The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

James Brown · 03-09-2020 04:40PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Fair enough with the comparisons to Calleary and Cowen.

However, Veronica Murphy got thrown out of Fine Gael, six senators lost the whip in Fianna Fail and Fine Gael over Clifden, so a more pertinent question would be why Violet is still considered suitable to be a member of the Sinn Fein Parliamentary Party? It is well within the powers of the leaders of Sinn Fein to have the whip removed.

Was Verona suggesting we open up re-education camps for immigrants?
Was she at the Clifden piss up? Did all in attendance lose their party whip? If not why, be double standards too surely? Is what FF/FG do considered the bar? That would be very depressing IMO.
It is, their call obviously.
All this fuss because she had the cheek to suggest the Clifden mob be called out....She was right. So anytime she does her job she can expect this? Seems a little like double standards. I suppose unlike FF/FG TD's she doesn't keep bringing out fresh clangers.

Niallof9 · 03-09-2020 04:49PM

golfball37 wrote: »

She has apparently but that’s irrelevant to what she’s raising here, for once i agree with her. Should she not do her job because she acted like a maggot in the past?

no it makes her a complete hypocrite and its why many are sick to the back teeth of her ilk

James Brown · 03-09-2020 04:53PM

Niallof9 wrote: »

no it makes her a complete hypocrite and its why many are sick to the back teeth of her ilk

They were wrong to flout regulations during Covid but she can't say that because she owed money to a charity? Okey doke.
If we played 'he who is without sin' the Dail would be very quiet.

blanch152 · 03-09-2020 05:45PM

Bowie wrote: »

Was Verona suggesting we open up re-education camps for immigrants?
Was she at the Clifden piss up? Did all in attendance lose their party whip? If not why, be double standards too surely? Is what FF/FG do considered the bar? That would be very depressing IMO.
It is, their call obviously.
All this fuss because she had the cheek to suggest the Clifden mob be called out....She was right. So anytime she does her job she can expect this? Seems a little like double standards. I suppose unlike FF/FG TD's she doesn't keep bringing out fresh clangers.

Essentially yes to the piece in bold.

She robbed a charity, there is no evidence that she paid it back. That means she has a complete lack of credibility when speaking on any issue of public interest.

If I was a supporter of Sinn Fein, I would be appalled at the woman remaining a member of the party. The fact that neither Sinn Fein nor its supporters, members, acolytes or defenders have a problem with it are part of the explanation why I have no time for the party.

Zulu · 03-09-2020 07:29PM

...so after all the usual kicking up of dirt and whataboutry, she still hasn't repaid the stolen money.
Amiright?

golfball37 · 03-09-2020 07:39PM

She paid it back in May. Doesn’t make it right but it is paid back so less of she still hasn’t. Ye can make your points without resorting to what aboutery

limnam · 03-09-2020 07:43PM

Zulu wrote: »

...so after all the usual kicking up of dirt and whataboutry, she still hasn't repaid the stolen money.
Amiright?

Giving out about her doing her job, yep usual kicking up of dirt.

Ended up in their face as usual.

James Brown · 03-09-2020 08:04PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Essentially yes to the piece in bold.

She robbed a charity, there is no evidence that she paid it back. That means she has a complete lack of credibility when speaking on any issue of public interest.

If I was a supporter of Sinn Fein, I would be appalled at the woman remaining a member of the party. The fact that neither Sinn Fein nor its supporters, members, acolytes or defenders have a problem with it are part of the explanation why I have no time for the party.

Fair enough.
How can you support or defend any party with that outlook?
I weigh up the policies and if they are likely to try implement them. I've voted FG, Lab, SF etc on that basis. I cant support any party they've all got flaws.
Violet was right in what she said.

Millionaire only not · 04-09-2020 12:38AM

Balagan1 wrote: »

Guess who wants people held to account?

Yep!

TDs Who Attended Golf Dinner Need To Held To Account As Dail Returns – Wynne
http://www.clare.fm/news/tds-attended-golf-dinner-need-held-account-dail-returns-wynne/

But it was ok for her not accountable to pay for a house she lived in !
until the pressure came on slab to cough it up !

04-09-2020 07:38AM

golfball37 wrote: »

She paid it back in May. Doesn’t make it right but it is paid back so less of she still hasn’t. Ye can make your points without resorting to what aboutery

Who did she pay the money to?

I’m not gonna accuse her of double standards. She was elected to work on behalf of her constituents and I hope she has done more than secure a home for someone in Clare (not her job as a Td) and make a sound bite about golffate (over a week after most of the country made their own sound bites).

If there was an election this week, would she have done enough to restore the earlier damage to her reputation?

Zulu · 04-09-2020 08:33AM

golfball37 wrote: »

She paid it back in May. Doesn’t make it right but it is paid back so less of she still hasn’t. Ye can make your points without resorting to what aboutery

Did she though?

And does that forgive her her sin??

blanch152 · 04-09-2020 08:49AM

Zulu wrote: »

Did she though?

And does that forgive her her sin??

I've just checked

https://www.clareecho.ie/clare-td-wynne-pays-rent-arrears-to-rri/

And it seems that the money has been paid back. However, it is too late for the charity. Her actions contributed to the charity going back.

However, there are a few little details in the story that have me curious.

(1) Where did the €12,000 come from? She hasn't been a TD long enough to save that amount of money, so either she had it already (which begs the question why she didn't pay it sooner to save the charity) or someone else paid it.

(2) The language in the article is very interesting. "Wynne confirmed to The Clare Echo that the payment has been made". Interesting use of tenses, she didn't confirm that she had paid the money, she confirmed that the payment has been made. Secondly, there was this: "Newcastle West based solicitor, John Lynch has transferred a payment for the rent arrears of €12,116 to Rural Resettlement Ireland (RRI) solicitor Michael Lynch". Curious and curiouser.

(3) If Violet didn't have the money, then who paid it? Will it be declared in the political donations register? If not, was it Sinn Fein party money?

There are as many questions as answers in that article.

04-09-2020 08:56AM

She would have no problem getting a bank loan.

I’m glad she paid it to RRI’s solicitor. I know the company has been wound up but they still could have creditors that are owed money. Giving it to a charity of her choice as she first mentioned wasn’t the way to clear her debt.

Call me Al · 04-09-2020 09:23AM

Millionaire only not wrote: »

But it was ok for her not accountable to pay for a house she lived in !
until the pressure came on slab to cough it up !

Or for Mary Lou to head to Belfast for an outlandish funeral blatantly outside guidelines.
Where's the demand for accountability there? Or is that ok in her mind?
She can't have it both ways.

JohnnyFlash · 04-09-2020 09:26AM

Call me Al wrote: »

Or for Mary Lou to head to Belfast for an outlandish funeral blatantly outside guidelines.
Where's the demand for accountability there? Or is that ok in her mind?
She can't have it both ways.

SF are not a normal party and operate to different standards than the rest. You just have to accept this.

limnam · 04-09-2020 09:29AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I've just checked

https://www.clareecho.ie/clare-td-wynne-pays-rent-arrears-to-rri/

And it seems that the money has been paid back. However, it is too late for the charity. Her actions contributed to the charity going back.

The problem for the charity was FG pulling the funding.

limnam · 04-09-2020 09:37AM

Zulu wrote: »

...so after all the usual kicking up of dirt and whataboutry, she still hasn't repaid the stolen money.
Amiright?

She has repaid the rental arrears. Correct.

limnam · 04-09-2020 09:38AM

Superfoods wrote: »

Has Violet managed to pay any of the money back she robbed from the charity?

Yes, Rental arrears has been paid back

*like* *like* *like*

limnam · 04-09-2020 09:40AM

blanch152 wrote: »

So should Barry Cowen be Minister for Agriculture then?

Man drink driving putting peoples lives in danger is comparable to a mother of 5 with a sick husband falling behind in rent.

Get off it.

Zulu · 04-09-2020 09:57AM

limnam wrote: »

...falling behind in rent.

Lol. "It just slipped!!!!"

limnam · 04-09-2020 09:59AM

Zulu wrote: »

Lol. "It just slipped!!!!"

Ah come on now Zulu, you were strutting around asking if it was repaid.

Now you're grasping

Great to see TD's making promises and sticking by them

04-09-2020 10:01AM

limnam wrote: »

Ah come on now Zulu, you were strutting around asking if it was repaid.

Now you're grasping

Great to see TD's making promises and sticking by them

I’d say she has only paid it back due to being a TD and now a public figure. If she got a job in the private sector on the same sort of salary, she wouldn’t have bothered.

She was shamed into it.

limnam · 04-09-2020 10:02AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’d say she has only paid it back due to being a TD and now a public figure. If she got a job in the private sector on the same sort of salary, she wouldn’t have bothered.

She was shamed into it.

She said she would pay it.

It was paid.

Great to see.

04-09-2020 10:05AM

limnam wrote: »

She said she would pay it.

It was paid.

Great to see.

I agree it is great it’s paid. But don’t go over egging her reasons for doing so.

limnam · 04-09-2020 10:06AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I agree it is great it’s paid. But don’t go over egging her reasons for doing so.

Only if you don't make assumptions for the same.

limnam · 04-09-2020 10:14AM

Zulu wrote: »

True, no one is buying her (or your) bs.

Why wait?
If she was serious, she could take out a loan and repay in full now.
...but thats never going to happen.

Oh but yes it did happen Zulu.

You should have a bit more faith in people

blanch152 · 04-09-2020 10:20AM

limnam wrote: »

She said she would pay it.

It was paid.

Great to see.

Again, very clever language.

"She said she would pay it", creates the clear impression that any repayment of the rent would be and was paid by Violet-Anne.

"It was paid", not "she paid it". The use of the passive tense rather than the active tense, both in the newspaper article and then in your post raises the question again of who exactly paid it.

It is the type of language that we have seen from Sinn Fein, obfuscation and plausible deniability. If asked did she repay the money, Violet-Anne will say "it was paid", without clarifying whether she paid it or someone else (Northern Bank, anyone?) on her behalf.

I don't believe she paid that money back out of her own funds. I just don't. The language being used to describe what happened only strengthens that belief.

limnam · 04-09-2020 10:25AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Again, very clever language.

"She said she would pay it", creates the clear impression that any repayment of the rent would be and was paid by Violet-Anne.

"It was paid", not "she paid it". The use of the passive tense rather than the active tense, both in the newspaper article and then in your post raises the question again of who exactly paid it.

It is the type of language that we have seen from Sinn Fein, obfuscation and plausible deniability. If asked did she repay the money, Violet-Anne will say "it was paid", without clarifying whether she paid it or someone else (Northern Bank, anyone?) on her behalf.

I don't believe she paid that money back out of her own funds. I just don't. The language being used to describe what happened only strengthens that belief.

Clutching at straws :pac:

The desperation is very telling.

blanch152 · 04-09-2020 10:29AM

limnam wrote: »

Clutching at straws :pac:

The desperation is very telling.

Not at all.

The newspaper was very careful in its wording - it has the truth to protect, and libel laws. It used the passive tense to describe what happened - the money was paid - without ascribing it to Violet paying it.

So were you, the biggest defender of Violet-Anne on here.

The ambiguities are plain and clear to say. The money was paid. Whether she paid it or not from her own funds may be immaterial to you, but some of us look at things with an older more jaundiced eye and see the obfuscation and misdirection.

04-09-2020 10:35AM

limnam wrote: »

The desperation is very telling.

Its the willingness to die in a ditch defending her on here that is most amusing. I have no idea why you do it.

The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

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