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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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  • #2312
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Hopefully the police come in and get really heavy handed with these BLM crowds the need dealing with , they play the victims but are the only ones attacking innocent people and there homes and businesses


  • #2313
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Post up the video of the lead up to the events so.

    So why did you lie and tell a misleading version of events about the shootings ?


  • #2314
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    The same reason why a BLM matter t-shirt would provoke someone at a Trump rally.

    What reason is that?
    Get off, a 30 minutes drive is like someone from North Dublin saying shops in Drogheda are their 'local business'. It is worse in this case because it made the gun he was carrying illegal, given his love for guns and police etc I doubt they'll get away with claiming he didnt know what he was doing was illegal.

    He's a child and its an administrative error, not a plot to murder anyone.
    As far as I know it isn't against the law to be murdered.

    It's not against the law to defend yourself from being murdered. Though it's going that way for white people in the US.


  • #2315
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sand wrote: »
    Go on Youtube and search for 'Kenosha Armed Civilian Shooting 8/25/2020'. Should be the first video that comes up. Close to 15 minutes of footage.

    Jesus dude.
    Well done on backing up my argument

    I was indifferent to blm.
    If this is the crap they have to deal with then I support them 100%.
    In fact, I’ll go a step further, I’ll donate towards their movement tonight.


  • #2316
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    New York Times investigator had looked over the videos
    Thread

    https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809?s=19


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  • #2317
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    BoroMan32 wrote: »
    He killed one person, and one convicted pedophile in self defence.

    I’ve seen people defend the murderer more than the actual people who were killed.
    What a place.


  • #2318
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Jesus dude.
    Well done on backing up my argument

    I was indifferent to blm.
    If this is the crap they have to deal with then I support them 100%.
    In fact, I’ll go a step further, I’ll donate towards their movement tonight.

    Given your inability to even look up a video on youtube, I doubt that you'll do anything that requires any effort.


  • #2319
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Jesus dude.
    Well done on backing up my argument

    I was indifferent to blm.
    If this is the crap they have to deal with then I support them 100%.
    In fact, I’ll go a step further, I’ll donate towards their movement tonight.

    Great that money won't go anywhere near helping black people but fire away lmao

    So can you answer the question I asked why did you lie and tell a misleading account of the events ?


  • #2320
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Sand wrote: »
    Given your inability to even look up a video on youtube, I doubt that you'll do anything that requires any effort.

    That's fairly embarrassing to be caught out so badly infront of everyone., I actually can't understand why they try spin these narratives when there is video evidence that completely destroys it.


  • #2321
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    They're conditioned by the media to always see the white person as being in the wrong. So they easily accept false narratives that align with this conditioning. The conditioning is so strong that they wont accept contradictory evidence even when it is shown to them.


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  • #2322
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Sand wrote: »
    What reason is that?

    Human nature?? People get upset when they see the uniforms of who they deem to be 'the enemy'?

    A woman was arrested for trying to wear a 'I cant breath' t-shirt at a Trump rally recently.
    He's a child and its an administrative error, not a plot to murder anyone.

    It's not against the law to defend yourself from being murdered. Though it's going that way for white people in the US.

    Oh yes, making the decision to drive 30 minutes to illegally breach a curfew, with an illegal gun to get in the middle of what you have classed as 'a riot' is truly the definition of 'an administrative error'.


  • #2323
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    It is incredible, especially when you see how the first actions of the same people is to dehumanise black victims.

    But, de facto, you dehumanised the white person by saying that others were using a tactic of '...trying to humanise the white...'.

    Those are your words.

    Suggesting that someone is less than human, while making a specific reference to their skin colour, is racist.

    Otherwise, it's a hypocritical double-standard.


  • #2324
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Sand wrote: »
    They're conditioned by the media to always see the white person as being in the wrong. So they easily accept false narratives that align with this conditioning. The conditioning is so strong that they wont accept contradictory evidence even when it is shown to them.

    The media never gives a white guys a break... :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1298812556564467713?s=20


  • #2325
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Cody montana wrote: »
    I’ve seen people defend the murderer more than the actual people who were killed.
    What a place.

    Can you see how your emotions are getting the better of you ?


  • #2326
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Human nature?? People get upset when they see the uniforms of who they deem to be 'the enemy'?

    So white people are perceived as the enemy for BLM then. I dont know if 'He was white so he deserved to die' is really going to standup in court. Not for a few years anyway.


  • #2327
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    But, de facto, you dehumanised the white person by saying that others were using a tactic of '...trying to humanise the white...'.

    Those are your words.

    Suggesting that someone is less than human, while making a specific reference to their skin colour, is racist.

    Otherwise, it's a hypocritical double-standard.

    :confused:

    That makes absolutely no sense (even if you put a phrase you don't understand in italics)


  • #2328
    CertifiedSimp
    Site Banned Posts: 280 ✭✭CertifiedSimp


    superflyninja wrote: »
    Facts dont seem to matter anymore in the USA. AFAIK, we still dont have the full facts of this case. Yet look at how the story has shifted. From an unarmed good samaritan trying to de-escalate a fight between two women, shot in the back by disgusting, cowardly, brutal, racist cops to the cops were called because of him, he has warrants against him, he was resisting arrest and potentially reaching for a weapon.
    It now appears that the later story is looking "more correct"? If so then yeah the police should have done a better job detaining him, but what could they do once he reached the car? There was no telling what he might do,there were kids in the car. There is discussion to be had about the procedure and training but come on does anyone believe the police in this case are trigger happy, bloodthirsty racists?

    Looks like a ****ty situation to me with blame laying on both sides.

    Something people fail to realise is the cops were shouting at him while he walked over to his car. Only when he opened the door and potentially grabbed a weapon did they shoot.

    If they wanted to just kill a black man they'd have put a bullet in him at the earliest opportunity.

    Another thing. Even if there are racist cops, it's another step to actually take a life of a man. It will rest on that cops consciounce for the rest of his life.

    Do people really think theres that many cops capable of murder in the US? I don't like cats but if i run over one then that's gonna feel awful.

    Actually, I know the answer for yanks considering there's so many yanks who say ACAB, all cops are bastards. Absolutely awful and wrong attitude to have.


  • #2329
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Sand wrote: »
    So white people are perceived as the enemy for BLM then. I dont know if 'He was white so he deserved to die' is really going to standup in court. Not for a few years anyway.

    Get out from under your bed, there were plenty of white people there, including some of the victims of lil Rambo.

    The perceived enemy I mention is wannabe tough guys with a fetish for guns that turn up to events to attempt to intimidate with their ill fitting military clothes and big guns to overcompensate for other issues in their lives.


  • #2330
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    silverharp wrote: »
    I wouldnt get too invested in these, the first is a convicted pedophile and the other 2 were convicted felons, knowing the US there will be PLM chants :pac:

    Source for that?


  • #2331
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Get out from under your bed, there were plenty of white people there, including some of the victims of lil Rambo.

    The perceived enemy I mention is wannabe tough guys with a fetish for guns that turn up to events to attempt to intimidate with their ill fitting military clothes and big guns to overcompensate for other issues in their lives.

    Well, its your thought process that the kid knew his presence there was going to provoke the crowd and this would be because he was white. I think you're wrong on the level that the kid didn't know him being white would provoke the mob.

    What issues in Rosenbaums life was he compensating for by rioting in that town rather than being at home with his fiancee and 2 year old child? This kid can be excused for LARPing because he's a child. Rosenbaum is/was a 36 year old man.


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  • #2332
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    :confused:

    That makes absolutely no sense (even if you put a phrase you don't understand in italics)

    Your words were -
    ...the standard tactic of trying to humanise the white killer...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114445098&postcount=2272

    'Trying to humanise...'

    Ergo, you see him as less than human, and you are criticising the attempt of others to humanise him.

    There's no other sensible interpretation of your words.

    So your perception of him, and your need to stress his skin colour while you do so, is racist.

    Or would be, if it suited your narrative.


  • #2333
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Overheal wrote: »
    Source for that?

    Joseph D. Rosenbaum,, 36, was the first one killed.
    Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRiwtCGMppUJ:https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie
    Offense/Statute:Sexual Conduct W/minor
    Date Convicted:16 December 2002
    Offense/Statute:Sexual Conduct W/minor
    Date Convicted:16 December 2002
    https://www.the-sun.com/news/1379573/joseph-rosenbaum-kenosha-protests-shot-dead-kyle-rittenhouse/


  • #2334
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    biko wrote: »
    Joseph D. Rosenbaum,, 36, was the first one killed.
    Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRiwtCGMppUJ:https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/1379573/joseph-rosenbaum-kenosha-protests-shot-dead-kyle-rittenhouse/

    Hmm, okay that might answer my question about why a 36 year old man was LARPing in Wisconsin rather than with his family in Texas.


  • #2335
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    biko wrote: »
    Joseph D. Rosenbaum,, 36, was the first one killed.
    Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRiwtCGMppUJ:https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/1379573/joseph-rosenbaum-kenosha-protests-shot-dead-kyle-rittenhouse/

    And did Rittenhouse know that when he murdered him?


  • #2336
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Overheal wrote: »
    And did Rittenhouse know that when he murdered him?

    They probably didn't get much of a chance to chat as the child was running for his life and Rosenbaum was attempting to assault him.


  • #2337
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Overheal wrote: »
    And did Rittenhouse know that when he murdered him?

    :rolleyes:


  • #2338
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    I think some people on here need to figure out the difference between murder and self defense some awful mixed up people on here trying to push weird narratives when there is video evidence destroying there arguments .

    Talk about clutching at straws


  • #2339
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Yes?


  • #2340
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes?

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    Yes ?


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  • #2341
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    Innocent until proven guilty.

    Yes ?

    Oh yes, 100%, however he still remains charged with murder in the first degree, and we know for a fact he was 17 and was too young to carry the weapon, and despite his age crossed state lines with a rifle in violation of the relevant law, and therefore we have evidence beyond any reasonable doubt he was already engaged in criminal activity.


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