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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #3152
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,705 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    So Irish times are reporting

    A member of the public saw big Phil in a restaurant the night he arrived over from Brussels

    And he never listed Roscommon on his timeline that he gave his boss yesterday

    He’s his own worst enemy at this stage

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1298522923188260864?s=19

    He has made an absolute hames of this.
    I wonder if this was in his 20 page doc to Ursula?


  • #3153
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Finally Paddy is asking the right questions. The Hogan witch hunt is to distract from how politics is done here hoping it will be business as usual. I’m sure people struggling with rent in Dublin care more about this than Phil Hogan.

    Yes but Hogan must go first. Once he is gone the Domino effect brings them all down right down to the gombeen councillors who are actually the closest to everyday people and should have shown solidarity and not gone to Galway.


  • #3154
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Edgware wrote: »
    Where do you want him to go? He is a private citizen employed by a non public entity.
    Did he break any criminal laws that could result in prosecution? You might as well be asking the waiters to resign

    He needs to resign and measures brought it in that prohibit lobbying by former TDs.

    He's not the only one. Two notable ones from the past are John Bruton and Dick Roche.

    They sold inside info on how the system works to enrich themselves.


  • #3155
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,265 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    stockshares wrote: »
    He needs to resign and measures brought it in that prohibit lobbying by former TDs.

    He's not the only one. Two notable ones from the past are John Bruton and Dick Roche.

    They sold inside info on how the system works to enrich themselves.

    I agree with you that the revolving door system needs more scrutiny but you are jumping the gun calling for Hayes's "resignation" based on rumour.


  • #3156
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Where is the narrative that we need Hogan to stay as commissioner coming from, and do people seriously think that he has metamorphosed from the gombeen minister that oversaw the Household charges and Water charges fiascos (the Water charge debacle was the single greatest waste of public money in the history of the state) into some whizz kid international negotiator that the World can’t live without. FFS. He was dispatched at the earliest possible moment to the EU retirement home, on a nice jolly to lead him nicely into retirement while playing golf free gratis on the finest golf courses across the EU. He certainly has a good PR machine (including Jim O’Callaghan) putting out the batsh1t crazy idea that we need him there and lord knows what everlasting disasters may befall us should he be forced out.


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  • #3157
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    do people seriously think that he has metamorphosed from the gombeen minister that oversaw the Household charges and Water charges fiascos (the Water charge debacle was the single greatest waste of public money in the history of the state) into some whizz kid international negotiator that the World can’t live without.

    Great line! :D

    But he is our better and a member of the elite. We cant live without him!!


  • #3158
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    elperello wrote: »
    I agree with you that the revolving door system needs more scrutiny but you are jumping the gun calling for Hayes's "resignation" based on rumour.

    Maybe but it's well known he lobbies for Vultures.


  • #3159
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,265 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    stockshares wrote: »
    Maybe but it's well known he lobbies for Vultures.

    Of course he is a "hired gun".

    If they were his guests at the dinner it will come out.


  • #3160
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Hayes spent years working for the banks whilst in power against the will of the irish electorate. In a weird way i respect him for fooling so many for so long and then landing the big pay day job without much fuss or media coverage.


  • #3161
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    stockshares wrote: »
    Brian Hayes needs to go to. Rumours that his guests were from from Vulture Fund Promontoria.

    https://twitter.com/1paulmcel/status/1298368214825672710?s=19




    Kinda separate but i will mention.
    I was talking to an EA about these vulture funds buying up whole developments around the beginning of year when apartments at Liffey Valley were sold. I said i was unhappy with this and generally was interested in what his opinion was.
    He said "you dont know the half of it and your better off not knowing"


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  • #3162
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Hayes spent years working for the banks whilst in power against the will of the irish electorate. In a weird way i respect him for fooling so many for so long and then landing the big pay day job without much fuss or media coverage.

    Would this electorate be the same one that repeatedly voted him into the Dail, Seanad and European Parliament?


  • #3163
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Allinall wrote: »
    Would this electorate be the same one that repeatedly voted him into the Dail, Seanad and European Parliament?

    Was Hayes elected to the Seanad or nominated? ;)


  • #3164
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    Was Hayes elected to the Seanad or nominated? ;)

    Nominated first time.

    Elected ( no idea by which body) the second time.


  • #3165
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Allinall wrote: »
    Nominated first time.

    Elected ( no idea by which body) the second time.

    cultural and educational panel. so basically elected by his party's TDs and county councilors.


  • #3166
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    The people had the opportunity to abolish the Senate and decided not to. Many of the political parties who wanted it to be abolished were quick to jump back in there when Dail seats were lost


  • #3167
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Edgware wrote: »
    The people had the opportunity to abolish the Senate and decided not to. Many of the political parties who wanted it to be abolished were quick to jump back in there when Dail seats were lost

    I seem to recall there was supposed to be reform of the Seanad as promised by a party currently in govt.

    The problem is not that the Seanad exists - it is there to provide oversight of the Dáil and scrutinise legislation which no one can deny is fairly important - the problem is it is used as a way station for failed G.E candidates and politicians have too much control over who becomes a senator.

    This person voted to keep it because I believe proposed legislation needs to be challenged and scrutinised outside the confines of the Dáil. I await FG carrying out the promised reforms and stop kicking the can down the road- enacting the 7th Amendment as voted on in 1979 would be a good place to start. It is beyond ridiculous that successive governments can simply ignore the results of a referendum for over 40 years.


  • #3168
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I seem to recall there was supposed to be reform of the Seanad as promised by a party currently in govt.

    The problem is not that the Seanad exists - it is there to provide oversight of the Dáil and scrutinise legislation which no one can deny is fairly important - the problem is it is used as a way station for failed G.E candidates and politicians have too much control over who becomes a senator.

    This person voted to keep it because I believe proposed legislation needs to be challenged and scrutinised outside the confines of the Dáil. I await FG carrying out the promised reforms and stop kicking the can down the road- enacting the 7th Amendment as voted on in 1979 would be a good place to start. It is beyond ridiculous that successive governments can simply ignore the results of a referendum for over 40 years.

    Great post.

    I believe FFG plan to commission another report on Seanad reform...;)


  • #3169
    Oops!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Oops!


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    Great post.

    I believe FFG plan to commission another report on Seanad reform...;)

    And the circle continues....


  • #3170
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    stockshares wrote: »
    Yes but Hogan must go first. Once he is gone the Domino effect brings them all down right down to the gombeen councillors who are actually the closest to everyday people and should have shown solidarity and not gone to Galway.

    That's wishful thinking. If Danzy is wrong, and Hogan does end up going, that will be the end of it. In an ideal world, post covid, Leo and Micheal would insist on an inquiry to look at some of the shady practices that have come to light during this pandemic, but that won't happen.


  • #3171
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Shane Phelan wrote in an article in today's Indo that it would be very difficult for Séamus Woulfe to resume works as a barrister because the Bar Council's code of conduct precludes retired judges from practising in a court equal to or less than the one in which they presided.

    Harry Whelehan was granted an exemption after he resigned as a judge two days into his tenure. So I don't see how the Bar Council would not also grant Woulfe an exemption if he resigns as a judge. Whelehan never got the opportunity to adjudicate on a case and, as far as I know, Woulfe hasn't had the opportunity to do so either. Therefore, I don't think the reason mentioned (concerning the case of Sir James O'Connor in 1930) on the third page of the following document, which is the judgement on the challenge taken by former judge Barry White, applies in Woulfe's case.

    https://scoirl.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/white-v-bar-council-220716-delivered-judgment.pdf


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  • #3172
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I see an article in the Examiner where MM said "I think he has undermined the whole approach to public health in Ireland"
    I wonder has he forgotton that the cause of all of this was the Oireachtas golf dinner and most peope who attended were politicians or important friends of politicians.There were quite a few from the party he leads. Is he saying once Hogan sorted out its history.
    I think it likely change the political landscape forever, it was always us v them and now have confirmed they are all in together except SF. They have proved to be totally inept except there was a bit of chattering last night but only after Hogan went on TV...


  • #3173
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    https://twitter.com/nb_12_21/status/1298624639732781062?s=19


  • #3174
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1298684829723168768?s=20


  • #3175
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    At this stage the barman who was working that night is the last man standing:) :)


  • #3176
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Danzy wrote: »

    I'll give a 100 quid to a charity and put the receipt up if he is gone.

    There was enough a few days ago if they wanted to hold him to account. Going through the process is all that is happening now.

    It's not even subtle.

    If you believe that there is even a 1% chance he'll go then there is nothing to do but let you at it.

    Think you need to step up to the plate now Danzy. Instead of a charity I recommend sending a €100 One4all voucher with a thank you card to Ursula von der Leyen, Brussels.


  • #3177
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Confirmed
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0826/1161515-hogan/


  • #3178
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    The rest of the Clifden crowd will be pooing themselves now.
    If an EU Commisioner can go to the wall, what chance do those piss-ants have?


  • #3179
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • #3180
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    the purple tin wrote: »
    The rest of the Clifden crowd will be pooing themselves now.
    If an EU Commisioner can go to the wall, what chance do those piss-ants have?
    Most of those who might have been in the spotlight have already gone. It doesn't look like there's too much left in the story now.


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  • #3181
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Ha, ha. Delighted.

    Pick a good Irish cause Danzy.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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