FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown · 29-08-2020 07:55PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

Rows Grower · 29-08-2020 08:06PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

Clear as mud, Bowie.

What is it you want?

blanch152 · 29-08-2020 08:33PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Do many politicians and EU Commissioners take court cases?

blanch152 · 29-08-2020 08:34PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

There is a huge difference between Attorney General and political advisor.

Floppybits · 29-08-2020 08:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Do many politicians and EU Commissioners take court cases?

Oh here we go again, I dont know why you behave this way are you a troll or wum?

As you well know there is a separation of powers between the executive and judiciary that is laid out in the constitution, now don't you think that would keep judges from mixing with politicians at events such as the Oireacthas golf society dinner. Were any other supreme Court judges there? No because they had the common sense not to be seen mixing with politicians or lobbyist such as Hayes, Woulfe has not shown that and also his impartiality can be questioned now.

RandomViewer · 29-08-2020 08:57PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

If he was throwing back halfs with Danny Kinahan I think there'd be questions asked so throwing back halfs with a former footsoldier of The General and a few vulture fund reps should ring the same bells?

RandomViewer · 29-08-2020 08:59PM

Bowie wrote: »

No its any FG member who admires the blueshirts and likens them to present day FG. Did you not read the tweets?

They dont call him the truthevader for nothing,

Chiparus · 29-08-2020 09:00PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

Actually he is not, hence the inquiry by the retired judge.

RandomViewer · 29-08-2020 09:05PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Woulfe gave a full bill of health to a compulsary purchase order that a number of councillors raised issues with back in 2013, he was brought in by Hogan as an impartial overseer, that would all be questionable now
https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/other/hogan-publishes-independent-review-compulsory-acquisition-land

29-08-2020 09:07PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

I wouldn't be entirely sure about that at all. Even as a lowly minion in my own engineer role the company makes us do ethics training covering how we interact with clients and colleagues.

Rows Grower · 29-08-2020 09:09PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

If he was throwing back halfs with Danny Kinahan I think there'd be questions asked so throwing back halfs with a former footsoldier of The General and a few vulture fund reps should ring the same bells?

I have no idea whatsoever what it is you are alluding to.

I never heard of the man until very recently but he's an ordinary person like the rest of us and his job doesn't dictate that he cannot be in the same room or at the same function as politicians or hedge fund managers or vulture fund managers or any other law abiding citizens.

The fact that he was there and as a group they all knowingly broke government restrictions at the time of a worldwide pandemic is a different story.

Rows Grower · 29-08-2020 09:11PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I wouldn't be entirely sure about that at all. Even as a lowly minion in my own engineer role the company makes us do ethics training covering how we interact with clients and colleagues.

And what's that got to do with the topic we are discussing?

Brendan Bendar · 30-08-2020 06:03AM

What’s with Pearse’s fine office I wonder.

€180k no borrowing and company wound up.

Not a peep from the media....

Interesting...

McMurphy · 30-08-2020 07:50AM

I see #MauriceMcCabe is trending on Twitter this morning, and not for the reasons you may think,.seems to be a lot of anger out there yet.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MauriceMcCabe?s=09

https://twitter.com/christianmorris/status/1299894345487790080?s=09

Bishop of hope · 30-08-2020 08:00AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I see #MauriceMcCabe is trending on Twitter this morning, and not for the reasons you may think,.seems to be a lot of anger out there yet.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MauriceMcCabe?s=09

Shooting your mouth off isn't always anger.
It's a nice Sunday, heading for a walk with my doggies.
Does political "anger" never take a, day off?

McMurphy · 30-08-2020 08:06AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Shooting your mouth off isn't always anger.
It's a nice Sunday, heading for a walk with my doggies.
Does political "anger" never take a, day off?

I don't think you understand how Twitter works Bish:D, but anyways, enjoy the walk with the dogs.

Hawthorn Tree · 30-08-2020 09:03AM

McCabe was let down by the state on so many fronts. He is lucky to be alive. The interview Yates did with McCabe and his wife a few months ago was powerful stuff. Compelling. I have so much admiration for that man and his long suffering family. I am not sure the rot and corruption in the Gardai has been cleaned up but it has improved.

Truthvader · 30-08-2020 10:04AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

McCabe was let down by the state on so many fronts. He is lucky to be alive. The interview Yates did with McCabe and his wife a few months ago was powerful stuff. Compelling. I have so much admiration for that man and his long suffering family. I am not sure the rot and corruption in the Gardai has been cleaned up but it has improved.

Well if we're playing the Sinn Fein comparison gane "lucky to be alive" is the key phrase. They mightn't even get the body back if there was a Sinn Fein IRA whisteblower

FrancieBrady · 30-08-2020 10:14AM

Would it be right to say the angry reaction to Frances being nominated has sent FG looking in a direction it didn't want to look in - a sitting TD (Coveney) which will require a by-election and Mairead McGuinness?

Rows Grower · 30-08-2020 11:22AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would it be right to say the angry reaction to Frances being nominated has sent FG looking in a direction it didn't want to look in - a sitting TD (Coveney) which will require a by-election and Mairead McGuinness?

If Coveney gets the gig, and he would be a great choice in my opinion, then FG will be in a bit of a dilemma who to run to take his seat because Buttimer is in still in the thick of this controversy.

Bishop of hope · 30-08-2020 11:44AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

If Coveney gets the gig, and he would be a great choice in my opinion, then FG will be in a bit of a dilemma who to run to take his seat because Buttimer is in still in the thick of this controversy.

SF topped the poll there in the election.
Would that have been the case if candidates were reduced?
Either FF or SF most likely to win that by-election if Coveney goes I reckon.

Hawthorn Tree · 30-08-2020 11:46AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Well if we're playing the Sinn Fein comparison gane "lucky to be alive" is the key phrase. They mightn't even get the body back if there was a Sinn Fein IRA whisteblower

I wasn't playing any Sinn Fein comparison, whatever than means. Is your brain capable of any other automated but idiotic response? If you dont understand the reference with McCabe, just ask.

Hawthorn Tree · 30-08-2020 11:48AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

If Coveney gets the gig, and he would be a great choice in my opinion, then FG will be in a bit of a dilemma who to run to take his seat because Buttimer is in still in the thick of this controversy.

Cork TDs are letting their constituents down a lot lately. There must be loads of anger still over the Dara Murphy antics.

Truthvader · 30-08-2020 12:02PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I wasn't playing any Sinn Fein comparison, whatever than means. Is your brain capable of any other automated but idiotic response? If you dont understand the reference with McCabe, just ask.

Because only an idiot would mention all the crime and thuggery

Hawthorn Tree · 30-08-2020 12:19PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Because only an idiot would mention all the crime and thuggery

Here is my original post

McCabe was let down by the state on so many fronts. He is lucky to be alive. The interview Yates did with McCabe and his wife a few months ago was powerful stuff. Compelling. I have so much admiration for that man and his long suffering family. I am not sure the rot and corruption in the Gardai has been cleaned up but it has improved.

Educate yourself

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-whistleblower-maurice-mccabes-wife-feared-he-would-kill-himself-885008.html

The wife of Garda whistleblower Maurice McCabe has said she was afraid her husband would kill himself over false allegations of sexual assault.

“We put all the kids to bed and I told Lorraine in the sitting room and I broke down,” he said. “She hugged me and she cried and that’s how I told her.”

Lorraine McCabe said: “I knew it was wrong but it doesn’t make it any easier. I was afraid he would take his own life.”

The Disclosures Tribunal found former Garda commissioner Martin Callinan was part of a “campaign of calumny” against Mr McCabe, aided by his former press officer, Superintendent David Taylor.

Mr McCabe said the allegations by a girl, known as Ms D, “completely changed our family life, completely”.

“I didn’t bath the kids ever again, or wash them,” he said.

“I wouldn’t be here if there were visitors with their children, I’d always have something to do or somewhere to go.”

Your 2 responses look very foolish now, don't they?

James Brown · 30-08-2020 12:39PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Well if we're playing the Sinn Fein comparison gane "lucky to be alive" is the key phrase. They mightn't even get the body back if there was a Sinn Fein IRA whisteblower

We're not.

RandomViewer · 30-08-2020 12:45PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I wasn't playing any Sinn Fein comparison, whatever than means. Is your brain capable of any other automated but idiotic response? If you dont understand the reference with McCabe, just ask.

The Truthevader is a former guard, gets very worked up when you mention corruption in the Garda , seem to have similar attitude as the Church to members doing bad things,

McMurphy · 30-08-2020 12:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would it be right to say the angry reaction to Frances being nominated has sent FG looking in a direction it didn't want to look in - a sitting TD (Coveney) which will require a by-election and Mairead McGuinness?

It's going pretty much exactly how I thought it might when I heard she (Fitzgerald) was to be considered a nomination.

Lots of twitter users this morning linking the infamous emails and various other aspects of the Maurice McCabe scandal directly to Ursala von der Leyen.

Truthvader · 30-08-2020 12:48PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Here is my original post

Educate yourself

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-whistleblower-maurice-mccabes-wife-feared-he-would-kill-himself-885008.html

Your 2 responses look very foolish now, don't they?

No you're just not able to keep up. McCabe was treated very badly by the guards as a result of his decision to tell the truth. Ultimately he was vindicated. Eamonn Collins told the truth about Sinn Fein IRA and ultimately was vindi..... Oh no , they found his body beaten to death on a border road. Gettit now?

Bannasidhe · 30-08-2020 12:50PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

SF topped the poll there in the election.
Would that have been the case if candidates were reduced?
Either FF or SF most likely to win that by-election if Coveney goes I reckon.

I know CSC well and I can't see FF taking 3 seats there. I can actually see Martin struggle to hold his seat.

SF were always in a strong position to take the old 'Labour' seat. There was always a strong left of centre voting bloc in CSC and Labour urinated it away. Now SF are attracting many of those voters, plus disaffected FFers (e.g. my 86 year old Mam).

SF have a shot at 2 but FG should hold it if they run the right candidate - not Buttimer, he was already a busted flush before he went to play golf.

Personally I would like to see the SDs take it , I can't really see that happening - but they did pull off a surprise in West Cork so it's not impossible if they garner the Green vote plus the 'want an alternative but can't stomach SF' vote.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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