Are people more publica talking about money these days?

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 05:39AM #1

It's advice my father didn't just give me but instructed and insisted i follow.

It was also the fact that is is taboo....but not only that....

He considered it naive. He thought restaurants that showed prices were dumb. People should find out when the get the bill...and then they have to pay...instead of ordering the cheapest dish. They have to ask ..or more likely just order. Its business sense.

He didn't understand why shops showed prices ....it would encourage people to buy more if they just found out after they rung it up at the till. And it would save people having to put prices up.

I find people more and more are talking about their salaries ...their mortgage. And i find it ....naive. I mean they are spilling information that is useful to people.

People who just buy a new car ....and put it on fb ...then it gets stolen etc

Or someone who wins the lotto and has a huge party but then complains when people come begging for money!

Are the new generation just a bit daft?

If someone is more interested in what you earn more than you are ...its a red flag. There is a reason some people want to know how much money you have. And its not in your best interests.

And don't trust that because someone tells you what they earn you can trust them with that info.....they are telling you for you to return the favor ..and they can totally be misleading you in what they earn.

People will make money decisions for you .....distant family members will make decisions about your money ....people will interpret your actions more as arrogant. You will come off an idiot. People don't actually LIKE people with money ..they like money. They will like you LESS. People HATE the rich. Deep down.

I guess we look less in the mirror as to how we are seen by others these days but are just itching to post it all on social media for the ego boost. Buts not serving us.

Quantum Erasure · 02-09-2020 05:52AM

Never discuss salary with your coworkers, it upsets your paymaster

Tell me how · 02-09-2020 05:53AM

Did you ever ask your father, what would he have done if he ordered and ate a meal, and when it came time to pay, it was £31 for a sandwich, £17 for a portion of chips, and £9 for a glass of tap water, would he have paid for it?

Feisar · 02-09-2020 05:57AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Never discuss salary with your coworkers, it upsets your paymaster

The trades have no bother chatting about rates however with workers in suits it seems a no no.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 05:58AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Did you ever ask your father, what would he have done if he ordered and ate a meal, and when it came time to pay, it was £31 for a sandwich, £17 for a portion of chips, and £9 for a glass of tap water, would he have paid for it?

no...either he can afford it ...and he doesn't have to ask ..or he can't in which case he oughta know not to eat there and waste the owners time and space.

Tell me how · 02-09-2020 06:01AM

Feisar wrote: »

The trades have no bother chatting about rates however with workers in suits it seems a no no.

Trades are usually union negotiated or, the union rate is a widely known benchmark.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:01AM

Feisar wrote: »

The trades have no bother chatting about rates

Why would they do this? it gives the opportunity for someone else to undercut you?

Tell me how · 02-09-2020 06:01AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

no...either he can afford it ...and he doesn't have to ask ..or he can't in which case he oughta know not to eat there and waste the owners time and space.

But how does he know whether he can afford it or not if the price isn't advertised?

joeguevara · 02-09-2020 06:01AM

Is your basic premise that displaying of prices is a relatively new thing?

Do you honestly think that markets, taverns, inns did not show prices and people only found out at the point of payment?

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:02AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Trades are usually union negotiated or, the union rate is a widely known benchmark.

This is true ...my dad once negotiated rates on behalf of unions ..then switched sides.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:05AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Is your basic premise that displaying of prices is a relatively new thing?

Do you honestly think that markets, taverns, inns did not show prices and people only found out at the point of payment?

It is actually and in some countries ...like arabic ones ..its still not done.

My premise is ...no not MY premise ...my father's....that its not good business sense

Also my moms brother used to say ....NEVER ask the shop worker the price of something unless you seriously intend to buy it. He said it was the HEIGHT of bad manners. Very rude to waste their time.

Its stuck with me. If i ask the price ...or take up any time of a shop worker. I buy. they are not there to entertain me.

In some countries looking at things in shops too much and not buying is actually considered rude too. It gives them the wrong impression.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:08AM

Anyway its kind of a boring thread. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Feisar · 02-09-2020 06:11AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Anyway its kind of a boring thread. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Nah, you started it, now you have to buy into it.

Tell me how · 02-09-2020 06:11AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Anyway its kind of a boring thread. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It's your thread.
And you are correct.

joeguevara · 02-09-2020 06:15AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It is actually and in some countries ...like arabic ones ..its still not done.

My premise is ...no not MY premise ...my father's....that its not good business sense

Also my moms brother used to say ....NEVER ask the shop worker the price of something unless you seriously intend to buy it. He said it was the HEIGHT of bad manners. Very rude to waste their time.

Its stuck with me. If i ask the price ...or take up any time of a shop worker. I buy. they are not there to entertain me.

In some countries looking at things in shops too much and not buying is actually considered rude too. It gives them the wrong impression.

When you say Arabic markets don’t display price are you talking about tourist markets or actual food and commodity markets for the locals.

Apologies for saying it but you have used two family members as the basis for your belief. Every hotel in Ireland had a tariff and was on public display. Are you honestly saying that people who stayed had no idea what there Bill would be?

Actually have no idea where you are getting this from.

Have a look at the ad for the titanic. Prices displayed

_Brian · 02-09-2020 06:16AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

no...either he can afford it ...and he doesn't have to ask ..or he can't in which case he oughta know not to eat there and waste the owners time and space.

Generational idiocy is a real thing you know.

If you have children, have your oh give them their financial advice.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:40AM

_Brian wrote: »

Generational idiocy is a real thing you know.

If you have children, have your oh give them their financial advice.

Obviously I don't take it as professional advice!

But erm ...family matters....family chatters.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:41AM

Tell me how wrote: »

It's your thread.
And you are correct.

Give me one point for self awareness. Like self awareness out of ten.

ILoveYourVibes · 02-09-2020 06:47AM

imma bail on my own thread ......

Irish_peppa · 02-09-2020 06:56AM

Spoke about my wages ONCE to a colleague. I was new but had been given some extra tasks and had excelled at my job in just a few weeks which was mentioned by management (i was transferred to this new establishment on request). A part time colleague that worked 1 or 2 days a week asked about my hourly pay in a very cute round about way one lunch break. I told him and that was that. (i was relatively new and gave the info as i wanted of course to be open and be liked :rolleyes:. Few hours later manager calls me aside. "Where you discussing hourly payments with XXX" the managers were not very happy. Transpired my colleague had ended up telling another part time worker and were demanding wage increases and asking why the new guy got more money and they would of been happy to do the extra tasks I had been given. Not only that, they ended up leaving in a huff when demands were not met. Unbeknown to me that part time worker was related to one of the company owners and had been there 10 years so the whole thing was a mess.
I was told not to discuss wages with the replacements or anyone else ever again.
Never made that error again.

Gregor Samsa · 02-09-2020 08:59AM

I don’t think your Dad’s opinion on prices makes any sense. Secret pricing may appear to benefit the business, certainly not the consumer. But then each business would also be the victim of secret pricing too, so really it wouldn’t benefit anyone. Imagine a shop going to their supplier and picking up the stock they need and THEN being told what the price was once they had it loaded in the van Or getting contractors in to build something and THEN being told how much it costs. People, and businesses, need to know ho much something will cost them up front so they can budget.

As for not talking about wages, the only beneficiary of that is the employer. Twice in my career I’ve found out the wages of my peers, and twice I’ve been able to use that information to get a significant raise. Keeping everyone in the dark allows companies to basically make it out to everyone that they’re doing pretty good compared to their peers, and discourage them from looking for more. The Civil Service and local government don’t have that issue - rates are standardised for position and tenure, and they’re public knowledge. Takes the cloak and dagger out of wage negotiations.

lawred2 · 02-09-2020 09:01AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

no...either he can afford it ...and he doesn't have to ask ..or he can't in which case he oughta know not to eat there and waste the owners time and space.

Logic fail

Mr. CooL ICE · 02-09-2020 09:13AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

imma bail on my own thread ......

Ah, don't. You're great craic

If I look for a new job, is it bad manners to ask how much I would get paid? Should I just accept the new job, give in my notice in my current job, then just accept whatever the pay is? Like, I don't want to be rude.

Gregor Samsa · 02-09-2020 09:15AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It is actually and in some countries ...like arabic ones ..its still not done.

Arab countries tend to have a culture of haggling. They display a price, or you ask them what it is, and then you feign absolute disgust at the thought of paying it. This goes back and forth until you reach an agreement. So they very much talk about prices. I get the impression from the rest of your posts that your farther would see this as an extremely vulgar public performance to be avoided at all costs.

I’m still not sure how how he gets out of the fact that if no-one mentions price in any way until after the goods are received or service rendered, you stand a very, very high chance of paying more than you intended, and have no comeback.

Geuze · 02-09-2020 09:22AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It's advice my father didn't just give me but instructed and insisted i follow.

It was also the fact that is is taboo....but not only that....

He considered it naive. He thought restaurants that showed prices were dumb. People should find out when the get the bill...and then they have to pay...instead of ordering the cheapest dish. They have to ask ..or more likely just order. Its business sense.

He didn't understand why shops showed prices ....it would encourage people to buy more if they just found out after they rung it up at the till. And it would save people having to put prices up.

When we compare your father's opinion on whether or not to display prices, against the behaviour of thousands of stores across dozens of countries over hundreds of years, it is easy to conclude who is correct.

Geuze · 02-09-2020 09:24AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Also my moms brother used to say ....NEVER ask the shop worker the price of something unless you seriously intend to buy it. He said it was the HEIGHT of bad manners. Very rude to waste their time.

This statement is false.

It is not bad manners to ask the price of something.

Wanderer78 · 02-09-2020 09:29AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

It's advice my father didn't just give me but instructed and insisted i follow.

No offence meant, but I think your father's views were a little odd, people need to know the value of things, for various reasons, our economic systems need it to function, even while being extremely dysfunctional themselves

Real Life · 02-09-2020 09:30AM

Shops or Restaurants not displaying prices sounds dumb to me, maybe your father didn't know what he was talking about. I think a lot of people wouldn't bother shopping or eating somewhere that didn't show what they would have to pay.

Not letting people know your wages or how much savings you have etc I can get behind but not businesses showing no prices and then giving it at the end, seems like they're tricking you into it. You'd have a to of people leaving things back in shops. Not a chance it would work.

Wanderer78 · 02-09-2020 09:31AM

Real Life wrote:

Not letting people know your wages or how much savings you have etc I can get behind but not businesses showing no prices and then giving it at the end, seems like they're tricking you into it. You'd have a to of people leaving things back in shops. Not a chance it would work.

None disclosure of wages is causing issues though

joeguevara · 02-09-2020 09:47AM

The OP has two completely different points raised.

If we take the public display of price, it’s a basic fundamental of contract law that the customer knows the price. It’s called the invitation to treat. If you look at the founding precedents in contract law, every decision was based on a public display of price. The two most well known are a fur coat and a flick knife. As far as I can remember the flick price case was in the 50s and first coat earlier. Now, they were based on an incorrect price but show that a price was displayed. If no price was known for a meal etc then the customer could simply pay what they thought was fair and owner would have no comeback.

In fact I think people from a much older era would consider it daft to consume a service without knowing cost. Obviously daily essentials were fixed price e.g, milk, potatoes, meat.

Now the second point about discussing personal finances is separate.

Are people more publica talking about money these days?

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