2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

crisco10 · 31-08-2020 12:41PM

Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020

That's impossible to carry out in his 2nd term. Given it wouldn't start until 2021.

31-08-2020 12:46PM

In stranger news, Herman Cain continues to tweet beyond the grave and downplays the coronavirus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-twitter-coronavirus-death-claim-republican-cdc-figures-a9696966.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1598873602

weisses · 31-08-2020 12:47PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you don't know his policies and couldn't care less it seems.

Just another Trump obsessed keyboard person.

It doesn't matter who will be in the white house from November as long as it is not Trump or any other republican for that matter ( GOP need to do some serious reforming before given the keys to the WH again)

I rather have a syphilis infected baboon in charge then the current occupant

Anyone with a functioning brain would IMHO.

Not obsessed with Trump just worried with the trajectory the US has taken with this sad excuse for a human being in charge.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 12:51PM

crisco10 wrote: »

That's impossible to carry out in his 2nd term. Given it wouldn't start until 2021.

Keep an eye for the Cambridge one around March on it's current schedule, just taking the word of people I know who work in that industry. Not a guarantee, but it's looking the most promising of the lot - talk of the US one (can't think of the name off hand) on the other hand, has supposedly gone quite quiet in terms of scaling up labs etc for production and whatnot. A lot of places even in Ireland have began to scale up their production of other drugs immensely in order to have a stockpile that will allow them to focus more heavily on the vaccine when it comes available, which is another good sign.

Anyone who claims anything is coming out this side of Christmas (never mind Halloween) on current evidence and progress available however, is I have been told, completely and utterly lying.

Tell me how · 31-08-2020 12:52PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Here you go:

Jesus.
That's borderline embarrassing for someone 4 years in the job. No white papers or links or content as to how or why these things are going to be achieved.

What about this one 'Teach American Exceptionalism'.
Reads like something out of China or North Korea...... actually, that's probably where he got the idea.

Or what about this one. 'Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States' How does this fit with his 500B bailout which was doled out by Steve Mnuchin just a couple months ago with no congressional oversight.

The fcuk is this supposed to mean 'Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System'?

Pity this one 'Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans' wasn't a focus when Saudi Arabia were killing an dismembering an America Citizen.

The Native Americans will be particularly interested in this one, 'Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and Cleanest Air'. I wonder will that mean the Dakota Access Pipeline project will be halted and reversed.

I repeat, embarrassing for anyone wanting to be considered for the role of President of the US. For someone 4 years in the job, it should be enough to disqualify them to be so clueless.

Outlaw Pete · 31-08-2020 12:54PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Using your logic , If a terminally ill person was murdered in their home by a burglar , the burglar is not responsible because they were terminal anyway.

No, that is not their logic at all and your analogy is absurd.

If a burglar murders someone in their home, then they have murdered someone in their home, obviously, and so you have loaded your analogy from the start with a point which is being disputed, but you knew that.

A better burglar analogy would be that a burglar breaks into someone's home (who only has days to live) and whilst they are rummaging about they manage to give the dying owner (who's fast asleep) a small paper cut. Days later the home owner dies and because the paper cut is noticed during the autopsy, they decide to mark it down as the cause of death.

Cody montana · 31-08-2020 12:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In stranger news, Herman Cain continues to tweet beyond the grave and downplays the coronavirus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-twitter-coronavirus-death-claim-republican-cdc-figures-a9696966.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1598873602

.... that killed him.

namloc1980 · 31-08-2020 01:03PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, that is not their logic at all and your analogy is absurd.

If a burglar murders someone in their home, then they have murdered someone in their home, obviously, and so you have loaded your analogy from the start with a point which is being disputed, but you knew that.

A better burglar analogy would be that a burglar breaks into someone's home (who only has days to live) and whilst they are rummaging about they manage to give the dying owner (who's fast asleep) a small paper cut. Days later the home owner dies and because the paper cut is noticed during the autopsy, they decide to mark it down as the cause of death.

That's absolutely comical in fairness.

The facts are the over 200k excess deaths have been recorded due to Covid. Whether the person who died had an underlying condition is a supplementary piece of information but not their cause of death. If some poor chap with diabetes died from Covid complications the Trump supporters are putting that down to diabetes despite it not really being a life limiting condition. Callous in the extreme.

31-08-2020 01:05PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, that is not their logic at all and your analogy is absurd.

If a burglar murders someone in their home, then they have murdered someone in their home, obviously, and so you have loaded your analogy from the start with a point which is being disputed, but you knew that.

A better burglar analogy would be that a burglar breaks into someone's home (who only has days to live) and whilst they are rummaging about they manage to give the dying owner (who's fast asleep) a small paper cut. Days later the home owner dies and because the paper cut is noticed during the autopsy, they decide to mark it down as the cause of death.

Gonna provide any proof that those people would have died if it weren't for the coronavirus. Excess deaths backup the numbers. Why must you lie?

weisses · 31-08-2020 01:09PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, that is not their logic at all and your analogy is absurd.

If a burglar murders someone in their home, then they have murdered someone in their home, obviously, and so you have loaded your analogy from the start with a point which is being disputed, but you knew that.

A better burglar analogy would be that a burglar breaks into someone's home (who only has days to live) and whilst they are rummaging about they manage to give the dying owner (who's fast asleep) a small paper cut. Days later the home owner dies and because the paper cut is noticed during the autopsy, they decide to mark it down as the cause of death.

Burglar shoots homeowner who has diabetes .... In your head the homeowner died because of diabetes ..... I get it :rolleyes:

Penn · 31-08-2020 01:32PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, that is not their logic at all and your analogy is absurd.

If a burglar murders someone in their home, then they have murdered someone in their home, obviously, and so you have loaded your analogy from the start with a point which is being disputed, but you knew that.

A better burglar analogy would be that a burglar breaks into someone's home (who only has days to live) and whilst they are rummaging about they manage to give the dying owner (who's fast asleep) a small paper cut. Days later the home owner dies and because the paper cut is noticed during the autopsy, they decide to mark it down as the cause of death.

Do you seriously think that's a good comparison? Like, actually honestly think that's a better analogy?

Just when I thought it couldn't get worse than when you tried to defend Trump being disrespectful during the national anthem by claiming he'd probably just drunk too much apple juice.

Eric Cartman · 31-08-2020 01:33PM

Igotadose wrote: »

So, following through on this line of 'reasoning', the US should make no effort to improve its response because that's just the way they are, and we should re-elect the #IMPOTUS because, well, there's nothing he can do, and after all he takes no responsibility and it is what it is? Heck, call off the election now. Or decide it in a steel-cage no-holds barred no disqualification match?

I haven't said any of that, how you took that from my post is beyond insanity. I have condemned the US response as it was lacklustre but my point was merely that the US and the UK's numbers were always going to be higher because of their 'patriotic' sense of individualism.

Even if trump called for masks day 1 you would still have thousands of people claiming it was a government conspiracy to control people. Those people are nuts and will come up with a conspiracy no matter who is president.

ohnonotgmail · 31-08-2020 01:35PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I haven't said any of that, how you took that from my post is beyond insanity. I have condemned the US response as it was lacklustre but my point was merely that the US and the UK's numbers were always going to be higher because of their 'patriotic' sense of individualism.

Even if trump called for masks day 1 you would still have thousands of people claiming it was a government conspiracy to control people. Those people are nuts and will come up with a conspiracy no matter who is president.

there are even more of them because their president has encouraged the conspiracy. so we are back to trump as a root cause.

Eric Cartman · 31-08-2020 01:37PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there are even more of them because their president has encouraged the conspiracy. so we are back to trump as a root cause.

no we are not. We get it , you hate the guy, it doesn't mean its all his fault when the country of conspiracy nuts believes a conspiracy theory.

and before you say it, I'm not saying he hasn't added to it, but root cause is cultural, not presidential.

31-08-2020 01:41PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no we are not. We get it , you hate the guy, it doesn't mean its all his fault when the country of conspiracy nuts believes a conspiracy theory.

and before you say it, I'm not saying he hasn't added to it, but root cause is cultural, not presidential.

He actively helped make things like masks into a culture war. He held rallies while a thousand people a day were dying. You're entirely downplaying his responsibility.

Tell me how · 31-08-2020 01:42PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no we are not. We get it , you hate the guy, it doesn't mean its all his fault when the country of conspiracy nuts believes a conspiracy theory.

and before you say it, I'm not saying he hasn't added to it, but root cause is cultural, not presidential.

Do you think it is possible for anyone to offer a negative opinion on Trumps performance as President for you not to see that simply being because they hate the guy?

ohnonotgmail · 31-08-2020 01:42PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no we are not. We get it , you hate the guy, it doesn't mean its all his fault when the country of conspiracy nuts believes a conspiracy theory.

and before you say it, I'm not saying he hasn't added to it, but root cause is cultural, not presidential.

trump is one of the conspiracy guys. he is the public face of it. he is encouraging conspiracy theories and you think that doesn't make him a root cause?

Eric Cartman · 31-08-2020 01:57PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you think it is possible for anyone to offer a negative opinion on Trumps performance as President for you not to see that simply being because they hate the guy?

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

31-08-2020 02:07PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Multiple health officials backup that he messed up royslly. Including not even following laid out strategy by previous governments.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/run-plays-officials-trump-administration-pandemic-playbooks/story?id=71999769

Eric Cartman · 31-08-2020 02:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Multiple health officials backup that he messed up royslly. Including not even following laid out strategy by previous governments.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/run-plays-officials-trump-administration-pandemic-playbooks/story?id=71999769

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 02:09PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Covid did not pre-date Trump.

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

extra gravy · 31-08-2020 02:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In stranger news, Herman Cain continues to tweet beyond the grave and downplays the coronavirus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-twitter-coronavirus-death-claim-republican-cdc-figures-a9696966.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1598873602

Saw this earlier, bizarre and a bit creepy.

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-08-2020 02:10PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

As the man himself said

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=20

Eric Cartman · 31-08-2020 02:10PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Covid did not pre-date Trump.

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

Occupy Wall Street had a seriously violent streak. The LA riots etc... this is nothing new for America. Social media just makes it more visible.

Theres a shocking correlation between election years where a republican is in office and street riots.

31-08-2020 02:11PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

The high numbers in large part relate to how they handled it.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 02:11PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

The problem with this is, even Trump doesn't agree with it. By his own standards, he is responsible, and his childish "I take no responsibility" cries after the fact, only show that by his own standards he does not possess leadership qualities.

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Leroy42 · 31-08-2020 02:12PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Have posters really blamed him, that seems like a nice little excuse straight out of Trumps playbook.

Nobody, for example, blames him for the virus. But they do, rightly, blame him for not only his terrible handling of it but his driving of conspiracy theories and hitting out at scientists on the basis that he knew as much as they did.

He actively made a terrible situation even worse. Whils that US was always going to suffer from the virus, he made it that during the suffering, the US itself was going to be forced into two distinct camps, rather than everyone working together.

In terms of racism, again nobody blames him for it, it is a seething sore than has been around for generations. But they do blame him for going out of his way to inflame the issues, rather than to quell them.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 02:13PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Occupy Wall Street had a seriously violent streak. The LA riots etc... this is nothing new for America. Social media just makes it more visible.

Occupy and the LA Riots also completely paled in comparison to what we have seen in 2020 under Trump - all you are showing is two more examples of protests/riots being handled better by other presidents than they have been by Trump. These are -by far, as in multiple times that of any other- the largest protests and riots seen in the entire history of the United States, and as per Trump himself (see tweet above), he is responsible for this. His handling of it has been beyond woeful, and utterly incompetent.

extra gravy · 31-08-2020 02:26PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Rubbish. Nobody here wants to see America on its knees and if Trump had handled the pandemic response and social upheaval better, I'd be the first to congratulate him even if I do dislike him as a person. The problem with most Trump supporters is that they won't accept any criticism of him even when it's justified, they just pass it off as "personal dislike". It's a lazy and simplistic attitude to have.

Outlaw Pete · 31-08-2020 02:26PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

Rose tinted glasses.

Look at 2016, BLM were doing the same crap then they are now only Obama effectively endorsed their nonsense at the time, saying all the right things, giving them legitimacy and it made no difference as many cops ended up getting executed for being white. Obama even went to those cops memorial and (in front of their families) gave a speech about racism against black people.

Trump doesn't pander to the radical left and help feed their false narratives and they can't stand it. There's been too much of that in America and it has had a hugely negative effect on all of Western Society. It doesn't help anyway. Eight years of Obama endorsing regressive leftism didn't please those people as they are insatiable when it comes to such things given they are all really just a means to an end. Identity politics is really just a tool they to undermine the values and traditions of Western Society, which is why you tend only to hear about slightings when a white person has done something wrong.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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