2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Gruffalox wrote: »

You obviously do not read very well. I have no devotion to Trump. I don't watch tv, never seen a youtube of him, catch up on the very odd article here and there. Don't give a flying fcuk about him, but the anthropological observation is interesting. I do notice he did not start overseas wars. Unlike Obama. But anyway.

And if you are looking for projection from back in 2016...sorry, that is just too funny.

So you know almost nothing about him, yet find it odd that people have such opinions about him?

Do you not think it worthwhile to do some investigation to try to understand why people have such opinions, rather than simply be amused that people have opinions.

What wars did Obama start?

Gruffalox wrote: »

They are not immensely better. They are as bad to the other extreme. All of them with some notable exceptions on both sides are very embarrassing human beings.

Fine, but this is a thread about the two candidates for POTUS.

We have plenty of examples of Trump being a terrible person.

What examples do you have that Biden is the same?

Gruffalox wrote: »

I know enough about them. It is fecking inescapable.

Obama was not a peace maker. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

But did he start any wars as you claimed? What makes you think Trump is a "peacemaker"?

Gruffalox wrote: »

Tara Reade says he digitally raped her. Kamala used to believe the women who said Biden was a sex pest.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52462113

Reade has changed here story a few times though. That's not a great sign.

Gruffalox wrote: »

Tara Reade says he digitally raped her. Kamala used to believe the women who said Biden was a sex pest.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52462113

So we have an accusation, which Biden has said is untrue but that she should lay out her evidence so that he can deal with it.

ON the other hand you have Trump, who on one, I repeat one of the accusations, restored that the women was too ugly for him so it could be dismissed!

But you equate Biden with Trump? One has multiple accusations, including raping his own wife, we know he paid off a porn star and a Plyboy model to keep quite about extra martial affairs.

But to you they are the same?

Leroy42 wrote: »

Fine, but this is a thread about the two candidates for POTUS.

We have plenty of examples of Trump being a terrible person.

What examples do you have that Biden is the same?

Been mentioned before Im sure but he hasn't had very PC views on race relations or integration evidenced back in the late 70's basically saying that busing for the purpose of desegregation would cause his children to ‘grow up in a racial jungle.

Got the Quote, "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point."

Gruffalox wrote: »

Libya was a starter but then he thought whoops and withdrew to leave it descend into the chaos it knows now. For example.

So you think that Obama started a war in Libya? Is that really what you are posting here?

Then, under that logic, Trump started a war in Syria when he fired those missiles.

Gruffalox wrote: »

I never excused Trump for anything. People seem to have reading difficulties. You asked for an example of Biden doing what you say Trump does and I gave an example of one of many women who say he molested them, in this particular incidence raping her with his finger. But the Biden boys don't believe her. Anyway I have work to do. Best of luck with your lousy lad. May one of the two elderly groping lousers win!

This is your post;

Gruffalox wrote: »

You obviously do not read very well. I have no devotion to Trump. I don't watch tv, never seen a youtube of him, catch up on the very odd article here and there. Don't give a flying fcuk about him, but the anthropological observation is interesting. I do notice he did not start overseas wars. Unlike Obama. But anyway.

And if you are looking for projection from back in 2016...sorry, that is just too funny.

So you openly admit that you know nothing of Trump, have no opinions of him but are certain that he didn't start any wars unlike that Obama guy.

It turns out that you are wrong in that, Omaba certainly didn't end any wars but he didn't start any either.

So how should we take a post that starts of saying that you want to avoid talking about anything and about Trump, on the basis that you have been apparently under a rock for 4 years, but that Obama guy was awful?
In a thread where it is one of two candidates, excusing one through ignorance is very similar to excusing that person.

And again, since it is a two horse race, comparisons are very important. Neither are perfect, so it comes down to how dirty one os compared to the other.

You have produced one allegation, which has never gone anywhere, whilst I have given you two examples, admitted (after much lying) by Trump.

So on the one hand you have a man with multiples accusations and a known liar and history of infedelity and cover up, against a man with one accussation.

You seem to want to tree them equally.

Gruffalox wrote: »

He fired missiles into Libya. Even he describes it as the worst mistake of his presidency because of the fall out. A lìttle war or shall we call it limited aggressions for newspeak. Under his govt the US also supported the proxy war in Yemen.

Fine, but then you agree that Trump started a war with Syria?

Because Trump fired missiles, which I know is news to you since you know nothing of Trump.

Gruffalox wrote: »

He fired missiles into Libya. Even he describes it as the worst mistake of his presidency because of the fall out. A lìttle war or shall we call it limited aggressions for newspeak. Under his govt the US also supported the proxy war in Yemen.

Meanwhile the peaceful president has continued to launch large numbers of drone strikes in Yemen and massively expanded drone strikes in Somalia but changed the law to avoid having to publicly report on these strikes and civilian deaths from those drone strikes. He also agreed massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia for them to use in their brutal war on Yemen. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-escalates-killer-drone-war-and-no-one-seems-to-care/