Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

micar · 02-09-2020 10:26PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

There's a lot wrong with this - IMHO.
I think being insured is the right thing for cyclists, a minor trafic incident can be come an expensive personal injury claim against you (for example)
Just because some gippo doesn't insure his car has no more bearing on my life than being pissed that some work shy are taking our tax for decades.
I share the road with other road users, giving and and expecting courtesy.
Wear whatever you like, as long as you are visible rock on.
I do have an opinion on where you should and shouldn't cycle we are sharing the road :-)

What pisses me off is pig ignorant behaviour, I have mentioned a few incidents in this thread, won't trot them out again, use your imagination :-)

Insurance for cyclists will never happen.....

If it did, what do you think will happen........people will give up cycling.......how do you think they will get around......more people using public transport and driving adding to further congestion on the roads.

The more people who cycle the less congestion thete will be.

A person who doesn't cycle does not understand road position for cyclists.

My suggestion is get a bike, cycle on our roads and in the position you believe cyclists should be .

Very quickly you will realise that you need to take a more dominate position......why....to project yourself.......selfish right!!!!.....to prevent motorists being given the opportunity of that dangerous manuvore

micar · 02-09-2020 10:31PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Can you give an example of an incident where a motorist made a personal injury claim against a cyclist as a result of a "minor" traffic incident?

Would be interesting to find out what is the total cost of claims per year resulting rosd traffic accidents

Vs

Total cost of claims arising where a cyclist was at fault

magicbastarder · 02-09-2020 10:41PM

my sister (in her car) rear ended a micra at low speed a year or two ago. the (main dealer) garage quoted 2k for the repair, and over 4k if it was being done as part of an insurance claim.

i'd have to be trying very hard to do that much damage to a car, if i was on my bike. though to be fair, if you look at a beemer or a merc wrong, it'll probably cost you a grand.

07Lapierre · 02-09-2020 10:49PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

my sister (in her car) rear ended a micra at low speed a year or two ago. the (main dealer) garage quoted 2k for the repair, and over 4k if it was being done as part of an insurance claim.

i'd have to be trying very hard to do that much damage to a car, if i was on my bike. though to be fair, if you look at a beemer or a merc wrong, it'll probably cost you a grand.

A lot of motorists would have a heart attack if they knew how much it would cost to replace a damaged road bike! (Never mind a personal injury claim by the cyclist!)

https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road-bikes/race-bikes/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-disc-9.0-etap/2873.html?dwvar_2873_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK

magicbastarder · 02-09-2020 10:59PM

i was talking to a chap a few years ago who was carted off in an ambulance after being hit by a car while out on his bike (it was the motorist's fault,the motorist admitted it straight away). no damage done really bar the bike, and he was (at his own insistence) willing to not involve the insurance company. but the driver rang them and fessed up; the insurance company rang the guy i was talking to and offered him 4k over the phone, i think it was their book value for an ambulance callout with no further health issues.

as per the above, that's insanely cheap for a claim.

07Lapierre · 02-09-2020 11:05PM

Apparently, cars blocking pavements is an issue. Who knew eh?

https://www.98fm.com/podcast/green-party-td-neasa-hourigan-discusses-cars-parking-paths-dublin?fbclid=IwAR1NdCi3jUT7wye4aO_rCrq5lJkJw5xe7tBMyB27swapuwl5sxcC0oz8Cvs

07Lapierre · 02-09-2020 11:10PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i was talking to a chap a few years ago who was carted off in an ambulance after being hit by a car while out on his bike (it was the motorist's fault,the motorist admitted it straight away). no damage done really bar the bike, and he was (at his own insistence) willing to not involve the insurance company. but the driver rang them and fessed up; the insurance company rang the guy i was talking to and offered him 4k over the phone, i think it was their book value for an ambulance callout with no further health issues.

as per the above, that's insanely cheap for a claim.

I'm fortunate that I have a secure room at work where I can store my bike. So on Monday last, as the weather was dry, I rode my "Good" bike to work. If it was written off by a motorist, I estimate it would cost just under €7,000 to replace as I upgraded the wheels, it has electronic gears etc. If you then add the cost of torn clothing, new helmet, medical expenses, loss of earnings etc. etc. It all adds up!

magicbastarder · 02-09-2020 11:16PM

https://twitter.com/CitizenW0lf/status/1301270492989591553

Truthvader · 03-09-2020 09:58AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So let's just review the facts.

1) No-one is being 'forced to cycle'. Never. It has never happened. Not once.
2) There is no 'war on cars'. The Daily Heil invented it as a catchy headline to distract people from what's actually going on. When you've enjoyed the privilege of have the world designed and built around your personal choices, it might seem like a 'war' to have some of that privilege removed. It is actually just a very small amount of rebalancing of facilities in some small, restricted locations.
3) The number of cyclists with helmet cameras is tiny. It is a growing number, but it is still tiny, in the context of the 56k cyclists that commute by bike each day. So any suggestion that anything is happening 'always with a helmet camera' is a gross exaggeration.
4) Cyclists really don't cycle in the middle of the road. It would be a crazy place to cycle with traffic passing you closely in both directions. Some cyclists do cycle in the middle of the lane. It's not a pleasant experience, but it is sometimes necessary to prevent dangerous overtakes. No-one looks to generate conflict with a 1-3 tonne lump of metal.
5) Some cyclists don't use some cycle lanes, because those cycle lanes are designed like these ones https://irishcycle.com/2015/11/05/images-25-reasons-why-cyclists-dont-use-cycle-lanes and poorly maintained, covered with parked cars, mushy leaves, broken glass or dog walkers with extended leads.

So there is no element of rational logic in any of the positions you've suggested.

Don't accept most of the above is true. It is certainly the case that people are being forced onto bicycles. Plus just reading the posts here reveals the hostility of cyclists - and the sense of vengeance and entitlement

xckjoo · 03-09-2020 10:06AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Don't accept most of the above is true. It is certainly the case that people are being forced onto bicycles. Plus just reading the posts here reveals the hostility of cyclists - and the sense of vengeance and entitlement

Who's forcing anyone to cycle?

kenmm · 03-09-2020 10:08AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CitizenW0lf/status/1301270492989591553

Not bad pace for a dog in that second clip!

Charles Babbage · 03-09-2020 10:11AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes and it's not like we don't see pedestrians doing stupid risky things all the time. It's all proof that there's an irrational hatred against people on bikes.

If you take to a machine then we should expect higher standards of you. If this doesn't suit then stay as a pedestrian. It isn't rocket science.

breezy1985 · 03-09-2020 10:11AM

xckjoo wrote: »

Who's forcing anyone to cycle?

The Velominati

Thelonious Monk · 03-09-2020 10:22AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If you take to a machine then we should expect higher standards of you. If this doesn't suit then stay as a pedestrian. It isn't rocket science.

What? Pedestrians are regularly killed by drivers, 2 in the last week. So they're not safe from idiot drivers either.

Thelonious Monk · 03-09-2020 10:24AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Don't accept most of the above is true. It is certainly the case that people are being forced onto bicycles. Plus just reading the posts here reveals the hostility of cyclists - and the sense of vengeance and entitlement

How's the cycling going for you now that you've been forced onto a bike?
A sense of entitlement isn't getting people who use bikes very far though is it given the entire road infrastructure is almost completely dedicated to cars, even in city centres.

breezy1985 · 03-09-2020 10:32AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

How's the cycling going for you now that you've been forced onto a bike?
A sense of entitlement isn't getting people who use bikes very far though is it given the entire road infrastructure is almost completely dedicated to cars, even in city centres.

Youde want to be wearing a good set of padded shorts when you get forced onto the bike otherwise it could really hurtt

Duckjob · 03-09-2020 11:40AM

The comments on people being forced onto a bike are gas considering for the past 50 years people in Ireland have been forced into a car as the only means (PT excepted) of getting safely around from A to B without risking their lives.

Pinch Flat · 03-09-2020 12:51PM

Yeah it's weird. It's like the car is the go-to option for even the most modest of distances. People just can't see beyond it and seem incapable of living their lives with out it. Disclaimer - I drive a SUV that sits on the driveway when I'm not commuting. I should have taken a picture of the car sales man's face when I explained this to him.

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 12:56PM

Irish People and cars are like Americans and Guns! "Ain't nobody takin my car or my freedom to drive where i want, when i want, how i want!".

Truthvader · 03-09-2020 01:41PM

Duckjob wrote: »

The comments on people being forced onto a bike are gas considering for the past 50 years people in Ireland have been forced into a car as the only means (PT excepted) of getting safely around from A to B without risking their lives.

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. Endy story. That is why, given a choice, people will prefer it. It is delusional to think otherwise. The bicycle agenda is a step backwards in time

Idleater · 03-09-2020 01:47PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. Endy story. That is why, given a choice, people will prefer it. It is delusional to think otherwise. The bicycle agenda is a step backwards in time

Reporting to the journal for a FactCheck article.

Is there 1 sentence or subclause without a weasel word?

I like my car, don't get me wrong, it has a use, but most civilised?

kenmm · 03-09-2020 02:07PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. Endy story. That is why, given a choice, people will prefer it. It is delusional to think otherwise. The bicycle agenda is a step backwards in time

That's certainly the perception. In my experience, I know a few people that made the switch. Pattern is generally, try it a few times, first few times feel sh!t (how much depends on fitness) then things start to get better. Better health, quicker commutes, freedom to leave work when they can (not to beat 'traffic').

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 02:09PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. Endy story. That is why, given a choice, people will prefer it. It is delusional to think otherwise. The bicycle agenda is a step backwards in time

I thought Air travel was (statistically) the safest form of travel? Surely a Lear jet is more comfortable that a fiat 500?

AndrewJRenko · 03-09-2020 02:37PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Don't accept most of the above is true. It is certainly the case that people are being forced onto bicycles. Plus just reading the posts here reveals the hostility of cyclists - and the sense of vengeance and entitlement

Were people forced onto the Luas when we built the Luas?

Meanwhile, courtesy of the best drivers in the world who don't need any more pesky regulations
https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1301452996249780224?s=19

breezy1985 · 03-09-2020 02:54PM

kenmm wrote: »

That's certainly the perception. In my experience, I know a few people that made the switch. Pattern is generally, try it a few times, first few times feel sh!t (how much depends on fitness) then things start to get better. Better health, quicker commutes, freedom to leave work when they can (not to beat 'traffic').

up until the commutes bit this reminded me of a different experience

Pinch Flat · 03-09-2020 02:57PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. Endy story. That is why, given a choice, people will prefer it. It is delusional to think otherwise. The bicycle agenda is a step backwards in time

Yeah that was me - drove a car to work up to about 10 years ago. 90 minutes (sometimes more) to cover 10 odd km and the daily hassle and expense of finding parking stopped making sense. Now it's a 30 minute bike commute and 2 hours back on my day. No one forced me either.

Idleater · 03-09-2020 04:23PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The car is the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport.

Actually thinking about this and at the risk of being off topic, I've found splurging on first class express rail to be one of the most civilised, comfortable and safest mode of transport. TGV, Eurostar, ICE, etc.

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 05:04PM

isn't the hovercraft the safest form of transport yet invented?

and aren't cars one of the least efficient forms of transport ever invented?

Pinch Flat · 03-09-2020 05:12PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

isn't the hovercraft the safest form of transport yet invented?

and aren't cars one of the least efficient forms of transport ever invented?

Bloody hovercraftists.

Tea drinker · 03-09-2020 05:54PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you think it's the right thing for pedestrians to be insured, given that they can cause collisions by walking out in front of vehicles or cyclists?

Maybe? I'm not convinced they have the same exposure as cyclists and vehicular traffic. I've said before all road users should be forced into a classroom to do a few hours course every 5 years, on learning the road with other users perspective, and that includes pedestrians. But then I was laughed at because boardsies. Nevermind saving lives or from an economic perspective huge lost revenue due to early death of a person.

Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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