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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #4082
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Kayleigh McEnany bravely speaking about her mastectomy...



    "As I came out of anesthesia, the first call I received was from Ivanka Trump. My phone rang again, it was President Trump calling to check on me! I was blown away... Here was the leader of the free world, caring about my circumstance!"


    She lies about a lot of things. Personally, if someone lies a lot, I tend to take what they say with a pinch of salt. Maybe I'm just weird that way.


  • #4083
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo90737733641?__twitter_impression=true

    For clarity I have reproduced the relevant section of her speech. There is more context in the link above should you need it.

    Pelosi:

    "I myself just, don't tell anybody I told you this, especially don't tell Joe Biden. I don't think there should be any debates."


  • #4084
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    no, there was only one side who made a mistake and had to be corrected.

    If I said something like this, you would be happy.

    "Biden is perfect, the campaign is perfect, he's running the perfect campaign, I love the Dems, they are perfect."

    You kind of people would be clapping like seals if I said that. Exactly the kind of behaviour you criticise Trymp supporters for.


  • #4085
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    I'm far from a Trumper.

    The difference between people like me and actual Trumpers or people like you is that I can actually use my critical thinking skills because I'm not tied to any political party or ideology.

    Some people see the world in black or white, no grey area.

    It's actually what has America itself in such a mess.


  • #4086
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    I'm far from a Trumper.

    The difference between people like me and actual Trumpers or people like you is that I can actually use my critical thinking skills because I'm not tied to any political party or ideology.

    I loled anyway.


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  • #4087
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo90737733641?__twitter_impression=true

    For clarity I have reproduced the relevant section of her speech. There is more context in the link above should you need it.

    Pelosi:

    "I myself just, don't tell anybody I told you this, especially don't tell Joe Biden. I don't think there should be any debates."

    It's not mixed messaging though from the Dems. It's just a different opinion is all.


  • #4088
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Irishman80 wrote: »

    My God...It gets extremely frustrating trying to have discussions with cult members.


    Tell me about it.


  • #4089
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    If I said something like this, you would be happy.

    "Biden is perfect, the campaign is perfect, he's running the perfect campaign, I love the Dems, they are perfect."

    You kind of people would be clapping like seals if I said that. Exactly the kind of behaviour you criticise Trymp supporters for.

    i wouldn't be happy if that is not what was said. you are projecting your own thoughts on to others.


  • #4090
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo90737733641?__twitter_impression=true

    For clarity I have reproduced the relevant section of her speech. There is more context in the link above should you need it.

    Pelosi:

    "I myself just, don't tell anybody I told you this, especially don't tell Joe Biden. I don't think there should be any debates."

    Did she say why she thought that?


  • #4091
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    Cody montana wrote: »
    I loled anyway.

    Anyone who has any criticism of the Dems must be a Trump supporter. If you dont agree with everything Biden says or does, you must be a Trump supporter.

    Do you know how that sounds?


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  • #4092
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i wouldn't be happy if that is not what was said. you are projecting your own thoughts on to others.

    No, that's the way people act. I criticised the Democrats for mixed messaging and visibility, which are important, and you people nearly had a meltdown.


  • #4093
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Anyone who has any criticism of the Dems must be a Trump supporter. If you dont agree with everything Biden says or does, you must be a Trump supporter.

    Do you know how that sounds?

    nobody has said anything of the sort. you misquoted pelosi and made it sound like a trump talking point. you were corrected. you got angry about being corrected and called others idiots. like i said, a very trumpian response.


  • #4094
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    No, that's the way people act. I criticised the Democrats for mixed messaging and visibility, which are important, and you people nearly had a meltdown.

    and if you had managed the simple task of quoting Pelosi correctly nobody would have had an issue.


  • #4095
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Did she say why she thought that?

    Something along the lines that Trump is an pathological liar and shouldn't be given the platform.

    Note: They are not the exact words she said. That's not an exact quote from her. I usually dont memorize exact quotes from people I hear on TV to post on boards.ie. Who does?


  • #4096
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Something along the lines that Trump is an pathological liar and shouldn't be given the platform.

    Note: They are not the exact words she said. That's not an exact quote from her. I usually dont memorize exact quotes from people I hear on TV to post on boards.ie. Who does?

    That's correct. And that his ignorance and lies shouldn't be given the respect of being debated. For me, she was just using the opportunity to highlight the truth of who Trump is.


  • #4097
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    nobody has said anything of the sort. you misquoted pelosi and made it sound like a trump talking point. you were corrected. you got angry about being corrected and called others idiots. like i said, a very trumpian response.

    I didn't call people idiots. Show me where I called people idiots. Where did I quote that? Show me.


  • #4098
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    No, that's the way people act. I criticised the Democrats for mixed messaging and visibility, which are important, and you people nearly had a meltdown.


    A lot of people here have been discussing politics on this site long before Trump and will be afterwards. An unfortunate byproduct of that is that they tend to be anoraks when it comes to things like facts. They're a tough crowd, quick to pounce on each other when one of them gets something wrong.


    It can be frustrating but this isn't the Adrian Kennedy show or whatever the equivalent is these days.


  • #4099
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    There is a flagrant abuse of language among Bidenistas.

    The root cause is that they are fundamentally wrong in the choice they have made. But its hard to admit you are wrong. Much easier to continue spouting nonsense and blindly supporting a party being eaten alive by marxism. Its less trouble deflecting criticism with daft questions and juvenile sarcasm, while shifting goalposts and calling observant posters trolls. Classy stuff.

    Must be exhausting being full of it.

    PS: I prefer the term ' Trumpeteer '.


  • #4100
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    A lot of people here have been discussing politics on this site long before Trump and will be afterwards. An unfortunate byproduct of that is that they tend to be anoraks when it comes to things like facts. They're a tough crowd, quick to pounce on each other when one of them gets something wrong.


    It can be frustrating but this isn't the Adrian Kennedy show or whatever the equivalent is these days.

    Fair enough. I haven't been using the site long.

    It can get frustrating when a discussion gets diverted into nonsense.

    I suppose the tactic of filling the system with s--t acts as a way for people not to address certain points.


  • #4101
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Why doesn't Trump drink alcohol?

    Is it because he had family member who was an alcoholic? Big deal, join the club. Although there's a few NY bartenders that would disagree with his claim that he's never touched a drop. He lies about everything else so no reason to take his word on this either.


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  • #4102
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Biker79 wrote: »
    There is a flagrant abuse of language among Bidenistas.


    Every sentence of yours is an abuse of language. They're structured well, don't get me wrong but you don't seem to understand the meaning of words. The idea that the Democratic Party is marxist suggest that you don't know what marxism is or what the Democratic Party or both. It's like a failed Turing test.


  • #4103
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Who does that? Do you know how stupid you sound now?


    who quotes people correctly? those of us with incredible wit, charm and intelligence try to quote people correctly.


  • #4104
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Biker79 wrote: »
    There is a flagrant abuse of language among Bidenistas.

    The root cause is that they are fundamentally wrong in the choice they have made. But its hard to admit you are wrong. Much easier to continue spouting nonsense and blindly supporting a party being eaten alive by marxism. Its less trouble deflecting criticism with daft questions and juvenile sarcasm, while shifting goalposts and calling observant posters trolls. Classy stuff.

    Must be exhausting being full of it.

    PS: I prefer the term ' Trumpeteer '.

    the projection here is impressive. the Savoy cinema have a job waiting for you if you need one.


  • #4105
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    yeah, right.

    So where's the word idiots there?

    You should quote people exactly if you are going to say something like that. Point it out to me or else accept you have been corrected and move on.


  • #4106
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    who quotes people correctly? those of us with incredible wit, charm and intelligence try to quote people correctly.

    You didn't quote me directly. Why not?


  • #4107
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    So where's the word idiots there?

    You should quote people exactly if you are going to say something like that. Point it out to me or else accept you have been corrected and move on.

    i didnt quote you . you need to learn what that actually means. now that is out of the way can you explain what the repeated utterances of

    Duh, duh, hur du dur..duh.

    are supposed to mean? If i am mistaken and you are not calling others idiots then i will of course apologise. for that to happen you have to explain what you actually meant and it has to be convincing.


  • #4108
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i didnt quote you . you need to learn what that actually means. now that is out of the way can you explain what the repeated utterances of

    Duh, duh, hur du dur..duh.

    are supposed to mean? If i am mistaken and you are not calling others idiots then i will of course apologise. for that to happen you have to explain what you actually meant and it has to be convincing.

    Where does it say idiots there? You said I called people idiots.

    Where did I call people idiots? Show me my quote.


  • #4109
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Anyone who has any criticism of the Dems must be a Trump supporter. If you dont agree with everything Biden says or does, you must be a Trump supporter.

    Do you know how that sounds?

    Because it’s nonsense,


  • #4110
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Booker is a supporter of Louis Farrakhan. As is Tamika Mallory who said in an interview that there shouldn't be a Jewish state. In her defence, she's not very bright and I don't think she realised the implications of what she was saying. She resigned from the Women's March committee over this. Rashida Tlaib said something very similar although not quite as on the nose. Ilhan Omar said on Twitter “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and let them see the evil doings of Israel” and of course her infamous "It's all about the Benjamins" comment obliquely invoking the conspiracy theory that the US only supports Israel because of the Jewish money. Her and Tlaib have hobnobbed with people connected to the Palestinian Liberation Organisation which is a terrorist group which pays the families of suicide bombers who kill Jews. Both congresswomen refused to take a congressional trip to Israel and instead took a trip to Palestine with a group that is openly anti-semitic. Linda Sarsour is the more fringe of all these characters she has spoken alongside people such as Rasmea Yousef Odeh who was convicted of a bombing that killed two people in Israel. Because of this, 100 holocaust survivors signed a letter trying to cancel her from giving the commencement speech at CUNY. She's a delightful character who tweeted to Ayaan Hirsi Ali that she wished she could take her vagina away. Ali is a victim of female genital mutilation.

    Of course, all of these people have openly supported BDS, the Boycott, Divestment, Sanction movement against Israel. BDS is a movements, the leaders of which reject the two-state solution.

    Yes, there's nothing anti-semitic about simply criticising Israeli policy, but once you question it's right to exist, or to exist as a Jewish state, you are treating a Jewish state in a way that no Arab or Christian state would be treated. That's anti-semitic.

    Got to hand it to you that was a great, informative summary. I agree there needs to be a line between criticizing Israel and their entire right to exist etc. - on BDS, I think it's absurd that Republicans (including my Rep) are championing anti free speech bills that would prohibit anyone talking about boycotts, divestment from, or sanctions of Israel.

    I'm happy to take all of this at face value since I don't think it bears any relevance to Nicki Haley's conduct. She was a very good governor and proved herself capable of standing up for her principles. It was her who ordered the taking down of all Confederate flags from public property after a mass shooting by a white supremacist in her state who posed with the flag before the shooting.
    She's not altogether terrible or anything however she will need to answer more for her ethics violations if she ever plans to take another elected office. It would be silly to think she wouldn't run again.

    Fair play to you for owning up to your whataboutism but nonetheless it is whataboutism and I'd sooner discuss the merits of the issues rather trading sideswipes.

    Aye that's fair enough.
    Okay, so if your standard for a country being racist is that it has "problems of racism" then every single country on earth is racist. Every. Single. One. Because you can be sure that every country with more than a million people has racists in it. The question is: Are the racists influential enough that they have permeated societal and legal institutions? In most Western countries I would say the answer is no. By and large Americans do not hold racist opinions. A Gallup poll found that less than 4% of Americans would have objections to living in a neighbourhood with members other races. The percentage was lowest among english speaking countries. It got higher in continental European countries such as France. It was highest in Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

    Well, that's not exactly what I was getting at but then I'd agree with you, globally there are racism problems. However I was more referring to the fact that there is still institutional racism problems in the US, which I've discussed at length here and in other threads.

    America is not a racist country. It elected a black president to two terms, before that it had had black Secretaries of State and a black Supreme Court Justice etc.
    The state that started the Civil War, South Carolina elected a black man to the US Senate and an Indian governor.

    I still am inclined to disagree. We have seen systematic voter suppression for example in majority black districts; the 2018 election in Georgia should have been an eye opener for everyone. None of that is to say that voters cannot get a minority person elected, but there is not a level playing field for doing so.

    I apologise for the mischaracterisation.
    If Tim Scott is a more prominent Senator than he would otherwise be if he were white, then that is a result of the fact that Democrats have attempted to maintain the black vote, not by the merits of policy but by racialising party loyalty. They've established the narrative that the Republican Party is racist through and through while it was the Republicans who freed the slaves and attempted (unsuccessfully) to stop Jim Crow and advance the cause of blacks during Reconstruction. It was Republican President Ulysses Grant who decimated the KKK and the first black US Senator was elected in 1870 from Mississippi during his term. Lyndon Johnson could never have passed the Civil Rights Act without Republican support in Congress. Blacks voted reliably Republican up until this time. Yet, the Democrats lied and claimed that once the South started voting Republican, all the racist Democrats became racist Republicans even though studies have shown that the older racist Democrats never stopped voting Democrat.

    They got away with instituting this racial loyalty test among blacks. It's for that reason that whenever someone like Tim Scott bucks the trend that we all take notice. It's a shameful thing that his race is an issue at all. But it's an issue because Democrats made it an issue. Not Republicans.

    I would be interested in seeing those studies, as it's my firm understanding that as a result of the Southern Strategy, we have seen a noticeable ideological shift between the parties on race, and that's undeniable whether or not some older people still vote democrat.
    Yes. Republicans.

    No I don't think you viewed my link at all then, because blacks represented in Congress have been overwhelmingly Democrat, not Republican.


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  • #4111
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Where does it say idiots there? You said I called people idiots.

    Where did I call people idiots? Show me my quote.

    so what does

    Duh, duh, hur du dur..duh.

    mean? btw you are fooling nobody. a six year old knows what those words mean.


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