2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

dwayneshintzy · 30-08-2020 07:06AM

Biker79 wrote: »

100%.

Been working on a response all day. Actually, I have a whole team on it right now.

Where is it then?

Think you might be mistaking smugness for wit and intelligence.

dwayneshintzy · 30-08-2020 07:11AM

AllForIt wrote: »

Apparently, and someone may have mentioned this already, but Hillary was as far ahead in the polls as Biden is now this time 4 years ago.

And this is a concern for the Dems, because I think 4 years ago there were ppl who would not admit voting for Trump back then, or at least changed their minds on election day at the last minute.

So, given the way polls have been so wrong in recent years, even if Biden wins, he won't win by as much as the polls say today, imo. It might be as tight as the Gore/Bush election. I just can't see Biden winning by a landslide.

538 poll aggregation;

Aug. 28th, 2016 - Clinton 43.2%, Trump 37.5%(Link)
Aug. 28th, 2020 - Biden 50.8%, Trump 42.2% (Link)

538 also had it down as a 3.9% lead for Clinton on election day, when she won the popular vote by 2.1%. That's within the margin of error, so I don't see how they were "so wrong" about anything.

Leroy42 · 30-08-2020 07:15AM

da_miser wrote: »

This has become a vote for or against Evil, Trump will win , and will win in a big way, a landslide is coming, no if, ands or buts about it.
Vote Dems, get chaos and antifa, or vote Trump and get law & order & prosperty.
Chicago , the home of Obama, has shown the USA the future under Dem rule, a total disaster, the vote will be a total Trump Victory.
RFK JR is now on the Trump Train, unthinkable a few months ago, Total Trump victory is a certainty, bet accordantly.

You do realise that Trump currently is, and has been for almost 4 years, POTUS?

We don't have to wonder if law and order breaks down under Trump, we see it everyday

Tell me how · 30-08-2020 07:19AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299794566376120320

Circa 20M people have protested.
Circa 10K people have been arrested.

That's 0.05%
That means 99.95% people who have protested have not been arrested.

What percentage of a group need to engage in a specific activity for, in your view, it to be said that that all people associated with that group are guilty of the same activity or frame of mind?

Kidchameleon · 30-08-2020 08:14AM

U.S. planning to cut military presence in Iraq

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-reduce-troop-level-iraq-3500-5200/story?id=72681778

The United States is planning to decrease its military presence in Iraq. According to military officials, the U.S. will reduce its number of troops from 5,200 to 3,500 in the region.

President Trump: "We were there, and now we’re getting out," he told reporters. "We’ll be leaving shortly."

The is great news for us all, Biden supporters and Trump supporters alike. I think we can all agree with the push to end counter insurgency. This will win Trump votes no doubt.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 10:21AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

U.S. planning to cut military presence in Iraq

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-reduce-troop-level-iraq-3500-5200/story?id=72681778

The United States is planning to decrease its military presence in Iraq. According to military officials, the U.S. will reduce its number of troops from 5,200 to 3,500 in the region.

President Trump: "We were there, and now we’re getting out," he told reporters. "We’ll be leaving shortly."

The is great news for us all, Biden supporters and Trump supporters alike. I think we can all agree with the push to end counter insurgency. This will win Trump votes no doubt.

I know Americans who were against the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan who are now angry of Trump disengaging from the Middle East, they were also sore he didn't take out Assad.

Trump derangement syndrome.

extra gravy · 30-08-2020 10:43AM

Apparently Trump is going to visit Kenosha on Tuesday. That's just what they need, that clown stoking the fire even more

Leroy42 · 30-08-2020 10:49AM

It just goes to highlight the complexity, and confusion, over US foreign policy.

They want the largest, most advanced and most expensive military in the world, yet they don't want to engage in any fighting
They want to tell other countries what to do and when do do it, including who to run the country, but don't want to get involved
They want their troops out spreading democracy, but don't want their troops in harms way.
They want to pick sides in foreign conflicts, but baulk at the idea of selling arms.
Some of their biggest companies are based on producing arms.
They believe that guns make people safe, but anyone with a gun (that is not American) is a terrorist.

They want to disengage from the ME, except for Israel where they cheer when actively siding with Israel and giving billions each year in aid.

Basically, the average American has no idea what the hell they country is up to, the problems they cause, the effects they have abroad, or the damage and chaos they leave behind.

Many would think that the US military is the best in the world, despite the numerous and consistent failures, but they believe the hyoe that the administration (or both hues) prefer to spread.

So they want a POTUS that brings their troops home, but cheer when he spends $50bn a year extra on the military.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 10:50AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Apparently Trump is going to visit Kenosha on Tuesday. That's just what they need, that clown stoking the fire even more

People there need reassurance that the Country is not forgetting them in their hour of need. Leaving their lives and futures to be burnt out by a mob.

They have burnt out or robbed as much as they can at this stage.

Gerry Hatrick · 30-08-2020 10:53AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Apparently Trump is going to visit Kenosha on Tuesday. That's just what they need, that clown stoking the fire even more

He goes "He's stoking the fires"

He doesn't go "He doesn't care about poor black people"

Leftie logic 101.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 10:54AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It just goes to highlight the complexity, and confusion, over US foreign policy.

They want the largest, most advanced and most expensive military in the world, yet they don't want to engage in any fighting
They want to tell other countries what to do and when do do it, including who to run the country, but don't want to get involved
They want their troops out spreading democracy, but don't want their troops in harms way.
They want to pick sides in foreign conflicts, but baulk at the idea of selling arms.
Some of their biggest companies are based on producing arms.
They believe that guns make people safe, but anyone with a gun (that is not American) is a terrorist.

They want to disengage from the ME, except for Israel where they cheer when actively siding with Israel and giving billions each year in aid.

Basically, the average American has no idea what the hell they country is up to, the problems they cause, the effects they have abroad, or the damage and chaos they leave behind.

Many would think that the US military is the best in the world, despite the numerous and consistent failures, but they believe the hyoe that the administration (or both hues) prefer to spread.

So they want a POTUS that brings their troops home, but cheer when he spends $50bn a year extra on the military.

It is complex but at it's heart most Americans do not want a military adventurer as President and Trump is the first one in many decades who is not.

Many people who also do not want that are making sounds opposite that cause Trump etc etc.

Leroy42 · 30-08-2020 10:56AM

Danzy wrote: »

People there need reassurance that the Country is not forgetting them in their hour of need. Leaving their lives and futures to be burnt out by a mob.

They have burnt out or robbed as much as they can at this stage.

I totally agree. It is well past time that the leader of the country took an active role in this, and other areas, rather than hiding behind the 'blame the governor' line.

That might be technically true, but a strong leader can push things certain ways, and as you say by visiting the place he can give the people hope and a sense that America is in this together.

This is a significant change from his approach to date, preferring to let the people suffer and blame others. Perhaps they have realised that by playing the role of a leader it could actually make people think he has some leadership qualities.

I do wonder will he stick to blaming the rioters for everything or will he address the recent murders by a Trump supporter openly carry an assault weapon?

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 10:56AM

Danzy wrote: »

People there need reassurance that the Country is not forgetting them in their hour of need. Leaving their lives and futures to be burnt out by a mob.

They have burnt out or robbed as much as they can at this stage.

There hasn't been violence there since the night the Trump supporter killed 2 people there. Even the local news source have more urgent things to report on.

.

Leroy42 · 30-08-2020 10:57AM

Danzy wrote: »

It is complex but at it's heart most Americans do not want a military adventurer as President and Trump is the first one in many decades who is not.

Many people who also do not want that are making sounds opposite that cause Trump etc etc.

What 'adventures' did Obama have?

Trump fired missiles into Syria and threatened to nuke NK.

Cody montana · 30-08-2020 10:58AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

He goes "He's stoking the fires"

He doesn't go "He doesn't care about poor black people"

Leftie logic 101.

Well, he doesn’t.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 11:02AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There hasn't been violence there since the night the Trump supporter killed 2 people there. Even the local news source have more urgent things to report on.

.

Like I said they have burnt and robbed as .much as they can.

People there will still want to see the country standing by them, federal aid to rebuild, national Guard to step in. Federal charges to be pursued against the criminals.

Many of the federal offenses carry 20 year minimum sentences.

As well as that it is an election year and he'll want to point and say look what Joe's buddies did.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 11:04AM

Danzy wrote: »

Like I said they have burnt and robbed as .much as they can.

People there will still want to see the country standing by them, federal aid to rebuild, national Guard to step in. Federal charges to be pursued against the criminals.

Many of the federal offenses carry 20 year minimum sentences.

As well as that it is an election year and he'll want to point and say look what Joe's buddies did.

The cognitive dissonance is strong here. Do you have evidence that these people are buddies of Biden? And surely by that logic the Trump supporter who murdered 2 people there is a buddy of Trump??

gmisk · 30-08-2020 11:05AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Ok, time to call it.
Trump will lose.

I honestly wouldn't.
It is is still very tight in a lot of swing states.
I think a lot more people will vote for trump but wouldn't be willing to admit it to pollsters.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 11:07AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

I totally agree. It is well past time that the leader of the country took an active role in this, and other areas, rather than hiding behind the 'blame the governor' line.

That might be technically true, but a strong leader can push things certain ways, and as you say by visiting the place he can give the people hope and a sense that America is in this together.

This is a significant change from his approach to date, preferring to let the people suffer and blame others. Perhaps they have realised that by playing the role of a leader it could actually make people think he has some leadership qualities.

I do wonder will he stick to blaming the rioters for everything or will he address the recent murders by a Trump supporter openly carry an assault weapon?

There are Federal charges being brought against circa 80 people in Portland now, more to come.

The minimum sentences for the charges, as they are Federal ones vary from 10 to 20 years.

That's significant and they are only getting started.

Outside of all that he knows that this is an issue he can win on.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 11:11AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The cognitive dissonance is strong here. Do you have evidence that these people are buddies of Biden? And surely by that logic the Trump supporter who murdered 2 people there is a buddy of Trump??

No, he will call them Joe's buddies and the wishy washy approach, the Democratic leadership not distancing itself from the ideological whack jobs in their party will play in to that. Joe Biden should have been demanding that the national Guard go into Kenosha days ago.

It's about perception.

extra gravy · 30-08-2020 11:11AM

Danzy wrote: »

People there need reassurance that the Country is not forgetting them in their hour of need. Leaving their lives and futures to be burnt out by a mob.

They have burnt out or robbed as much as they can at this stage.

And you think Trump is the man to give reassurance? Will it be like the "reassurance" he gave the country when he repeatedly said that covid was nothing to worry about and would just disappear?

Carfacemandog · 30-08-2020 11:13AM

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

Biker79 stay out of this thread.

I wonder which new/dormant account is going to mysteriously become far, far more active on the thread over the next few days...

extra gravy · 30-08-2020 11:14AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

He goes "He's stoking the fires"

He doesn't go "He doesn't care about poor black people"

Leftie logic 101.

What's a "leftie"? We already know that the only person he cares about is himself so it's best he stays away and doesn't say anything stupid or divisive as he's prone to do every time he opens his big mouth.

Danzy · 30-08-2020 11:15AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Ok, time to call it.

Trump will lose.

It's looking like a close loss but don't underestimate the Democratic party or Joe Biden's ability to deliver for him.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 11:16AM

extra gravy wrote: »

And you think Trump is the man to give reassurance? Will it be like the "reassurance" he gave the country when he repeatedly said that covid was nothing to worry about and would just disappear?

Based on the RNC Trump and the republicans are now essentially pretending that Covid-19 has gone away. Over 4,000 Americans died during the RNC of Covid but like Trump himself said I guess "it is what it is".

Danzy · 30-08-2020 11:21AM

extra gravy wrote: »

And you think Trump is the man to give reassurance? Will it be like the "reassurance" he gave the country when he repeatedly said that covid was nothing to worry about and would just disappear?

He just has to be more reassuring on it than his opponent.

That isn't going to take much.

Even the most disingenuous attempt will be better than what Joe will do. Joe has left himself be pigeonholed on this and that can't be undone at this point.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 11:27AM

Danzy wrote: »

He just has to be more reassuring on it than his opponent.

That isn't going to take much.

Even the most disingenuous attempt will be better than what Joe will do. Joe has left himself be pigeonholed on this and that can't be undone at this point.[

This is all fantasy and made up in your head. And again I think it's important to remind the Trumpists that Trump is actually the President here. This chaos has happened and is happening on his watch. Amazing that this has to be said but it seems like a few on here are pretending Trump isn't even the President.

30-08-2020 11:33AM

da_miser wrote: »

RFK JR is now on the Trump Train, unthinkable a few months ago, Total Trump victory is a certainty, bet accordantly.

RFK Jnr is a bit of a lunatic and antivaxxer. So not exactly valuable or interesting.

Danzy wrote: »

He just has to be more reassuring on it than his opponent.

That isn't going to take much.

Even the most disingenuous attempt will be better than what Joe will do. Joe has left himself be pigeonholed on this and that can't be undone at this point.

I'm seeing the most social instability in America's history under Trump's watch and pretending this has nothing to do with his rhetoric is dishonest. He actively tries to inflame it on a regular basis.

Kidchameleon · 30-08-2020 11:38AM

I think if the Kenosha shootings are going to be discussed, it is important to understand the backgrounds of those who died. We need to know if Rittenhouse genuinely felt his life was in danger. This knowledge will help us understand the situation better. I am not saying anyone deserved to die. On the contrary, I think it is a terrible tragedy what has happened. Three lives ruined. It appears to me that the two men who died posed a considerable danger to Rittenhouse. Did he know about their backgrounds at the time? Possibly not but their penchant for violence would undoubtedly have been evident on the night. These were extremely evil and violent men...

Anthony Huber

Armed with “nothing but his skateboard.” Described as “sweet and loving” despite years of domestic violence, false imprisonment, and use of a deadly weapon charges.
Huber was a felon and couldn’t have legally carried a gun. But he had his skateboard and he used it to crack Rittenhouse on the head and shoulder.

https://concealednation.org/2020/08/cnn-anthony-huber-only-had-a-skateboard/

Take a look at this guys charge sheet:

Joseph Rosenbaum

A convicted pedophile, spent time in prison for the sexual abuse of a minor:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/

Whilst in prison, he racked up a huge list of violent infractions including:

Assault, possession of drugs, arson, weapons manufacturing, assault with weapon...

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 11:43AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think if the Kenosha shootings are going to be discussed, it is important to understand the backgrounds of those who died. We need to know if Rittenhouse genuinely felt his life was in danger. This knowledge will help us understand the situation better. I am not saying anyone deserved to die. On the contrary, I think it is a terrible tragedy what has happened. Three lives ruined. It appears to me that the two men who died posed a considerable danger to Rittenhouse. Did he know about their backgrounds at the time? Possibly not but their penchant for violence would undoubtedly have been evident on the night. These were extremely evil and violent men...

Anthony Huber

Armed with “nothing but his skateboard.” Described as “sweet and loving” despite years of domestic violence, false imprisonment, and use of a deadly weapon charges.
Huber was a felon and couldn’t have legally carried a gun. But he had his skateboard and he used it to crack Rittenhouse on the head and shoulder.

https://concealednation.org/2020/08/cnn-anthony-huber-only-had-a-skateboard/

Take a look at this guys charge sheet:

Joseph Rosenbaum

A convicted pedophile, spent time in prison for the sexual abuse of a minor:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/

Whilst in prison, he racked up a huge list of violent infractions including:

Assault, possession of drugs, arson, weapons manufacturing, assault with weapon...

This is an epic strawman you've created. None of the above is relevant in any way to what the Trump supporting shooter did in murdering 2 people. There truly are no depths that Trumpists won't go to.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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