knowlege to raise any concerns, also a member of Dail with his last tenure in the Dail lasting nearly 25 years, also acting as a Minister (remember one of the main roles being drafting and assisting to draft Legislation ensuring both fairness and compliance with the Constitution, to review draft comments referred to from Seanad, to be available to discuss legal and constitutional issues with the Attorney General. He is also studied and lectured with authors of Irish constitutional law book Oran Doyle and Tom Hickey. Now the full list of SF expertise who said he was unknowledgewble and ill equipped to determine whether the Act was repugnant to the Constitution with leading experts equipped with a civil engineering certificate, and English literarature and some junior education trainer.

Now if Sinn Fein had any understanding of the Constitution and the requirement they would have understood An Article 26 reference is not, however, without its pitfalls. If, on the other hand, the Bill is found to be constitutional, the President must sign it into law. However, unlike other pieces of legislation, Article 34.3.3° states that an act that has received the stamp of constitutionality after an Article 26 reference can never be challenged again. This anomaly was inserted by the Second Amendment of the Constitution, during the three years after the enactment of the Constitution in which it could be amended by ordinary legislation without the need of a referendum. As a result, the Article 26 procedure is rarely used. Since the enactment of the Constitution in 1937, there have been only 15 references; the most recent being Mary McAleese’s referral of the Health (Amendment) (No 2) Bill in 2005.

Furthermore, Article 26 procedures are very unusual court cases in the sense that two teams of court-appointed lawyers are given 60 days to come up with hypothetical arguments for and against the constitutionality of the bill. There are no real-life facts to go on; no real people who can point to a concrete example of where the application of a law has infringed upon their constitutional rights. As a result, it is foreseeable that the lawyers involved may not think of every conceivable scenario that may arise that could put the constitutionality of an act into question.

Sometimes, insulating a piece of legislation from future constitutional challenge is actually a reason for using Article 26. This was the motivation behind Mary Robinson referring the Regulation of Information (Services out-side the State for Termination of Pregnancies) Bill in 1995. This Act, which made it lawful to provide information pertaining to abortions abroad was thus insulted from inevitable and repetitive challenges from anti-abortion campaigners.

Thus if President Higgins were to refer the Water Services Bill to the Supreme Court and its constitutionality were upheld, this act could never be challenged again. By not using Article 26, the door remains open for future constitutional challenges.

This is not to say, however, that there is a good chance that the Act is unconstitutional. Indeed, Irish courts are generally quite reluctant to get involved with revenue-related powers of government, considering them to be areas more appropriate for the political branches to decide. Of course, courts can inquire into breaches of rights; however, the weak protection afforded to socio-economic rights in the Irish Constitution means that this would be particularly problematic to show in the context of the Water Services Bill. The Constitutional Convention did pass a resolution calling for greater constitutional protection for such socio-economic rights; however, the current government has declined to act upon this suggestion.
President Higgins thus had no real option but to sign the Water Services Bill into law. To refer it to the Supreme Court using Article 26 would most probably have been a futile exercise. Furthermore, this would have insulated the Act from any future challenges to its constitutionality,

Therefore, those people who called him devious for signing it based on the enlightened word of Mary Lou, fell for the ineptitude of the Party of change at the first hurdle. If he did refer and in More than likelihood seen to be constitutional, not one part of that act could ever be challenged again. I wonder what would have happened if the great Liadh na Riadh or Peter Casey or indeed any of the charlatans and ragtaggle were in the Head of State. Looking what was going to be on offer as the person who represents us, no wonder he re-evaluated along with the reasons for retirement

Through further reading and searching it is clear that the beginning of an anti-Higgins agenda started during the Water Charges marches and protest

imme · 07-09-2020 11:43am

Tony Connolly the RTE Brussels based correspondent is highly thought of/ respected by many commentators and politicians across Europe.

Truthvader · 07-09-2020 12:22pm

joeguevara wrote: »

If you were cooked a fillet steak badly you hate the chef not the steak.

Honestly if you are Irish, you have no choice but accepting Irish is our native language as its recognised as such in our constitution. If you don’t recognise the constitution then i don’t count you. And promotion of our culture while integrating others is paramount.

Going off thread I know but the Irish language is not "paramount". Living in a free country where the government cannot invade your home nor thieves take the benefit of your labour, plus freedom of speech and expression and a functioning democracy are all a bit more "paramount" than a dead language that nobody speaks on a daily basis used only by the Revenue Commissioners signing off letters and Sinn Fein when they want to annoy Unionists.

Particularly in a multicultural society where about 50 languages are spoken on a daily basis more often than Irish. If you have a special interest fair enough but lets stop squandering money on it

imme · 07-09-2020 1:07pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Going off thread I know but the Irish language is not "paramount". Living in a free country where the government cannot invade your home nor thieves take the benefit of your labour, plus freedom of speech and expression and a functioning democracy are all a bit more "paramount" than a dead language that nobody speaks on a daily basis used only by the Revenue Commissioners signing off letters and Sinn Fein when they want to annoy Unionists.

Particularly in a multicultural society where about 50 languages are spoken on a daily basis more often than Irish. If you have a special interest fair enough but lets stop squandering money on it

The foreigners love the Irish, there'll be bags of them moving to the Gaeltacht for the grants before long.

ShamNNspace · 07-09-2020 1:08pm

I would add Cuchullain to the list, a fearsome warrior on the side of justice and probably one of the greatest hurlers if not The greatest hurler of all time, he once hit the sliotar 3 miles and was able to run and catch it coming down the other side such was his prowess, untouchable in his day

IAMAMORON · 07-09-2020 1:09pm

imme wrote: »

The foreigners love the Irish, there'll be bags of them moving to the Gaeltacht for the grants before long.

The smart ones all are, it is a no brainer. Move to Letterfrack or Belmullet and get a gaff and free education for your kids. It makes sense.

jmayo · 07-09-2020 1:35pm

joeguevara wrote: »

I loved Derek Davis doing the charades game show. Twink was one captain and Dave fanning was the other i think. Jaysus irish tv was atrocious.

Ehh that was when RTE tried to actual make some programs.
It has gotten a lot lot worse since then.

irishblessing wrote: »

hahaha thanks for the laugh :pac:

Or highway to hell, ha

What about Road to Hell ?

Sorry about that wrote: »

John Giles.

I would say the likes of Kevin Keegan would disagree.
Although kudos to Keegan he didn't lie around on the ground like the modern lightweight spoofers.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I would add Cuchullain to the list, a fearsome warrior on the side of justice and probably one of the greatest hurlers if not The greatest hurler of all time, he once hit the sliotar 3 miles and was able to run and catch it coming down the other side such was his prowess, untouchable in his day

Feck him, he defeated Connacht and took the bull back, the bast***.

bobbysands81 · 07-09-2020 1:37pm

Bono.

Everyone loves a good tax exile to let us know what we’re all doing wrong.

Dyr · 07-09-2020 2:53pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I would add Cuchullain to the list, a fearsome warrior on the side of justice and probably one of the greatest hurlers if not The greatest hurler of all time, he once hit the sliotar 3 miles and was able to run and catch it coming down the other side such was his prowess, untouchable in his day

Very one sided hurler though, lost the cool too easily as well

IAMAMORON · 07-09-2020 3:10pm

Bambi wrote: »

Very one sided hurler though, lost the cool too easily as well

He was also very bad with dogs, he could have just clattered that hound across the head, thing would have been grand in the morning and he still would have made the party.

Selfish bastard.

The Tetrarch · 07-09-2020 3:53pm

Joe Dolan

StackSteevens · 07-09-2020 5:16pm

daheff wrote: »

Yer man who wrote the book of Kells

But I'm pretty sure that Una Mullally once claimed that a woman wrote that.

And, on the subject of universally loved Irish people, may I propose Fintan "Mensa" O'Tool (sic).

StackSteevens · 07-09-2020 5:19pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Joanna Donnelly

Choked on my latte when I read that one. I tear my hair out whenever she presents the weather!

Mind you, Met Eireann's Gerry Murphy is a grand lad.

deckie66 · 07-09-2020 5:21pm

Christy Moore

07-09-2020 5:30pm

P Flynn .. any takers no?

landofthetree · 07-09-2020 5:33pm

deckie66 wrote: »

Christy Moore

I'm an ordinary man to book me costs 100 grand.

elperello · 07-09-2020 6:24pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Bono.

Everyone loves a good tax exile to let us know what we’re all doing wrong.

Bono is not a tax exile, he lives in Dublin.

He probably is a good example of a universally loved Irish person.

Truthvader · 07-09-2020 6:32pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Bono.

Everyone loves a good tax exile to let us know what we’re all doing wrong.

Because you and everybody else paus as much tax as they can.

.anon. · 07-09-2020 7:17pm

jmayo wrote: »

What a load of shyte.

It's not, actually. Sorry about that.

Are there any universally loved Irish people

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