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dundalkfc10 · 27-08-2020 10:30AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

He could join Sinn Fein!
They would have gotten him off.

Ah Sinn Fein

joseywhales · 27-08-2020 10:31AM

No he is over politically, like I'm sure he knows the game inside out, he ran the election for FG very successfully but it would be an uphill struggle for a job he had 25 years ago, to be scrutinized and ridiculed for a few more years.

Hawthorn Tree · 27-08-2020 11:14AM

What about Fine Gael's Dara Murphy for next commissioner?

Loves Brussels.

Loves Expenses and gorging at the trough.

Unaccountable.

Ticks all the boxes.

James Brown · 27-08-2020 11:16AM

joseywhales wrote: »

No he is over politically, like I'm sure he knows the game inside out, he ran the election for FG very successfully but it would be an uphill struggle for a job he had 25 years ago, to be scrutinized and ridiculed for a few more years.

Ridiculed because of his attitude and lies I expect. MM and LV won't be around for ever so the ridicule might fade. One thing we know is he has a brass neck and its unlikely this thing took the glide from his stride. He'll be on some board before the year is out.

blanch152 · 27-08-2020 12:04PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The likes of Gary Glitter and OJ Simpson are beating away sponsorships and job offers I imagine.

And no, I'm not equating what Hogan has done with either of them two, I'm just pointing out that no matter how talented you are in whatever area of the private world, if there is a stigma attached to your reputation, you might find it hard to get work.

The way I see things - FG haven't expelled him yet despite Leo's bravado, and with all the support he's been receiving from (what appear to be) FG supporters, so they should give him a chance to contest an election here somewhere and maybe aim for TD or ministerial positions again..

Not so sure about the Gary Glitter and OJ Simpson comparisons, but I see what you were doing.

The alternative perspective is that any private company wanting an inside or insight on Brexit trade deal would be delighted to appoint Hogan to their board. However, rather than reputation, the biggest obstacle to his career would be conflict of interest requirements from the EU.

RandomViewer · 27-08-2020 12:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't the appointment of the new commissioner in the gift of Michael Martin?

Why are most of the replacements being mention FG.

Surely FF are not gonna allow that huge signal of who is wearing the trousers in the coalition?

FF still owed another head, Hogan covers Biffo junior they still need someone for Caleary, judge is handy but stupid and not well enough known, Hayes destroyed would probably do but they might go all out and demand the two heads

James Brown · 27-08-2020 01:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Not so sure about the Gary Glitter and OJ Simpson comparisons, but I see what you were doing.

The alternative perspective is that any private company wanting an inside or insight on Brexit trade deal would be delighted to appoint Hogan to their board. However, rather than reputation, the biggest obstacle to his career would be conflict of interest requirements from the EU.

He's Fine Gael. I doubt it'll be an issue for him.
Not unheard of for a high profile politician to go into business for a private enterprise connected to government contracts.
But at least the EU seem to have ethics of a sort.

James Brown · 27-08-2020 04:39PM

I see members of Promontoria, (a subsidiary of Cerberus Capital Management) were at the golf piss up.
Judge, vulture fund, senators, TD's, Garda..

So thats all the people at all levels of the state represented, except the President and the lowly tax payer. But then they never represent the tax payer.

Bishop of hope · 27-08-2020 04:46PM

Bowie wrote: »

I see members of Promontoria, (a subsidiary of Cerberus Capital Management) were at the golf piss up.
Judge, vulture fund, senators, TD's, Garda..

So thats all the people at all levels of the state represented, except the President and the lowly tax payer. But then they never represent the tax payer.

Don't forget CCs.
So none of your aforementioned are taxpayers?

blanch152 · 27-08-2020 04:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

He's Fine Gael. I doubt it'll be an issue for him.
Not unheard of for a high profile politician to go into business for a private enterprise connected to government contracts.
But at least the EU seem to have ethics of a sort.

Not unheard of, in fact it is a common them to nearly all of his posts, for Bowie to hurl unsubstantiated allegations like confetti at Ministers and other office-holders. Here are the guidelines for Ministers, if you are aware of any breaches of them, please let SIPO know.

https://www.sipo.ie/documents/english/Code-of-Conduct-for-Office-Holders-.pdf

"Office holders, in taking up appointments on leaving office, should be careful to
avoid any real or apparent conflict of interest with the office they formerly
occupied. Particular care should be taken in the first few months following
departure from office. Office holders should give careful consideration to the
type of occupation chosen having left office. Although it is in the public interest
that former office holders are able to move into business or other areas of public
life, it is equally important that there should be no cause for any suspicion of
impropriety when taking up a particular appointment. In this context, office
holders should act in a way which ensures it could not be reasonably concluded
that an office holder was influenced by the hope or expectation of future
employment with the firm or organisation concerned or that an unfair advantage
would be conferred in a new appointment by virtue of, for example, access to
official information the office holder previously enjoyed."

Uriel. · 27-08-2020 04:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Not unheard of, in fact it is a common them to nearly all of his posts, for Bowie to hurl unsubstantiated allegations like confetti at Ministers and other office-holders. Here are the guidelines for Ministers, if you are aware of any breaches of them, please let SIPO know.

https://www.sipo.ie/documents/english/Code-of-Conduct-for-Office-Holders-.pdf

"Office holders, in taking up appointments on leaving office, should be careful to
avoid any real or apparent conflict of interest with the office they formerly
occupied. Particular care should be taken in the first few months following
departure from office. Office holders should give careful consideration to the
type of occupation chosen having left office. Although it is in the public interest
that former office holders are able to move into business or other areas of public
life, it is equally important that there should be no cause for any suspicion of
impropriety when taking up a particular appointment. In this context, office
holders should act in a way which ensures it could not be reasonably concluded
that an office holder was influenced by the hope or expectation of future
employment with the firm or organisation concerned or that an unfair advantage
would be conferred in a new appointment by virtue of, for example, access to
official information the office holder previously enjoyed."

Interesting to see that the former Minister for Older People took up a gig with the private home care lobbying body in the last day or two. He would have been responsible for homecare policy and funding in Ireland, much of it now being outsourced to private organisations. Its a board gig rather than employment as such, but he's not 6 months out of office.

I'm not suggesting any impropriety on behalf of this specific former office holder but it is such a short time since his previous public role ended, and I'd have to question whether the rules should provided for a minimum period for potentially conflicting/insider knowledge roles.

James Brown · 27-08-2020 05:05PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Not unheard of, in fact it is a common them to nearly all of his posts, for Bowie to hurl unsubstantiated allegations like confetti at Ministers and other office-holders. Here are the guidelines for Ministers, if you are aware of any breaches of them, please let SIPO know.

https://www.sipo.ie/documents/english/Code-of-Conduct-for-Office-Holders-.pdf

"Office holders, in taking up appointments on leaving office, should be careful to
avoid any real or apparent conflict of interest with the office they formerly
occupied. Particular care should be taken in the first few months following
departure from office. Office holders should give careful consideration to the
type of occupation chosen having left office. Although it is in the public interest
that former office holders are able to move into business or other areas of public
life, it is equally important that there should be no cause for any suspicion of
impropriety when taking up a particular appointment. In this context, office
holders should act in a way which ensures it could not be reasonably concluded
that an office holder was influenced by the hope or expectation of future
employment with the firm or organisation concerned or that an unfair advantage
would be conferred in a new appointment by virtue of, for example, access to
official information the office holder previously enjoyed."

List one.

So it happens, like I said.

Edgware · 27-08-2020 06:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Somebody just pointed out that it was around this time last week they were all sitting at their meal...it's been some week for the government and it is not by any means all over yet.

"You're going the salmon Phil, a bit of beef not good enough for ya since ye went to Brussels,"

Edgware · 27-08-2020 06:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't the appointment of the new commissioner in the gift of Michael Martin?

Why are most of the replacements being mention FG.

Surely FF are not gonna allow that huge signal of who is wearing the trousers in the coalition?

Big Phils tenure was to end in 2024. As part of the coalition deal FF gets to nominate then. So its up to Leo now

Bishop of hope · 27-08-2020 07:03PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Interesting to see that the former Minister for Older People took up a gig with the private home care lobbying body in the last day or two. He would have been responsible for homecare policy and funding in Ireland, much of it now being outsourced to private organisations. Its a board gig rather than employment as such, but he's not 6 months out of office.

I'm not suggesting any impropriety on behalf of this specific former office holder but it is such a short time since his previous public role ended, and I'd have to question whether the rules should provided for a minimum period for potentially conflicting/insider knowledge roles.

Why?

Bishop of hope · 28-08-2020 06:56AM

Big Phil says thanks lads.
He can self isolate, maybe, he can drive around, have dinners out, play golf everyday, and all on you and me.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-former-commissioner-phil-hogan-can-expect-golden-handshake-of-up-to-300000-39484926.html

smurgen · 28-08-2020 07:56AM

Frances Fitzgerald in the running for Phil Hogan's job.What am embarrassing. She's a liar. Even lies about small things.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/fitzgerald-tall-tail-lost-dog-855907

Yurt2 · 28-08-2020 08:19AM

I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks, having vulture funds present at a golf event with the Oireachtas seal on it is most definitively not a good look. That's not even to mention the pandemic on top of it.

Yurt2 · 28-08-2020 08:24AM

Edgware wrote: »

Big Phils tenure was to end in 2024. As part of the coalition deal FF gets to nominate then. So its up to Leo now

Realistically, FF don't have any credible grandees to fire the job at. The cupboard is empty there.

None of the FG picks inspire confidence either.

The two former Irish diplomats from the EU bodies being tipped (one male, one female) are probably the right call. Not involved in the current FFG sh*theap and not tainted. The female candidate (can't remember her name) was a close aide to Peter Sutherland so knows the ropes well. Give her the gig and be done with it. Frances is damaged goods.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 08:29AM

Gino Kenny believed to be interested.

McMurphy · 28-08-2020 08:29AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Realistically, FF don't have any credible grandees to fire the job at. The cupboard is empty there.

None of the FG picks inspire confidence either.

The two former Irish diplomats from the EU bodies being tipped (one male, one female) are probably the right call. Not involved in the current FFG sh*theap and not tainted. The female candidate (can't remember her name) was a close aide to Peter Sutherland so knows the ropes well. Give her the gig and be done with it. Frances is damaged goods.

Has to be the brightest and best from FG stock, master negotiators they are don't you know.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Gino Kenny believed to be interested.

Gino had no involvement in any of these clusterfcuks either bren.

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1298956573356756993?s=19

Yurt2 · 28-08-2020 08:32AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Gino Kenny believed to be interested.

Typical low-quality sneer.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 08:39AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Typical low-quality sneer.

Of course you would have no form in that area, dude

The bullhorn brigade have nothing to offer in any respect buddy, that’s the point that’s being made.

Occupying ever picket line is their main pastime.

The ‘cause’ of course has no relevance or justification, just appear on the tabloids with miserable looking dials on them.

Time to tell the truth, a chara.

Yurt2 · 28-08-2020 08:44AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Of course you would have no form in that area, dude

The bullhorn brigade have nothing to offer in any respect buddy, that’s the point that’s being made.

Occupying ever picket line is their main pastime.

The ‘cause’ of course has no relevance or justification, just appear on the tabloids with miserable looking dials on them.

Time to tell the truth, a chara.

Buddy dude pal.

blanch152 · 28-08-2020 08:52AM

Bowie wrote: »

List one.

So it happens, like I said.

You say it happens, but you can never back it up.

blanch152 · 28-08-2020 08:53AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Gino Kenny believed to be interested.

I would have thought Martin Ferris a better choice. No by-election to be fought and he has some experience of trade.

Hawthorn Tree · 28-08-2020 09:05AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I would have thought Martin Ferris a better choice. No by-election to be fought and he has some experience of trade.

God you are boring.

RandomViewer · 28-08-2020 09:24AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

God you are boring.

They've lost their bully boy, they still owe another head to Micky effin Martin ,they are licking their wounds and lashing out at all and sundry
, word is some of the working girls present at the do have tested positive for the virus so a another sh1tstorm forming,

Bishop of hope · 28-08-2020 11:04AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks, having vulture funds present at a golf event with the Oireachtas seal on it is most definitively not a good look. That's not even to mention the pandemic on top of it.

I have been reading this quit a lot, can you name these vulture fund representatives or is it just another meaningless jibe.
Brian Hayes says he attended with three friends from school days and none are connected to vulture funds.
If its not hot air, name them?
https://www.thejournal.ie/bank-lobbyist-golfgate-5185489-Aug2020/

nc6000 · 28-08-2020 11:20AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks, having vulture funds present at a golf event with the Oireachtas seal on it is most definitively not a good look. That's not even to mention the pandemic on top of it.

Yes, it's an absolute disgrace that they should be present at an event like that regardless of there being a pandemic or not.

I'm assuming the three people with Brian Hayes were never members of the Oireachtas so why were they there?

I'd also be interested to hear where they traveled from.

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