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neighbour using our downpipe

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  • #62
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Melted wrote: »
    I am actually looking for something like this to solve an unrelated issue I am having, can you tell me the name of this contraption so I can research it?

    Thanks!

    100L Butt in Woodies: https://www.woodies.ie/100-litre-water-butt-set-1081507
    They do a 220L version also which I'd recommend over the 100L.
    Easy to fit.


  • #63
    BabySlam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭BabySlam


    I suggest you get an engineer to have a look and tell you exactly what the issue is and possible solutions.


  • #64
    jacko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭jacko


    This is a bad situation to be in and I feel sorry for you. You are saying that your neighbours are not amenable and it seems like you are afraid to confront them on what appears to be an obvious underhanded move by them.

    Forgive me if this sounds a bit harsh, but people like that are going to continue to be like that until people like you stand up for yourselves and sort out this mess. This has already cost you money and will continue to cost you a lot lot more.

    Have you even discussed this situation with your neighbours yet? Not sure why you can't just let them know that you've already paid to get gutters cleaned/checked etc. and that the problem is they aren't disposing of their own water on their own property as was the original layout and that it will continue to cost you because of their alteration.

    Let us know how you get on in your discussion with the neighbours, I hope you can all come to an amicable outcome and that they will take measures to deal with their own water. (To be honest - I wouldn't be in favor of anything apart from them reinstating a downpipe on their side, from reading the thread that's probably not going to happen)

    Best of luck.


  • #65
    dixiefly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Tell your neighbor that you're dealing with the water from your own roof overflowing, thinking of putting in a new gutter slightly higher than original to catch any overshoot and putting a stopper where the boundary line is.
    That may stir him to deal with his problem of what to do with the water off of his roof then.

    I think something on these lines along with advice from an engineer or similar person with expertise in this.

    Perhaps mention it during a rain event so that he will see the effects it has on you.

    I don't think you should let it rest as it will continue to annoy you.


  • #66
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    jacko wrote: »
    This is a bad situation to be in and I feel sorry for you. You are saying that your neighbours are not amenable and it seems like you are afraid to confront them on what appears to be an obvious underhanded move by them.

    Forgive me if this sounds a bit harsh, but people like that are going to continue to be like that until people like you stand up for yourselves and sort out this mess. This has already cost you money and will continue to cost you a lot lot more.

    Have you even discussed this situation with your neighbours yet? Not sure why you can't just let them know that you've already paid to get gutters cleaned/checked etc. and that the problem is they aren't disposing of their own water on their own property as was the original layout and that it will continue to cost you because of their alteration.

    Let us know how you get on in your discussion with the neighbours, I hope you can all come to an amicable outcome and that they will take measures to deal with their own water. (To be honest - I wouldn't be in favor of anything apart from them reinstating a downpipe on their side, from reading the thread that's probably not going to happen)

    Best of luck.

    The problem with the above is that a regular downpipe should be well able to manage the flow from two normal sized properties in very heavy rain.
    We are unable to see photos of the gutter, pipe and drain at the OPs property but I don't believe that it is because the neighbour removed the pipe on their side.
    If the OP was to "stand up" to the neighbour and accuse them of causing a financial cost on the OP then the OP will need to be sure that it actually the case.


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  • #67
    jacko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭jacko


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    The problem with the above is that a regular downpipe should be well able to manage the flow from two normal sized properties in very heavy rain.
    We are unable to see photos of the gutter, pipe and drain at the OPs property but I don't believe that it is because the neighbour removed the pipe on their side.
    If the OP was to "stand up" to the neighbour and accuse them of causing a financial cost on the OP then the OP will need to be sure that it actually the case.

    Well, to me the fact the OPs downpipe cant handle the excess water is just a symptom or the actual problem. The OP has already stated that the neighbour has covered up their own drain from their own downpipe in the conservatory. The landscaper has suggested the OP is taking care of more water than they need to be and the other houses owned by friendly neighbours all have downpipes for their own houses. I havent seen any photos either, I can only go by whats been said in the thread.

    So the only solution you see then is for the OP to spend yet more money to try and fix the issue of excess water due to the neighbours potential alterations?

    I'd much rather that the neighbours be made accountable for any alterations they have made (that is of course assuming they did) and remedy that first at their expense. Then after that is resolved if the OP is still having issues with their own water then pay to remedy that. I dont see any rationale for the OP to have to spend more money to try and alleviate an issue which is presumably/potentially caused by their neighbours.


  • #68
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    jacko wrote: »
    So the only solution you see then is for the OP to spend yet more money to try and fix the issue of excess water due to the neighbours potential alterations?
    erm, I never mentioned them spending a penny!
    In fact what I had suggested was politely declined - that is to post some pics of the pipe, etc. What would be even better given today's storm, would be for the OP to take a video of the issue. No need to identify the properties.
    Without that, all I can go on is the information we have been given and comparing it to my own semi-d which takes the water off both mine and my neighbours roofs without any problems.


  • #69
    jacko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭jacko


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    erm, I never mentioned them spending a penny!
    In fact what I had suggested was politely declined - that is to post some pics of the pipe, etc. What would be even better given today's storm, would be for the OP to take a video of the issue. No need to identify the properties.
    Without that, all I can go on is the information we have been given and comparing it to my own semi-d which takes the water off both mine and my neighbours roofs without any problems.

    Ah, but you did say that the eaves/pipe aren't functioning correctly which would infer the OP spend money to resolve it and in essence pay for the neighbors transgression. Why not get neighbour to fix the issue they apparently caused if they did alter original downpipe and then if needs be the OP can spend money on their own issue if it still exists. Anyway that's neither here nor there. The issue is with the single downpipe in OPs side, if the neighbors should have one too they should be asked to reinstate


  • #70
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    jacko wrote: »
    Ah, but you did say that the eaves/pipe aren't functioning correctly
    Maybe you can point out where I said that because when I read back through the five posts in this thread that I made, none of them say that.
    jacko wrote: »
    which would infer the OP spend money to resolve it and in essence pay for the neighbors transgression. Why not get neighbour to fix the issue they apparently caused if they did alter original downpipe and then if needs be the OP can spend money on their own issue if it still exists. Anyway that's neither here nor there. The issue is with the single downpipe in OPs side, if the neighbors should have one too they should be asked to reinstate
    I did mention how after eighteen years, it is a bit much to expect the neighbour to turn around and be happy to make a change.
    However, as I mentioned, a single standard pipe should be well able to cope. Whilst a second pipe would be desirable, there's no evidence to us so far that it is essential to prevent flow issues.
    You're of the view that the OP should head to them next door and start making demands without knowing exactly what the specific issue is and the OP won't take the easy route and provide us with images that may help resolve the whole situation.
    To my knowledge, what we know is that the OP reckons that their pipe "doesn't seem able to cope with the amount of water" but has not told us in what way it can't cope.
    The gutter is overflowing onto the patio (we don't know exactly how or where). One possible cause of this is that it is sagging and has nothing to do with the neighbour. Another reason is that it may be leaking badly at a join. Both of which are reasonably cheap and easy DIY fixes.
    We don't know if the leak is where the downpipe is or whether it is elsewhere along the gutter.
    However, you know that the OP should head next door and tell them what to do (even if it won't actually sort the problem).


  • #71
    Dublinstiofán
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭Dublinstiofán


    Melted wrote: »
    I am actually looking for something like this to solve an unrelated issue I am having, can you tell me the name of this contraption so I can research it?

    Thanks!

    Loads of different manufacturers just google water butt 250l


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  • #72
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I am almost 100% certain what i told you is the problem.
    Call the guy did your guttering and show him the post.
    The guttering is too far in and the water not going into gutter, going over top...


  • #73
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Maybe you can point out where I said that because when I read back through the five posts in this thread that I made, none of them say that.


    I did mention how after eighteen years, it is a bit much to expect the neighbour to turn around and be happy to make a change.
    However, as I mentioned, a single standard pipe should be well able to cope. Whilst a second pipe would be desirable, there's no evidence to us so far that it is essential to prevent flow issues.
    You're of the view that the OP should head to them next door and start making demands without knowing exactly what the specific issue is and the OP won't take the easy route and provide us with images that may help resolve the whole situation.
    To my knowledge, what we know is that the OP reckons that their pipe "doesn't seem able to cope with the amount of water" but has not told us in what way it can't cope.
    The gutter is overflowing onto the patio (we don't know exactly how or where). One possible cause of this is that it is sagging and has nothing to do with the neighbour. Another reason is that it may be leaking badly at a join. Both of which are reasonably cheap and easy DIY fixes.
    We don't know if the leak is where the downpipe is or whether it is elsewhere along the gutter.
    However, you know that the OP should head next door and tell them what to do (even if it won't actually sort the problem).

    Thank you for your replies and questions.
    I have already explained about posting pictures .
    My problem is the gutter overshoots or overflows from the top when there is a downpour. It has been cleaned out , checked and fixed by a person that specialises in new gutters and maintenance , and by the landscaper , both of whom are great tradesmen and have done a lot if good work for us for years.
    It is neither sagging nor leaking at the joints and I cannot understand what else I can say to explain this .
    The flow and drainage works perfectly without a deluge so it just can't cope with the extra.
    I suppose it probably should be able to take more , I don't know , but I won't be spending any money on it without talking to my neighbours first .
    Thanks again , goodnight .


  • #74
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I am almost 100% certain what i told you is the problem.
    Call the guy did your guttering and show him the post.
    The guttering is too far in and the water not going into gutter, going over top...

    Thanks .
    I have asked him to come back as even if it's not that I will be able to say we have checked it all out .
    Or it might be the fix !


  • #75
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,693 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Thank you for your replies and questions.
    I have already explained about posting pictures .
    My problem is the gutter overshoots or overflows from the top when there is a downpour. It has been cleaned out , checked and fixed by a person that specialises in new gutters and maintenance , and by the landscaper , both of whom are great tradesmen and have done a lot if good work for us for years.
    It is neither sagging nor leaking at the joints and I cannot understand what else I can say to explain this .
    The flow and drainage works perfectly without a deluge so it just can't cope with the extra.
    I suppose it probably should be able to take more , I don't know , but I won't be spending any money on it without talking to my neighbours first .
    Thanks again , goodnight .

    Once those issues have been ruled out then it's probably the gutters too low , too narrow or overhang of slats is too much. .
    What kind of gutter is it. Slats or tiles
    Is there a Bellcast
    Can you see the ends if the slats/tiles from the ground


  • #76
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Once those issues have been ruled out then it's probably the gutters too low , too narrow or overhang of slats is too much. .
    What kind of gutter is it. Slats or tiles
    Is there a Bellcast
    Can you see the ends if the slats/tiles from the ground

    No, can't see ends of slats from the ground . Got up on a ladder 😲 and all looks ok .
    Just a plastic PVC gutter same as rest of house .
    One thing I did notice is a slight indentation where pipe meets gutter and at the bottom the downpipe is about 2 cm out to accomodate new paving .
    Landscaper said he'd come back this week to check it for me . So will hold off calling back the gutter guy.
    Will let ye know what the upshot of that is .
    Am uploading 2 pics which are the top and bottom but nothing of neighbour's.
    Going to try to sort this from our end first .


  • #77
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Once those issues have been ruled out then it's probably the gutters too low , too narrow or overhang of slats is too much. .
    What kind of gutter is it. Slats or tiles
    Is there a Bellcast
    Can you see the ends if the slats/tiles from the ground

    No, can't see ends of slats from the ground . Got up on a ladder 😲 and all looks ok .
    Just a plastic PVC gutter same as rest of house .
    One thing I did notice is a slight indentation where pipe meets gutter and at the bottom the downpipe is about 2 cm out to accomodate new paving .
    Landscaper said he'd come back this week to check it for me . So will hold off calling back the gutter guy.
    Will let ye know what the upshot of that is .
    Am uploading 2 pics which are the top and bottom but nothing of neighbour's.
    Going to try to sort this from our end first .


  • #78
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Excuse the paintwork , trying to see if a different colour plinth would be nice ;)
    Edit .pic won't go up


  • #79
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No, can't see ends of slats from the ground . Got up on a ladder 😲 and all looks ok .
    Just a plastic PVC gutter same as rest of house .
    One thing I did notice is a slight indentation where pipe meets gutter and at the bottom the downpipe is about 2 cm out to accomodate new paving .
    Landscaper said he'd come back this week to check it for me . So will hold off calling back the gutter guy.
    Will let ye know what the upshot of that is .
    Am uploading 2 pics which are the top and bottom but nothing of neighbour's.
    Going to try to sort this from our end first .

    Everytime I try to put a pic up it says oops file is too large , but they are only jpegs...help!


  • #80
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Everytime I try to put a pic up it says oops file is too large , but they are only jpegs...help!

    Top




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  • #81
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I sent you a PM but it looks like you're managing to load the images yourself. icon14.png

    Anyhow, where exactly in that image does the water spill over/out?


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  • #82
    banie01
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    From the description of the issue, I'd tend to agree with maestroamado's diagnosis.
    The overhang of the tile may be too far over the gutter and roof runoff is overshooting the gutter.

    The pic does help, but a view from the gable of the overhang would make it far easier to diagnose.


  • #83
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I sent you a PM but it looks like you're managing to load the images yourself. icon14.png

    Anyhow, where exactly in that image does the water spill over/out?

    On the right hand side of the gutter , next to the downpipe entrance .


  • #84
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    banie01 wrote: »
    From the description of the issue, I'd tend to agree with maestroamado's diagnosis.
    The overhang of the tile may be too far over the gutter and roof runoff is overshooting the gutter.

    The pic does help, but a view from the gable of the overhang would make it far easier to diagnose.

    Sorry that's as high as I could get to take a photo without falling off .


  • #85
    lalababa
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    Hard to judge from that pic but gutter looks too close into wall causing water from roof to overshoot.


  • #86
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Sorry that's as high as I could get to take a photo without falling off .

    Bottom of downpipe


  • #87
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Bottom of downpipe
    What happens here that shouldn't?


  • #88
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Christ you folks love to overcomplicate stuff.

    Op, block the gutter so the neighbors doesnt flow into your bit, if that resolves the issue then you know its the neighbours that are causing it, if it doesn't then it isn't them.

    Once you have that info yo can then decide what to do.


  • #89
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,020 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    What happens here that shouldn't?

    Nothing . Was just asked to show .


  • #90
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,909 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Can you give us the rough size of area that is draining to your down pipe.
    If so, i will tell you what downpipe size it should have according to Building Regs


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  • #91
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Top




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    On looking at roof pic it is almost certainly what i suggested.
    The valley of the roof tile needs to be inside of the gutter and yours is not.
    The gutter guy will sort it, it be relative simple for these guys.
    I think you said you had guttering fitted recently and this may be what caused the problem, it looks kinda new...


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