Dublin Airport plans new charge for drop-offs, pick-ups

narmst · 06-09-2020 10:02pm #1

Under the plans, DAA will change the internal road layout and install new lanes and barriers at the main airport exit.

Currently, private cars are permitted to drop off in front of both terminals at Dublin Airport.

As you’ll all know this works well and isn’t a problem.
Well - problem is it isn’t raising revenue for anyone - so must be changed.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1163501/

Dublin Airport plans to introduce charges for people who are collecting or dropping off passengers by car.

The proposed new drop-off and pick-up zones will operate in front of Terminal 1 and Terminal 2.

Works will begin shortly if the project receives approval from the planning authorities.

Polar101 · 07-09-2020 7:00am

Step 1: Build good transport links to the airport, such as a metro or a rail line
Step 2: Introduce extra charges for cars, so people would use public transport more

I think they missed a step.

godtabh · 07-09-2020 7:14am

Was there planning for this?

07-09-2020 7:20am

Environmental initiative? Give me a break. Banana republic stuff going on here as usual.

Darc19 · 07-09-2020 7:23am

Just use the red long term drop off point

Dempo1 · 07-09-2020 7:27am

Utter nonsense of a proposal, I get their broke but FFS get your parking and access to terminals sorted first. With all the money spent on this airport, it's extraordinary that people have little option but to drop off family or friends or pick up same at the terminal entrances. I see absolutely no reason to stop this, as it is you get at best a minute before your moved on by airport staff. Ridiculous suggestion and then to throw in absurd reasoning behind it makes it even more nonsensical.

Cookiemunster · 07-09-2020 8:49am

godtabh wrote: »

Was there planning for this?

Well if you actually read the article you would see that they're waiting on planning permission.

road_high · 07-09-2020 9:14am

Airports in England been doing this for years, even smallish relatively rural ones. Surprised it didn't happen in Dublin a long time tbh especially with "security" concerns

mcgragger · 07-09-2020 5:29pm

road_high wrote: »

Airports in England been doing this for years, even smallish relatively rural ones. Surprised it didn't happen in Dublin a long time tbh especially with "security" concerns

Security concerns??
Having to put 2 euros into a toll booth will hardly discourage a terrorist.

Anyway back to this "charge" ..... its just a sly way to levy losses on to us passengers.

Public transport me arse. If they were honest then at least you could give them credit for that.

Eric Cartman · 07-09-2020 5:31pm

greedy taxi drivers hand wringing again id say. This is a complete sham. One of the few saving graces of Dublin airport was being able to have somebody pick you up in the set-down area and not have to go through the shuttle bus torture to the carpark.

Pete_Cavan · 07-09-2020 8:09pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

greedy taxi drivers hand wringing again id say. This is a complete sham. One of the few saving graces of Dublin airport was being able to have somebody pick you up in the set-down area and not have to go through the shuttle bus torture to the carpark.

Isn't it a drop off only area and you aren't allowed to pick up there already?

mcgragger · 07-09-2020 8:22pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Isn't it a drop off only area and you aren't allowed to pick up there already?

Does it make a difference really whether its drop off or pick up?

Its just a money grabbing stunt. THey should just be honest about it.

Pete_Cavan · 07-09-2020 8:43pm

mcgragger wrote: »

Does it make a difference really whether its drop off or pick up?

Its just a money grabbing stunt. THey should just be honest about it.

You should be paying for pick up anyway so what's changing in that respect is people will no longer be able to break the rules. The poster said about "being able to have somebody pick you up in the set-down area", you may have gotten away with it but you weren't supposed to do it. I don't think those breaking the rules have much right to complain, particularly as the rule isn't actually changing, they are just making it harder/impossible to break.

Spanish Eyes · 07-09-2020 9:02pm

Go through the barrier, take a time stamped ticket. Wait no more than fifteen minutes for the pick up (drop offs are easier), go out through barrier, if waiting more than 15 minutes guilty as charged. I think that is reasonable. Otherwise pay for the car park short stay and get on with it.

As others have said lots of busy airports use a similar system. So if you don't abuse it you won't be charged. So simple isn't it.

But we are not sure whether a free 15 minutes will be allowed or not for pick up are we? That's the rub.

Patser · 07-09-2020 9:07pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Go through the barrier, take a time stamped ticket. Wait no more than fifteen minutes for the pick up (drop offs are easier), go out through barrier, if waiting more than 15 minutes guilty as charged. I think that is reasonable. Otherwise pay for the car park short stay and get on with it.

As others have said lots of busy airports use a similar system. So if you don't abuse it you won't be charged. So simple isn't it.

But we are not sure whether a free 15 minutes will be allowed or not for pick up are we? That's the rub.

That's the concern of locals though, a 15 minute free grace period will just lead to cars parking up or circling around near the airport waiting for the 'I'm outside now call' then diving in. So traffic congestion, and weird parking patterns in nearby businesses and housing estates as people wait on flights, some maybe delayed etc

MrMusician18 · 07-09-2020 9:13pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Go through the barrier, take a time stamped ticket. Wait no more than fifteen minutes for the pick up (drop offs are easier), go out through barrier, if waiting more than 15 minutes guilty as charged. I think that is reasonable. Otherwise pay for the car park short stay and get on with it.

As others have said lots of busy airports use a similar system. So if you don't abuse it you won't be charged. So simple isn't it.

But we are not sure whether a free 15 minutes will be allowed or not for pick up are we? That's the rub.

This is going to increase congestion around the airport and if I were a local resident or business if be objecting. What's going to happen, instead of people going to short term, they're going to wait along the feeder roads, in lay bus and nearby estates. This will make the situation worse for everyone.

The real way to solve congestion for collections is to make short term free for the first half hour, with a max short term stay of an hour. Or do what they do in the US and have cell phone lots.

Spanish Eyes · 07-09-2020 9:13pm

Patser wrote: »

That's the concern of locals though, a 15 minute free grace period will just lead to cars parking up or circling around near the airport waiting for the 'I'm outside now call' then diving in. So traffic congestion, and weird parking patterns in nearby businesses and housing estates as people wait on flights, some maybe delayed etc

I know what you mean, but honestly if we didn't try to game the system for a few euro overstay we'd all be better off really.

If locals are less than half an hour away, the passenger should text when going through passport control, or out of it TBH. What kind of snowflakes can't wait for twenty minutes or so to be picked up?

Gas thing is there is no free parking within a few KMs of the airport anyway to wait for the text! All in cahoots, but that's ok, people need to just accept a few euro charge for the luxury of being collected outside the door. Sick of this dicking the system ****e.

Isambard · 07-09-2020 9:20pm

we have this system in Cork. First 10 mins or so are free, charges thereafter on exit. All automatic and ticketless. Now you just park in the hotel or somewhere handy and wait for your pick up to call you. (or you could go in the car park....)

Spanish Eyes · 07-09-2020 9:23pm

Isambard wrote: »

we have this system in Cork. First 10 mins or so are free, charges thereafter on exit. All automatic and ticketless. Now you just park in the hotel or somewhere handy and wait for your pick up to call you. (or you could go in the car park....)

Not possible in Dublin AFAIK.

But cute Corkies have it sussed lol.

artanevilla · 07-09-2020 11:25pm

You'd have to drive around the back way to get to any of the hangers/garage/McDonald's then with the one way system?

Polar101 · 08-09-2020 8:27am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

greedy taxi drivers hand wringing again id say. This is a complete sham. One of the few saving graces of Dublin airport was being able to have somebody pick you up in the set-down area and not have to go through the shuttle bus torture to the carpark.

They interviewed a taxi driver on RTE six one, and he said the charges are a stupid idea, as they'd put people off from using taxes (because it would be more expensive).

Eric Cartman · 08-09-2020 11:05am

Polar101 wrote: »

They interviewed a taxi driver on RTE six one, and he said the charges are a stupid idea, as they'd put people off from using taxes (because it would be more expensive).

Probably hasnt received the memo from his union that theyll be exempt.

If its not for the taxis then this is just such a typical green party manoeuvre, introduce the tax before the alternative you want to encourage. Theres no rail link and the bus link is crap to the airport, theres genuinely no alternative

Pete_Cavan · 08-09-2020 12:41pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Probably hasnt received the memo from his union that theyll be exempt.

If its not for the taxis then this is just such a typical green party manoeuvre, introduce the tax before the alternative you want to encourage. Theres no rail link and the bus link is crap to the airport, theres genuinely no alternative

What does the Green Party or a rail link have to do with it? And under what definition can this be considered a tax, is paying for short term parking when picking someone up (as you are supposed to) also a tax?

It is standard practice in many airports regardless of parties in government or the presence of a rail line. Were you as outraged when such a system was introduced at Cork airport?

Eric Cartman · 08-09-2020 1:53pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

What does the Green Party or a rail link have to do with it? And under what definition can this be considered a tax, is paying for short term parking when picking someone up (as you are supposed to) also a tax?

It is standard practice in many airports regardless of parties in government or the presence of a rail line. Were you as outraged when such a system was introduced at Cork airport?

Paid short term parking at airports and train stations is also a tax, yes I have an issue with it in cork airport, why should somebody have to oay a charge to drop their family off at the airport terminal, its insanity

StackSteevens · 08-09-2020 1:57pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Paid short term parking at airports and train stations is also a tax, yes I have an issue with it in cork airport, why should somebody have to oay a charge to drop their family off at the airport terminal, its insanity

Agreed, It's a complete outrage!

May I suggest a hunger strike in protest - preferably to the death? I promise to send flowers.

Amirani · 08-09-2020 3:24pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If its not for the taxis then this is just such a typical green party manoeuvre, introduce the tax before the alternative you want to encourage. Theres no rail link and the bus link is crap to the airport, theres genuinely no alternative

You think the Government decide on how Dublin Airport manages its parking system? It's mind-numbing how dumb that is.

Pete_Cavan · 08-09-2020 4:10pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Paid short term parking at airports and train stations is also a tax, yes I have an issue with it in cork airport, why should somebody have to oay a charge to drop their family off at the airport terminal, its insanity

Again, under what definition is it a tax? And before you go off about government bodies or the like, DAA are a commercial entity, they retain the revenue to provide their services, the money doesn't go directly to government.

Part of the reason you will have to pay to drop someone off is people abusing the drop off area to avoid paying to pick people up, as you yourself have admitted to in this thread. There will be a free drop off area in the Red car park. Like most things in life, you have to pay for things which are more desirable.

08-09-2020 4:15pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Again, under what definition is it a tax? And before you go off about government bodies or the like, DAA are a commercial entity, they retain the revenue to provide their services, the money doesn't go directly to government.
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DAA is owned by the State(Citizens) and its purpose is to further the interests of the Citizens, not to inconvenience them and extort money from them.
Each passenger using the airport is already paying a passenger charge for use of the airport.
The objective of reducing congestion at the terminal entrances has been solved more elegantly by time limited free entry in other airports. DAA have chosen to make passenger drop-off zones profit centres for the Airport.

quokula · 08-09-2020 4:20pm

This is pretty common place in airports now, hardly too surprising. Especially as it's become more and more painful being dropped off there by all the people abusing the drop off area to sit for 30 minutes waiting to pick people up and causing congestion, this should put a stop to that.

Hopefully it's better sign posted than stansted though, they photograph your number plate on the way in, with no barrier or anything and no signage once you're within the pick up area, so you have no idea you're on the clock. They also charge a ridiculous rate per minute, with a barrier at the exit collecting before you can leave. I got done for £70 the first time after they introduced it because I had no idea there was any charge.

08-09-2020 4:24pm

quokula wrote: »

This is pretty common place in airports now, hardly too surprising. Especially as it's become more and more painful being dropped off there by all the people abusing the drop off area to sit for 30 minutes waiting to pick people up and causing congestion, this should put a stop to that.

Hopefully it's better sign posted than stansted though, they photograph your number plate on the way in, with no barrier or anything and no signage once you're within the pick up area, so you have no idea you're on the clock. They also charge a ridiculous rate per minute, with a barrier at the exit collecting before you can leave. I got done for £70 the first time after they introduced it because I had no idea there was any charge.

There is a world of difference between MAH who own Stansted and the DAA.

Pete_Cavan · 08-09-2020 4:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

DAA is owned by the State(Citizens) and its purpose is to further the interests of the Citizens, not to inconvenience them and extort money from them.
Each passenger using the airport is already paying a passenger charge for use of the airport.
The objective of reducing congestion at the terminal entrances has been solved more elegantly by time limited free entry in other airports. DAA have chosen to make passenger drop-off zones profit centres for the Airport.

They need revenue in order to achieve the goal of furthering the interests of the citizens which is likely to involve some inconvenience and getting money, extorted or otherwise, from citizens. It's not a tax though as the other poster stated.

Time limited free entry creates other problems too (vultures circling, waiting somewhere else they shouldn't be, etc.), offering free drop off at Red car park and reduced fee 30-minute parking in the short-term car parks seems like a reasonable compromise. You can drop off for free with some hassle, pay a little for less hassle, pay more for no hassle, its up to you.

Stephenc66 · 08-09-2020 4:38pm

As someone who drops of and picks up at Dublin airport half a dozen times a year or more I see this as a good thing

Currently drop of is free the driver must stay with the car and will be moved on promptly once his passengers are dropped off. You rarely see a car sit there more than 5 min let alone 15 min. So in reality nothing changes

Picking up passengers if you follow the rules go to short term car park pay €3 for first hour pick up passengers. If you don't follow the rules pull up somewhere wait until arriving passenger calls from the departures drop of area. Pull up collect passenger, maybe take a bit of stick from some official job done. This is happening on a regular basis.

Under the new proposals pick up is now free which it was not before. I don't see any "extra" being charged here. In fact it may even alleviate congestion in the drop off area if flights ever return to normal as there will now be a designated pick up area. If you follow the rules you are in fact saving money if you get the timing right

At least they are offering a free period unlike most UK airports which charge to use the drop of and pick up areas.

As for extra traffic congestion for the locals it is happening already people waiting to collect from the drop off area I can't see it increasing a lot.

08-09-2020 4:51pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

They need revenue in order to achieve the goal of furthering the interests of the citizens which is likely to involve some inconvenience and getting money, extorted or otherwise, from citizens.

That is not the justification the DAA have used for introducing this charge.

Isambard · 08-09-2020 6:02pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Paid short term parking at airports and train stations is also a tax, yes I have an issue with it in cork airport, why should somebody have to oay a charge to drop their family off at the airport terminal, its insanity

they don't have to pay in that instance, it's free first 10 minutes.

Eric Cartman · 08-09-2020 11:38pm

Isambard wrote: »

they don't have to pay in that instance, it's free first 10 minutes.

Yes , for now, but under this new system itll just create a short term carpark backlog that exceeds that, as you cant just drive up and set down.

Isambard · 09-09-2020 8:03am

don't see how. You drive up (as before) drop your passengers, drive out of one of the two exits. It's to stop people (like me) sitting in their cars for half an hour waiting for incoming flights. You don't go near the short term car park.

Taxis go through the bus gate and don't pay ,as do hire cars for pick up.

Muahahaha · 09-09-2020 4:41pm

I can see McDonalds car park being the new pick up zone when this is implemented. Get yourself a coffee from the drive thru and tell the passenger to walk 5 minutes from T1

Carawaystick · 10-09-2020 9:20pm

All this will do is move the pickup/drop off area from the relatively safe area it is now, to a less safe area just outside the paid for zone.

I'm not sure how the pool or church patrons will be dealt with, nevermind bus passengers, hotel patrons and staff or credit union patrons and staff

McGrath5 · 11-09-2020 11:49am

Muahahaha wrote: »

I can see McDonalds car park being the new pick up zone when this is implemented. Get yourself a coffee from the drive thru and tell the passenger to walk 5 minutes from T1

How much is a coffee in McDonald's compared to just paying the fee?

TBH I'm surprised it has taken the DAA this long to do something about the abuse of the drop-off area.

I've picked people up at night time, particularly when flights from the Canaries come in, the drop off area is littered with cars by people collecting passengers, it's ridiculous.

I'm won't enjoy paying it but at the end of the day it's just another cost of motoring.

Zebra3 · 11-09-2020 12:50pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Yes , for now, but under this new system itll just create a short term carpark backlog that exceeds that, as you cant just drive up and set down.

For someone who spends so much time whinging about freeloaders, you seem to have an issue with paying for things yourself.

veryangryman · 11-09-2020 1:14pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Like most things in life, you have to pay for things which are more desirable.

Such a defeatist attitude. May as well tell them to skip the lube. Not allowing pricks to add more charges is a desirable thing.

They survive long enough with the status quo.

Dublin Airport plans new charge for drop-offs, pick-ups

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