2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

26-08-2020 11:37AM

Irishman80 wrote: »

I'm not arguing about protests. The issue is rioting and looting.

Trump is inflaming the issue. He is leaning into the Culture War which is a good position to take politically.

Polling also indicates majority support for sending in the National Guard and even the army to quash the riots. 49% of Democrats said they'd support the army been deployed to US cities.

While I'm finding a slightly higher level of support for sending in troops. Trump's handling of it tends to be viewed negatively. Also overall support of BLM has increased.

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 11:38AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The thing is violence has largely been a minor aspect that has been over egged. The biggest outbreaks was when Trump sent in the troops and actively inflamed the situation. Support for them has surged.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/support-for-black-lives-matter-surged-during-protests-but-is-waning-among-white-americans/

This link actually backs up my viewpoint. After an initial surge, support is falling back to previous levels with White Americans.

I expect that to continue if BLM protests become increasingly linked to riots and looting.

dwayneshintzy · 26-08-2020 11:38AM

Irishman80 wrote: »

I'm not arguing about protests. The issue is rioting and looting.

Trump is inflaming the issue. He is leaning into the Culture War which is a good position to take politically.

Polling also indicates majority support for sending in the National Guard and even the army to quash the riots. 49% of Democrats said they'd support the army been deployed to US cities.

Have you a link for this please?

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 11:41AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

While I'm finding a slightly higher level of support for sending in troops. Trump's handling of it tends to be viewed negatively. Also overall support of BLM has increased.

Sending in the army would be the worst thing Trump could do. All the death would be on his hands.

Someone is giving him decent advice in the background.

Carfacemandog · 26-08-2020 11:44AM

jamule wrote: »

are you afraid to tell us? do they not list them in the manual?

I would also be interested to know, and hope Biker79can do so without plagiarising.

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 11:48AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Have you a link for this please?

https://theweek.com/speedreads/917760/plurality-democrats-support-calling-military-aid-police-during-protests-poll-shows

It was 48%.

Penn · 26-08-2020 11:52AM

Irishman80 wrote: »

Sending in the army would be the worst thing Trump could do.

He sent in unidentified federal agents. That's not much better.

namloc1980 · 26-08-2020 12:06PM

Irishman80 wrote: »

Sending in the army would be the worst thing Trump could do. All the death would be on his hands.

Someone is giving him decent advice in the background.

He sent in unidentified federal goons who snatched people off the streets and bundled them into unmarked vehicles, which inflamed things.

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 12:10PM

Penn wrote: »

He sent in unidentified federal agents. That's not much better.

It was a definitely a mistake. Why take responsibility for Democrat Mayors refusing to quell the riots in their own cities?

He made the correct call pulling them back out.

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 12:14PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

He sent in unidentified federal goons who snatched people off the streets and bundled them into unmarked vehicles, which inflamed things.

Portland was a mess before he sent them in. And it's even worse since he pulled them back out.

The correct political play was to sit back and leave the Democrat Mayors deal with it. If they ask for Fed assistance, give it to them. If the Democrat Mayors don't ask for assistance but fail to quell riots, they own the riots.

It's a pretty simple strategy but a winning one.

timsey tiger · 26-08-2020 12:32PM

Irishman80 wrote: »

It was a definitely a mistake. Why take responsibility for Democrat Mayors refusing to quell the riots in their own cities?

He made the correct call pulling them back out.

Because, he is the president of all the people, including those in cities with Democrat Mayors.

Chris_Heilong · 26-08-2020 12:38PM

Penn wrote: »

He sent in unidentified federal agents. That's not much better.

More left wing conspiracy theories again, there is so much of it on this thread but an army of posters that are so ready to believe them, the agents had identification on their clothing that identified them as Law Enforcement. This went to court in the US and was thrown out as the judge said it was clearly visible. Bad Picture but even at that you can see the word POLICE in big yellow text.
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The riots were completely out of control in Portland and the Antifa loving Mayor was not doing anything to stop them, basically lying to the public saying they were peaceful protests, there is literally a montage of left wing news reporters saying peaceful protests while buildings are on fire behind them, Trump only sent in the Feds when federal buildings where being attacked. I would say the businesses that where smashed and burned by the "peaceful protests" will never support a side which so blatantly lie, deceive and want everyone to be racial identiterians, I can see why Neo Nazi leader Richard Spenser is supporting Biden, the Democrats want many of the same things as him.

Podge_irl · 26-08-2020 01:33PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

More left wing conspiracy theories again, there is so much of it on this thread but an army of posters that are so ready to believe them, the agents had identification on their clothing that identified them as Law Enforcement. This went to court in the US and was thrown out as the judge said it was clearly visible. Bad Picture but even at that you can see the word POLICE in big yellow text.

Having a patch saying "Police" does not make you identifiable.

There is a reason police badges have names on them.

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:36PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

So a strong independent woman comes out in favor of Trump (and we certainly need more strong women) yet straight away the slut shaming and commenting on her appearance starts, shameful.

Well you invoked her as a classy act. You don’t get to pretend like all the remarks you quoted were unsolicited.

OMM 0000 · 26-08-2020 01:37PM

Has Biden criticised the violent BLM rioters yet?

I don't understand why the Democrats refuse to admit there are tons of violent rioters in the US right now.

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:37PM

Biker79 wrote: »

The fact that you ask speaks for itself.

*dodge*

mcmoustache · 26-08-2020 01:38PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

More left wing conspiracy theories again, there is so much of it on this thread but an army of posters that are so ready to believe them, the agents had identification on their clothing that identified them as Law Enforcement. This went to court in the US and was thrown out as the judge said it was clearly visible. Bad Picture but even at that you can see the word POLICE in big yellow text.

The riots were completely out of control in Portland and the Antifa loving Mayor was not doing anything to stop them, basically lying to the public saying they were peaceful protests, there is literally a montage of left wing news reporters saying peaceful protests while buildings are on fire behind them, Trump only sent in the Feds when federal buildings where being attacked. I would say the businesses that where smashed and burned by the "peaceful protests" will never support a side which so blatantly lie, deceive and want everyone to be racial identiterians, I can see why Neo Nazi leader Richard Spenser is supporting Biden, the Democrats want many of the same things as him.

You'd have a point if that was the only incident and only type of garb used.

Biker79 · 26-08-2020 01:40PM

Overheal wrote: »

*dodge*

* beneath my dignity *

mcmoustache · 26-08-2020 01:40PM

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Has Biden criticised the violent BLM rioters yet?

I don't understand why the Democrats refuse to admit there are tons of violent rioters in the US right now.

From last night or 13 hours ago.

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salmocab · 26-08-2020 01:42PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

From last night or 13 hours ago.

Nobody cares about your facts

namloc1980 · 26-08-2020 01:42PM

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Has Biden criticised the violent BLM rioters yet?

I don't understand why the Democrats refuse to admit there are tons of violent rioters in the US right now.

Multiple times over the last few months he has criticised the violence. As have all senior democrats. Making up a scenario in your head that they are refusing to acknowledge and criticisie the violence is very Trumpian of you.

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:43PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Strangely I don’t remember mass protests under Obama’s watch.

There were but they were largely nonviolent.

randd1 · 26-08-2020 01:46PM

Overheal wrote: »

There were but they were largely nonviolent.

What was the difference?

Did Obama try to reason with protesters rather than inflate tensions or something? Can't see it happening seeing as Obama is behind everything.

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:47PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Indeed let's see (quoted so we can come back to this). Once again just to remind you the Republicans control the state assembly in Wisconsin.

And had the governors office before 2019.

Kidchameleon · 26-08-2020 01:50PM

Overheal wrote: »

Well you invoked her as a classy act. You don’t get to pretend like all the remarks you quoted were unsolicited.

I think its hypocritical that I was aparently "slut shaming" when I highlighted Kamala was given two jobs she was not qualified for by a "boyfriend" 30 years her senior yet the same people are saying it re. Kimberly. You either respect women or you dont. Anyway I think the point has been made, moving along...

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:51PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

slow down on that Kool aid there, drinking it way too fast.

We only see you in this thread when you are in to bash brown people. So what are you drinking.

ohnonotgmail · 26-08-2020 01:53PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think its hypocritical that I was aparently "slut shaming" when I highlighted Kamala was given two jobs she was not qualified for by a "boyfriend" 30 years her senior yet the same people are saying it re. Kimberly. You either respect women or you dont. Anyway I think the point has been made, moving along...

she was appointed to one position. there is nothing to backup your assertion that she was not qualified for that position. she was a lawyer, she was more than qualified. i cant think of many professions better qualified to negotiate contracts.

Quin_Dub · 26-08-2020 01:55PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think its hypocritical that I was aparently "slut shaming" when I highlighted Kamala was given two jobs she was not qualified for by a "boyfriend" 30 years her senior yet the same people are saying it re. Kimberly. You either respect women or you dont. Anyway I think the point has been made, moving along...

Tell me , what was it that qualified Kimberly Guilfoyle for the role of Head of Campaign Finance for the Trump Campaign?

Does she have a track record of running a multi-million dollar fund-raising effort??

Does she have a background in finance?

Or was it that she's sleeping with Trumps son?

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:56PM

duploelabs wrote: »

The national guard was sent in to portland and the rioting increased

This.

Trump wants the feds in there to ratchet up the hostility, get his hate boner off for watching teargas fly and people get their skulls caved in by “less lethal” munitions.

Overheal · 26-08-2020 01:59PM

Biker79 wrote: »

* beneath my dignity *

What dignity? You have no dignity to back up your own assertions.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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