2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

namloc1980 wrote: »

What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he. Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

Bush Snr was the last time of big riots. His AG sorted it out, helped him get re-elected too, wonder what happened that lad .

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Yes and that's a bad thing. But at least the Republican national leadership has shown their disapproval of them by dropping that speaker.

As regards Trump in that clip where he was asked about QAnon, it's perfectly obvious that Trump hadn't the foggiest idea what QAnon was. Yet, Trump is happy to say nice things about almost anybody who says nice things about him.

Except

'HONORED' Trump invites QAnon-supporting Republican candidate Marjorie Taylor Greene to the White House for his RNC speech.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Bush Snr was a one term President.

must have been his AGs fault then, funny how history (hopefully) repeats itself.

extra gravy wrote: »

But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.

Yes! Because they are women from minority backgrounds who have led highly successful lives and turn around and call their country systemically racist!

Ilhan Omar was born in MOGADISHU, SOMALIA. A total hell hole of a country in perpetual civil war and she is now a sitting in the US Congress. Yet she has the temerity to call America institutionally racist.

AOC literally went from serving drinks in a bar to serving in the US Congress and she calls America a place were women and minorities can't get ahead.

Republicans despise them because they are the most ungrateful people on planet earth.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

People like Corey Booker, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Tamika Mallory and Linda Sarsour (who the Biden campaign distanced themselves from after her speech and then promptly apologised for doing so).

Not to be obtuse, genuine ask: can you walk me through what antisemitic things each has said? I know Omar and/or Tlaib have been pilloried before, with comments about Israel, but I hardly find that to be as antisemitic as many of the things one ordinarily associates with Antisemitism. It's one thing to criticize the policies of Israel, another to lament "the Jew run media" etc.

He doesn't need to stay there in order to boost his chances, but he does need to be disciplined. Polls have continually shown that when people hear from him less or when he stays on teleprompter, or when he's abroad, not only does his unfavorability decrease but his favourability actually increases. This is why his most well received speeches have consistently been foreign policy speeches given abroad. Because Trump is less ensconced in the personality-politics of Twitter when he gives these speeches.

I agree and I have been saying so since 2016 but Trump is Trump, and will be Trump. He never grew into the whole 'be presidential' thing, like he teased he would do after securing the election. And it would have been the easiest thing for him to do, just read the lines, act stoic, and feck off to golf, his approval would have been 10-15 points higher I would think.

Sooo??
She was governor of SC for six years before becoming UN ambassador and she was succeeded by her own handpicked lt. governor. It wasn't like she just abandoned her state.

Her handpicked Lt Gov (Henry McMaster) vetoed emergency funds passed by the legislature to replace schoolbusses that were literally catching themselves on fire while being driven around with children in them. He's not been a total disaster, I admit, but he's not not a piece of **** either. He's actually a decent governor when it comes to doing crisis management, except, you know, the crisis of putting schoolkids in the way of imminent danger. And his first pick for acting Lt Gov. (Kevin Bryant) was a disaster, pro-life alt right nutjob that ended up running against him. Now he's back in the private sector running some small local business, I'm frankly just glad I don't have to address another one of his conspiracy theories about planned parenthood or migrant caravans.

This seems to be a favourite tactic among some people. Accuse the person of various forms of misbehaviour (without evidence) as a substitute for an actual argument against their position.

In a way yes I'm playing the ball. It is what Republicans do, and I expect them to take it how they serve it. I do have evidence for what I said though.

Haley was born to Indian immigrants and grew up in the Deep South and managed to become governor of South Carolina and we're supposed to believe this is a deeply racist country?

Shifting the goalpost a bit there aren't we. You can simultaneously elect a minority governor and have problems of racism.

Wow, he's a black Republican, therefore he's a token. How racist. Yes, I'm sure all the racist hicks in South Carolina elected a black man to the Senate because they wanted a token.

That's not a fair characterization, ultimately it was Scott's compunction to run and join the Republican ideology. However, Republicans clearly have hoisted him to undue prominence because of his particulars. If you look at who else joined the Senate Republicans in 2013 it was him, Ted Cruz (also minority particulars) and - Deb Fischer, who nobody talks about. The only person with minority creds iirc that is more senior in the senate republicans is Marco Rubio.

It's not racist, it's just a fact that they have catapulted Tim Scott to the forefront of their party brand. And it's no wonder: peruse yourself the long historical list of all Black Americans who have served in our Congress, you'll note surely that one party in particular seems to dominate the enfranchisement of Black Americans:

https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Black-American-Representatives-and-Senators-by-Congress/

Irishman80 wrote: »

Last two polls conducted this month have the race at 47-47 and 51-49 (Biden). It's a dead heat now.

Which two polls? Are they the only two polls which have been conducted?


The Trafalgar Group doesn't seem to be a particularly prominent or well rated poll, if that's what you're putting your stock in.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/upshot/a-2016-review-why-key-state-polls-were-wrong-about-trump.html

Trump received less votes in Wisconsin than Mitt Romney did in 2012.
Romney lost the state.
Trump won it.

Not your fault but NYT paywalls even its archived articles so I cannot access that. This is why I loathe NYT, at least WaPo leaves some **** free.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why should they be grateful? They enjoyed success because they worked for it. They didn't have the luxury of being born into wealthy white families.

And if America were as sexist and as racist as they claim it is on a daily basis, they wouldn't have succeeded no matter how hard they worked.

Surely that's something to be grateful for.

Tim Scott and Nicki Haley were elected as an African-American Senator and an Indian-American governor by the state that started the Civil War. Both of them have encountered discrimination in their lives and have enough humility to recognise their success would not have been possible in a nation that despised them for their colour as AOC and Omar believe.

namloc1980 wrote: »

What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he.

You realise the US has a federal system?
Trump can't do anything about the fact that California is driving people away in droves with exorbitant taxes and turning San Francisco into "tent city" by allowing mentally ill hobos to camp and shoot up heroin wherever they like.
Trump can't control policing in America's major cities all of which are Democrat run.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

The Ferguson riots happened under Obama's watch. The riots never became widespread because Obama was very good at placating the BLM radicals with despicable demagoguery. Such as when he said "Trayvon Martin could have been my son." and in the UN speech where he talked about American racism and a "little town called Ferguson" where Michael Brown was supposedly shot while saying "hands up, don't shoot!" A complete fabrication.

Obama's own DOJ found the Michael Brown shooting was completely justified yet Democrats to this day maintain the Ferguson lie.
Polls have shown Americans were significantly less optimistic about race relations after Obama's presidency than before it.

A Republican president is the only excuse Democrats need to start tearing cities up.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

And if America were as sexist and as racist as they claim it is on a daily basis

Can you cite some examples? Daily examples? How bad are they painting it, really?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Fantastic video from the RNC today where President Trump pardons Jon Ponder (a great man who has turned his life around as well as many others). The moment he was (unexpectedly) pardoned is very, very heartwarming. I highly recommend a viewing.

Yeah and breaking the law in the form of the Hatch Act in the process. I presume you are ok with the flagrant breaches of the law that are being committed at the RNC?

If Obama had done that at a politician convention you and all the Republicans would have blown a gasket. FFS the Republicans lost their minds when Obama had the temerity to wear a tan coloured suit.

Irishman80 wrote: »

You're asking me for polls which show that the riots happening now in Wisconsin are damaging to Biden.

That's impossible to provide because the polls haven't been conducted yet. Past polls don't include updated voter information. Only future polls will show that.

But we can get an idea of future trend from Minnesota polls - which show a trend towards Trump after the BLM riots there.

You just don't want to recognise why these riots are becoming a negative for the Democrats and Biden now - and that's completely your choice.

I wasn't saying I was recognising anything, assertions come from fact...

So after claiming...

Wisconsin is back in play from been essentially locked down by Biden.

You're admitting you've absolutely nothing to back up this assertion.

So it's just bull, glad we can put this matter to bed